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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
December 19 2012 03:21 GMT
#141
I think that I've had too many beers... the ball just ain't going into the cup anymore... I must now retire to the safety of my home before I get raped. Good night.

to the one asking about blood color, if the zits are any indication, it's either white, red, orange or purple.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
December 19 2012 03:26 GMT
#142
On December 19 2012 11:10 Toadesstern wrote:
sup guys

I won't believe any claim Vivax does in the future if he happens to claim something at some point and I'd say we stick with it that way. Yeah millers should claim but claiming VT (read: as in the ROLE, not the alignment) is retarded. Looks awfully set-up. Not alignment indicating at all because he's either a mafia or a townie trying to achieve something like doding or catching a bullet through confusion.

Just saying, see you tomorrow.


I'd need to go through his previous games to see how I'd feel if he claimed but I'll deal with that if he claims in the future. Not sure how I feel about writing something like that off this early.

@vivax why claim vt so early? What are you hoping to achieve for the town by doing that?

@Mr Wiggles why the vote on wbg in the first few hours before we even know if he's seen the thread? Is there some joke or strategy related to wbg I don't know about?

Palmar if you've read the thread you'd see that millers are self-aware. What's the confusion about?
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
December 19 2012 04:16 GMT
#143
On December 19 2012 12:21 Eywa- wrote:
I think that I've had too many beers... the ball just ain't going into the cup anymore... I must now retire to the safety of my home before I get raped. Good night.

to the one asking about blood color, if the zits are any indication, it's either white, red, orange or purple.

Man, none of those colours sound very town-like to me. Do you have a family history of being scum?

On December 19 2012 12:26 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 11:10 Toadesstern wrote:
sup guys

I won't believe any claim Vivax does in the future if he happens to claim something at some point and I'd say we stick with it that way. Yeah millers should claim but claiming VT (read: as in the ROLE, not the alignment) is retarded. Looks awfully set-up. Not alignment indicating at all because he's either a mafia or a townie trying to achieve something like doding or catching a bullet through confusion.

Just saying, see you tomorrow.


I'd need to go through his previous games to see how I'd feel if he claimed but I'll deal with that if he claims in the future. Not sure how I feel about writing something like that off this early.

@vivax why claim vt so early? What are you hoping to achieve for the town by doing that?

@Mr Wiggles why the vote on wbg in the first few hours before we even know if he's seen the thread? Is there some joke or strategy related to wbg I don't know about?

Palmar if you've read the thread you'd see that millers are self-aware. What's the confusion about?

On December 17 2012 06:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
/in

Yay time to get lynched

On December 17 2012 08:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
/in

My last exam is on Tuesday.

Time to lynch WBG. (I'm also playing for fun!)

Also, why not vote WBG?

On December 19 2012 12:16 Morbidius wrote:
Oh boy its quiet in here.

What do you want to talk about?


For anyone who's played a lot with him before, does iamperfection always act so passive aggressively? Wondering if it's a personality trait, or he's acting unusually. I haven't played with half of you before, so get ready to answer lots of normal behaviour questions and get blown away by the complete lack of meta relating to anything I say. :p
you gotta dance
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 19 2012 04:29 GMT
#144
On December 19 2012 12:26 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 11:10 Toadesstern wrote:
sup guys

I won't believe any claim Vivax does in the future if he happens to claim something at some point and I'd say we stick with it that way. Yeah millers should claim but claiming VT (read: as in the ROLE, not the alignment) is retarded. Looks awfully set-up. Not alignment indicating at all because he's either a mafia or a townie trying to achieve something like doding or catching a bullet through confusion.

Just saying, see you tomorrow.


I'd need to go through his previous games to see how I'd feel if he claimed but I'll deal with that if he claims in the future. Not sure how I feel about writing something like that off this early.

@vivax why claim vt so early? What are you hoping to achieve for the town by doing that?

@Mr Wiggles why the vote on wbg in the first few hours before we even know if he's seen the thread? Is there some joke or strategy related to wbg I don't know about?

Palmar if you've read the thread you'd see that millers are self-aware. What's the confusion about?


##unvote
##vote stutters


You're questions to vivax and palmat have already been asked. You're question to wiggles has come way after and its obvious it was a random vote (I'm not sure whether wiggles mentioned it in pregame).

You sir are trying to look like you are contributing withiut actually doing so
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 19 2012 04:32 GMT
#145
Wiggles,

Please wait a while for meta reads on anyone. Don't want to give away any scumtells on meta now do we?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
December 19 2012 04:57 GMT
#146
On December 19 2012 13:29 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 12:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On December 19 2012 11:10 Toadesstern wrote:
sup guys

I won't believe any claim Vivax does in the future if he happens to claim something at some point and I'd say we stick with it that way. Yeah millers should claim but claiming VT (read: as in the ROLE, not the alignment) is retarded. Looks awfully set-up. Not alignment indicating at all because he's either a mafia or a townie trying to achieve something like doding or catching a bullet through confusion.

Just saying, see you tomorrow.


I'd need to go through his previous games to see how I'd feel if he claimed but I'll deal with that if he claims in the future. Not sure how I feel about writing something like that off this early.

