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On December 27 2011 13:52 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 13:00 Radfield wrote:On December 27 2011 12:51 Toadesstern wrote:
Well as mentioned, blazinghand is one of the two people I'd not like to send on a mission right now so it's a nay for me why not? you said what he said sounds townish and he's open for discussion. I still think he contradicted himself saying (all under the assumption that your group theory is right and you really are town) tha we should send palmar or zona as well because.
EBWOP shouldn't post so late in the morning... something went missing when copy & pasting :p
...because that's according to increase our chances of either a successfull mission or increases the informationgain. To be honest I still haven't quite understood what he wanted to say with his first big post.
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@Radfield, even though you have proposed the team, you still have to vote.
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On December 27 2011 13:54 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 13:53 Toadesstern wrote:
oh and no the fact that you're talking a lot is not the reason I voted nay because I'm talking quite a lot as well and yeah seems like noone is talking at all o.O you're talking a lot and not contributing much. It sounds to me like you could be slipping messages to your mafia allies here.
I'm talking a lot without contributing? Most of my posts actually still are about your first big post because I still think you got something wrong there. So yeah I'm critizing you instead of contributing myself but atm noone is really contributing because noone is talking except for the two of us and we're already discussing each other.
Nothing more to discuss right now because again. Everyone else posted so little that they're nulls for me.
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On December 27 2011 13:59 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 13:54 Blazinghand wrote:On December 27 2011 13:53 Toadesstern wrote:
oh and no the fact that you're talking a lot is not the reason I voted nay because I'm talking quite a lot as well and yeah seems like noone is talking at all o.O you're talking a lot and not contributing much. It sounds to me like you could be slipping messages to your mafia allies here. I'm talking a lot without contributing? Most of my posts actually still are about your first big post because I still think you got something wrong there. So yeah I'm critizing you instead of contributing myself but atm noone is really contributing because noone is talking except for the two of us and we're already discussing each other. Nothing more to discuss right now because again. Everyone else posted so little that they're nulls for me.
I think you should try to contribute/post etc to encourage others to do the same. Perhaps the solution to "nobody else has contributed, so the town is having trouble forming reads" isn't "well hey I better not contribute you guys" but rather "hmm... maybe the solution here is to contribute."
Like, that would actually help.
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Blazing why are you suspicious of radfield? Do you find his team displeasurable?
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On December 27 2011 14:06 GreYMisT wrote:
Blazing why are you suspicious of radfield? Do you find his team displeasurable?
I find the fact that it includes me to be excellent. I find the way he has presented a series of arguments, not used them, claiming they were "just to start discussion", then presented a new team WITH NO JUSTIFICATION UNTIL PRESSURED, is scummy. I think something is up. I'm suspicious enough that I'm willing to throw him out and see what the next guy has to offer.
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
P.S.: although Rad's team has 3 votes, he hasn't voted for it yet, meaning that the next non-Radfield person who votes for it will let him vote for it to make it 5. Think carefully about the way this guy has presented his case and his picks before you vote.
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I haven't voted either and I know I'm town.
I'm declaring the intention of voting in favor of Rad's team, since Radfield himself can hammer it I'm going to give people a few hours to discuss.
I see no real problem with Radfield, it doesn't actually matter if he's scum or town, the fact that he presented a team including himself simply shows he's not dumb, it tells us nothing about his alignment. Any town player would always present a team with themselves in it, and by extension scum has to do it too.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On December 27 2011 14:15 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 14:06 GreYMisT wrote:
Blazing why are you suspicious of radfield? Do you find his team displeasurable? I find the fact that it includes me to be excellent. I find the way he has presented a series of arguments, not used them, claiming they were "just to start discussion", then presented a new team WITH NO JUSTIFICATION UNTIL PRESSURED, is scummy. I think something is up. I'm suspicious enough that I'm willing to throw him out and see what the next guy has to offer.
Actually I typed up and posted my reasons without seeing that you had asked me a question in between. However my post does look remarkably like a response to your post.
On December 27 2011 13:58 TruthBringer wrote:
@Radfield, even though you have proposed the team, you still have to vote.
Thanks.
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Voted Radfield's team. We can't do anything until we do something.
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Team Accepted!
A team consisting of Radfield, Palmar and Blazinghand has been accepted for this mission!
