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Blazinghand
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On December 29 2011 09:23 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 09:18 Blazinghand wrote:
Also anyone who believes VE that i am more suspicious for my post against the team "near the end of the day" is a moron or scum or both. I was pointing out the danger of a Radfield quickhammer. The day was only close to the end because some guys voted yes after my post, not due to the time limitation. Believe it or not i fingered Rad as scum and I stand by that read and my nay vote. Actually I got to agree with Greymist on the VE matter. Imo there's basicly 2 options for a pro-town-looking post. Either he's trolling and doing crazy shit that might look protown while in reality people should call him out for that stuff. Zhat's what he does when he's scum, because of his meta. At least that's what he did last game. Or he's not trolling and trying to be useful. I don't see him trolling therefor I got to agree with Greymist.
So you're claiming that VE is trying to look town? I literally don't undrstand what you're saying here. Is he not bei g helpful on purpose therefore hes town?
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Oh I'm a fool? Because I find you suspicious? Please. Prove me wrong instead of insulting me dude.
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Blazinghand
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On December 29 2011 09:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh I'm a fool? Because I find you suspicious? Please. Prove me wrong instead of insulting me dude.
Um no youre a fool because i didnt make that post close to a deadline... imade that post and the only reason tje dau emded was voting not time. That being said i revising my opi.ion of you from fool to knave
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No trickery was intended BH, I simply meant it was one of the last contentful posts before the day ended, not that it was timed close to the end of the day. Just a misunderstanding, that.
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Blazinghand
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On December 29 2011 09:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
No trickery was intended BH, I simply meant it was one of the last contentful posts before the day ended, not that it was timed close to the end of the day. Just a misunderstanding, that.
Oh really? My explanation there was just a repetition of whT i had previously said. The facr of the matter is youveother ognored or pretended to overlook my previous post, and only now thst your trickery is laid bare for a aecond time do you back down. Spy.
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/:| (that's a raised eyebrow...at you sir.)
Calm down a second. First of all, you just got back from a failed mission, and you shouldn't be calling ANYONE spy.
Now, I found your post suspicious REGARDLESS of when it was made. The content was what I had a problem with (if you'll kindly read MY post on the matter...which you're either ignoring or intentionally overlooking.) The fact that you Nay'd a team that included you (as town) doesn't make any sense. I can understand after N1 maybe because you have more information, but ALL you have to go on, as town, is YOUR alignment...so a team that includes you is more likely to succeed by virtue of you being town.
But I wouldn't expect a Spy like you to think in those terms. 
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On December 29 2011 09:27 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 09:23 Toadesstern wrote:On December 29 2011 09:18 Blazinghand wrote:
Also anyone who believes VE that i am more suspicious for my post against the team "near the end of the day" is a moron or scum or both. I was pointing out the danger of a Radfield quickhammer. The day was only close to the end because some guys voted yes after my post, not due to the time limitation. Believe it or not i fingered Rad as scum and I stand by that read and my nay vote. Actually I got to agree with Greymist on the VE matter. Imo there's basicly 2 options for a pro-town-looking post. Either he's trolling and doing crazy shit that might look protown while in reality people should call him out for that stuff. Zhat's what he does when he's scum, because of his meta. At least that's what he did last game. Or he's not trolling and trying to be useful. I don't see him trolling therefor I got to agree with Greymist. So you're claiming that VE is trying to look town? I literally don't undrstand what you're saying here. Is he not bei g helpful on purpose therefore hes town?
I'm claiming that he looks to be honestly trying to be helpful. If you think he's not helpful that's not even my point because what matters to me is that it's not looking like his usual mafia-trolls that are just weird stuff while the only reason he's not getting fos'ed for that kind of stuff is his meta. This looks "normal" to me => town
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SPECULATION TIME!!!
Is it possible that more than one spy was sent on last night's mission?
My guess is no, because only one sabotage attempt was made. Because there's no out-of-thread communication, spies aren't going to assume their buddies are going to sabotage (if they wanna win anyway,) and because all their communications happen inside the thread, we have to assume that only one spy was sent last night.
Anyone have thoughts on this matter?
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Blazinghand
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On December 29 2011 09:55 VisceraEyes wrote:/:| (that's a raised eyebrow...at you sir.) Calm down a second. First of all, you just got back from a failed mission, and you shouldn't be calling ANYONE spy. Now, I found your post suspicious REGARDLESS of when it was made. The content was what I had a problem with (if you'll kindly read MY post on the matter...which you're either ignoring or intentionally overlooking.) The fact that you Nay'd a team that included you (as town) doesn't make any sense. I can understand after N1 maybe because you have more information, but ALL you have to go on, as town, is YOUR alignment...so a team that includes you is more likely to succeed by virtue of yo being town. But I wouldn't expect a Spy like you to think in those terms.