@vivax why claim vt so early? What are you hoping to achieve for the town by doing that?

@Mr Wiggles why the vote on wbg in the first few hours before we even know if he's seen the thread? Is there some joke or strategy related to wbg I don't know about?

Palmar if you've read the thread you'd see that millers are self-aware. What's the confusion about?


##unvote
##vote stutters


You're questions to vivax and palmat have already been asked. You're question to wiggles has come way after and its obvious it was a random vote (I'm not sure whether wiggles mentioned it in pregame).

You sir are trying to look like you are contributing withiut actually doing so


Right, because in three posts you can tell exactly how much I'm contributing?

No one has asked Vivax why he posted it directly. The only thing even really related to it is a comment about a Kenpachi trap(whatever that is) and your vote and him responding with "maybe later." I can assume why he did that, but I want to hear what he says. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

The other two are my fault, posting from a phone is a bitch, much harder to double check when I post.

Let's talk about someone who hasn't been contributing through their posts though. Morbidius: If you think Yamato scumslipped, why haven't you said anything about it since calling it a scumslip? That's a pretty major accusation to throw out considering he's still the only miller. What changed, why aren't you pushing that at all?
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
December 19 2012 05:52 GMT
#147
On December 19 2012 13:57 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 13:29 debears wrote:
On December 19 2012 12:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On December 19 2012 11:10 Toadesstern wrote:
sup guys

I won't believe any claim Vivax does in the future if he happens to claim something at some point and I'd say we stick with it that way. Yeah millers should claim but claiming VT (read: as in the ROLE, not the alignment) is retarded. Looks awfully set-up. Not alignment indicating at all because he's either a mafia or a townie trying to achieve something like doding or catching a bullet through confusion.

Just saying, see you tomorrow.


I'd need to go through his previous games to see how I'd feel if he claimed but I'll deal with that if he claims in the future. Not sure how I feel about writing something like that off this early.

@vivax why claim vt so early? What are you hoping to achieve for the town by doing that?

@Mr Wiggles why the vote on wbg in the first few hours before we even know if he's seen the thread? Is there some joke or strategy related to wbg I don't know about?

Palmar if you've read the thread you'd see that millers are self-aware. What's the confusion about?


##unvote
##vote stutters


You're questions to vivax and palmat have already been asked. You're question to wiggles has come way after and its obvious it was a random vote (I'm not sure whether wiggles mentioned it in pregame).

You sir are trying to look like you are contributing withiut actually doing so


Right, because in three posts you can tell exactly how much I'm contributing?

No one has asked Vivax why he posted it directly. The only thing even really related to it is a comment about a Kenpachi trap(whatever that is) and your vote and him responding with "maybe later." I can assume why he did that, but I want to hear what he says. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

The other two are my fault, posting from a phone is a bitch, much harder to double check when I post.

Let's talk about someone who hasn't been contributing through their posts though. Morbidius: If you think Yamato scumslipped, why haven't you said anything about it since calling it a scumslip? That's a pretty major accusation to throw out considering he's still the only miller. What changed, why aren't you pushing that at all?

Was just trying to get a reaction from him and maybe get some discussion going. I don't think that was a scumslip nor do i have a case against him.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 19 2012 07:11 GMT
#148
Toad is scum, let's kill him, toad is scum, let's kill him, lalala la la laaaaaa

##vote Toadesstern

yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 19 2012 07:36 GMT
#149
I don't know, bugs, I'm leaning more towards sciberbia.
Writer@WriterYamato
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 19 2012 07:59 GMT
#150
On December 19 2012 16:36 yamato77 wrote:
I don't know, bugs, I'm leaning more towards sciberbia.


nope nothing scummy there
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 19 2012 08:13 GMT
#151
On December 19 2012 16:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 16:36 yamato77 wrote:
I don't know, bugs, I'm leaning more towards sciberbia.


nope nothing scummy there

That's pretty funny given your scum read has only posted once.
Writer@WriterYamato
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 19 2012 08:36 GMT
#152
frequency of posting is not correlated to scumminess.

In fact, if anything, it's inversely correlated.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 19 2012 09:20 GMT
#153
Actually that's not true. I don't think you can safely read anything into the frequency of posting, but if you really want to, I'd rather go with it being a point in the scummy column than the townie one if a player is posting less than expected.

Also what the fuck is up with this new TL town shit meta of defending everyone and everything for no bloody reason. What happened to only defending if you're certain you're right and just letting people fend for themselves?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 19 2012 09:41 GMT
#154
On December 19 2012 09:10 sciberbia wrote:
Hi everyone!

In the interest of getting discussion started, I'm going to argue why millers should claim on D1 in this setup:

We have either no millers or 1 miller, and the chance that we have a miller is roughly 40%.+ Show Spoiler +

C9++ specification: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9++

Keirathi said in the OP that he replaced innocent child with miller. So, we have a miller if Keir drew exactly 1 M or exactly 3 M's. He drew 7 letters and each has a 10% chance of being an M.