Final vote count:
Yays: TruthBringer GreYMisT VisceraEyes Radfield Jackal58
Nays: Toadesstern Blazinghand
Please send in your night actions to Forumite and prplhz
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- Night 1 - ![[image loading]](http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6641/z7433130xalloallo.jpg)
- Radfield, it´s dangerous to go alone! Here, take these!
The night ends in 29 hours, at 23:00 GMT (+00:00), or 08:00 KST 29th of December.
Day 2 will begin with Truthbringer as leader.
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- Day 2 -Mission Failure!![[image loading]](http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3339/11241464620boulangerie.jpg)
An army fights on its stomach, but in the quiet war reigning in nighttime Paris, every belly was full. A decisive strike had been planned against the local bakery, cutting off the occupying german soldiers from their essential sandwishes and snacks, and crushing their morale in one fell strike. Three valiant soldiers of La Resistance set out late one evening, broke into the bakery at the corner and lit the croissants on fire, but they had barely hid themselves in the shrubbery across the street when they heard, heading right for them, sirens... Someone had alerted the fire department, and what would have been a weathy conflagration ended up as a tragic macaron murder. The camaraderie with which the three had set out that evening was gone, and they walked back to report in a sugary cloud of suspicion...
Mission 1 suffered one sabotage attempt, and failed!
Special Announcement!
This and all future Dayphases extended by 24 hours!
Mission 2 require 4 participants!
Truthbringer is the first leader.
The day ends in 4 full days, or 96 hours, at 23:00 GMT (+00:00), or 08:00 KST the 2nd of January, 2011.
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On December 27 2011 14:21 Blazinghand wrote:
P.S.: although Rad's team has 3 votes, he hasn't voted for it yet, meaning that the next non-Radfield person who votes for it will let him vote for it to make it 5. Think carefully about the way this guy has presented his case and his picks before you vote.
FoS Blazinghand
Radfield has been catching a lot of flak for the way he chose his initial team...but the thing is, nothing can happen until we have some information, which we have now.
I liked Palmar's post about people discussing Spy strategy, and I liked Radfield's posting d1...so that leaves me with Blazinghand. And he made this post just before the day ended. Like, if you're town and you're on the team, why would you want to cast suspicion on who picked you?
I will insta-nay any team that includes Blazinghand.
Smooches.
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I agree with this viscera. I think the best way for us to move forward now that we know that at least one of rad, palmar, and blazing is scum is to add the current leader, trade out blazinghand, and add someone else into the mix. I am not sure who i would recommend other than myself. perhaps viscera or toad.
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what about switching multiple people? If I had to take a guess I'd also say it's blazinghand but it's nothing clear at all. I was leaning lightly scum on him while palmar and rad both where nulls for me. And now we know that one of those is scum.
Obviously blazinghand is the first I'd swap out too but I'm not going to say that I think palmar and / or rad are town because again, they're both just nulls for me on a failed mission.
It's kind of a problem for me right now. I don't really want palmar nor rad on a mission as well because I'm not convinced they're town. However swapping multiple people will give us WAY less information because we can't make connections between d1 and d2
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
I think the next day team should not inclide anyone from the day one team since one person from the day one team is scum I will auto nay any vote that includes members of the day one team besides myself.it has been obvious to me that ras is scum in the way he presented and argued his team. That being said none of you guys know my aligment so yhe optimal strat for anyone not sent on last night's mission is to vote nay on any team containing members from that.
Also anyone who believes VE that i am more suspicious for my post against the team "near the end of the day" is a moron or scum or both. I was pointing out the danger of a Radfield quickhammer. The day was only close to the end because some guys voted yes after my post, not due to the time limitation. Believe it or not i fingered Rad as scum and I stand by that read and my nay vote.
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On December 29 2011 09:18 Blazinghand wrote:
Also anyone who believes VE that i am more suspicious for my post against the team "near the end of the day" is a moron or scum or both. I was pointing out the danger of a Radfield quickhammer. The day was only close to the end because some guys voted yes after my post, not due to the time limitation. Believe it or not i fingered Rad as scum and I stand by that read and my nay vote.
Actually I got to agree with Greymist on the VE matter.
Imo there's basicly 2 options for a pro-town-looking post. Either he's trolling and doing crazy shit that might look protown while in reality people should call him out for that stuff. Zhat's what he does when he's scum, because of his meta. At least that's what he did last game.
Or he's not trolling and trying to be useful. I don't see him trolling therefor I got to agree with Greymist.
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
Ps i think VE is a fool not a knave but I may revise that opinion.
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