Chance of 1 M = (.1)^1 * (.9)^6 * (choose 1 from 7) = 37.20087%
Chance of 3 M = (.1)^3 * (.9)^4 * (choose 3 from 7) = 2.29635%

So overall, the chance that we have a miller is 39.49722%


Therefore, it would be a major risk for scum to fakeclaim miller. They'd have a 40% chance of being counterclaimed and subsequently lynched. Because it is such a big risk for a scum to take, I think we could have some faith in any D1 miller claim being an honest one.

Thoughts?


You forget that the counterclaim doesn't necessarily mean that the scum will get lynched right away, I dare say I'd take this chance as scum. If you manage to argue your way out of the day 1 lynch and get the real miller lynched, you've successfully wasted a day for town and even if you yourself will die the following day, it's 2 days pretty much wasted.

So not only do you have 40% chance of getting ridiculous amount of town cred (who is thinking about lynching yamato77 now? anyone?) But you also get an additional 30% chance of at least wasting towns time for not a great, but acceptable trade. (assuming there's 60

I'd do it in a heartbeat.

However, I think we need to trust yamato's claim. Or well it's the default position. I don't know the guy and I usually assume people I don't know just play straight up, because recognizing this opportunity as mafia, having the confidence to win against the counterclaim, and having the balls to make the claim seems too much to ask from someone who's new I think.

That leaves 11 people to look at.
Computer says mafia
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 19 2012 10:14 GMT
#155
On December 19 2012 18:20 Palmar wrote:
Actually that's not true. I don't think you can safely read anything into the frequency of posting, but if you really want to, I'd rather go with it being a point in the scummy column than the townie one if a player is posting less than expected.

Also what the fuck is up with this new TL town shit meta of defending everyone and everything for no bloody reason. What happened to only defending if you're certain you're right and just letting people fend for themselves?


Someone doesn't understand what "inversely correlated" means.

On December 19 2012 18:41 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 09:10 sciberbia wrote:
Hi everyone!

In the interest of getting discussion started, I'm going to argue why millers should claim on D1 in this setup:

We have either no millers or 1 miller, and the chance that we have a miller is roughly 40%.+ Show Spoiler +

C9++ specification: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9++

Keirathi said in the OP that he replaced innocent child with miller. So, we have a miller if Keir drew exactly 1 M or exactly 3 M's. He drew 7 letters and each has a 10% chance of being an M.

Chance of 1 M = (.1)^1 * (.9)^6 * (choose 1 from 7) = 37.20087%
Chance of 3 M = (.1)^3 * (.9)^4 * (choose 3 from 7) = 2.29635%

So overall, the chance that we have a miller is 39.49722%


Therefore, it would be a major risk for scum to fakeclaim miller. They'd have a 40% chance of being counterclaimed and subsequently lynched. Because it is such a big risk for a scum to take, I think we could have some faith in any D1 miller claim being an honest one.

Thoughts?


You forget that the counterclaim doesn't necessarily mean that the scum will get lynched right away, I dare say I'd take this chance as scum. If you manage to argue your way out of the day 1 lynch and get the real miller lynched, you've successfully wasted a day for town and even if you yourself will die the following day, it's 2 days pretty much wasted.

So not only do you have 40% chance of getting ridiculous amount of town cred (who is thinking about lynching yamato77 now? anyone?) But you also get an additional 30% chance of at least wasting towns time for not a great, but acceptable trade. (assuming there's 60

I'd do it in a heartbeat.

However, I think we need to trust yamato's claim. Or well it's the default position. I don't know the guy and I usually assume people I don't know just play straight up, because recognizing this opportunity as mafia, having the confidence to win against the counterclaim, and having the balls to make the claim seems too much to ask from someone who's new I think.

That leaves 11 people to look at.


no you wouldn't, you're too pussy to do that.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 19 2012 10:56 GMT
#156
oh, I misread the earlier conversation. Sorry about that.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 19 2012 10:57 GMT
#157
Also what do you intend to accomplish trying to argue whether or not I'd take a chance on a powerplay as scum? Are you just trying to stir up shit for the sake of it?
Computer says mafia
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 19 2012 11:14 GMT
#158
On December 19 2012 19:57 Palmar wrote:
Also what do you intend to accomplish trying to argue whether or not I'd take a chance on a powerplay as scum? Are you just trying to stir up shit for the sake of it?


nope, just pointing out misrepresentation.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 19 2012 11:45 GMT
#159
On December 19 2012 20:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 19:57 Palmar wrote:
Also what do you intend to accomplish trying to argue whether or not I'd take a chance on a powerplay as scum? Are you just trying to stir up shit for the sake of it?


nope, just pointing out misrepresentation.


I don't believe it is one. And I think I know myself better than you do.

So you're lying right now. Why?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 19 2012 12:03 GMT
#160
In fact bugs, I want to know exactly how you feel about debears. Please don't just give me a random answers, I want explanation for whatever hunch you may have, and if you cannot tell which way you're leaning, I want you to explain why.

In return, I'm willing to extend the invitation for anyone in the thread to challenge me to analyse any player's alignment based on their posting so far. Obviously I cannot write a lengthy analysis on everyone in the game, so the first 2 suggested I will check out.
Computer says mafia
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