Let me refer you to my previous post... which it seems you still have not read. Am i town? Yes. I like teams with me on them and will vote yay on them... unless of course they include obvious sxum like Radfield. I made a read and made a call. It's a vote i stand by.
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Blazinghand
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Man why is it suspicious to make a good read and act on it I ask you
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On December 29 2011 10:02 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 09:55 VisceraEyes wrote:/:| (that's a raised eyebrow...at you sir.) Calm down a second. First of all, you just got back from a failed mission, and you shouldn't be calling ANYONE spy. Now, I found your post suspicious REGARDLESS of when it was made. The content was what I had a problem with (if you'll kindly read MY post on the matter...which you're either ignoring or intentionally overlooking.) The fact that you Nay'd a team that included you (as town) doesn't make any sense. I can understand after N1 maybe because you have more information, but ALL you have to go on, as town, is YOUR alignment...so a team that includes you is more likely to succeed by virtue of yo being town. But I wouldn't expect a Spy like you to think in those terms. Let me refer you to my previous post... which it seems you still have not read. Am i town? Yes. I like teams with me on them and will vote yay on them... unless of course they include obvious sxum like Radfield. I made a read and made a call. It's a vote i stand by.
Radfield is by no means obvious scum. He may be obvious to you now because your mission failed N1, but at the time all he had done was post his team and given the reasoning behind it. You're reaching. Yes, I've read your post, please stop insinuating that I didn't.
I'm done with this debate, I've given my thoughts on you and I consider the matter to be closed. All you continuing to antagonize me serves to do is make you more suspicious to me.
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Blazinghand
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Like imagine the inverse-- i think radfield is scum but i vote yes on a team including him
.. that makes no sense at all. Given my reads and my knowledge i made the right call. I am severely dissapointed that others did not do the same.
That being said, take a look at Radfield's voting pattern. He was trying to set up abquickhammer and didnt justify his team until called out. I would recommend swapping him out for sire tonight for these reasons.
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Blazinghand
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On December 29 2011 10:13 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 10:02 Blazinghand wrote:On December 29 2011 09:55 VisceraEyes wrote:/:| (that's a raised eyebrow...at you sir.) Calm down a second. First of all, you just got back from a failed mission, and you shouldn't be calling ANYONE spy. Now, I found your post suspicious REGARDLESS of when it was made. The content was what I had a problem with (if you'll kindly read MY post on the matter...which you're either ignoring or intentionally overlooking.) The fact that you Nay'd a team that included you (as town) doesn't make any sense. I can understand after N1 maybe because you have more information, but ALL you have to go on, as town, is YOUR alignment...so a team that includes you is more likely to succeed by virtue of yo being town. But I wouldn't expect a Spy like you to think in those terms. Let me refer you to my previous post... which it seems you still have not read. Am i town? Yes. I like teams with me on them and will vote yay on them... unless of course they include obvious sxum like Radfield. I made a read and made a call. It's a vote i stand by. Radfield is by no means obvious scum. He may be obvious to you now because your mission failed N1, but at the time all he had done was post his team and given the reasoning behind it. You're reaching. Yes, I've read your post, please stop insinuating that I didn't. I'm done with this debate, I've given my thoughts on you and I consider the matter to be closed. All you continuing to antagonize me serves to do is make you more suspicious to me.
Im notbtrying to convince you. Youbare scum. Thebpeople whose votes matter will seebthis convo and understand the truth. I klmade the right call. The matter wouldnt be closed if you were town because you would provide oegitimate arguments... ever. Defend yourself!
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Blazinghand
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Ok. At a keyboard now. Here's my main point-- Radfield made his team based not at all on his original metrics (flaws though they were). He then posted his team without any justification. He provided some after being called out on it, but only after the fact. He didn't vote for his own team, possibly setting up for a quickhammer situation, which shuts down debate and prevents us from gathering more information for vital d1 reads.
Then the mission failed.
I think that Radfield needs to be swapped out-- and that's my case.
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On December 29 2011 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
SPECULATION TIME!!!
Is it possible that more than one spy was sent on last night's mission?
My guess is no, because only one sabotage attempt was made. Because there's no out-of-thread communication, spies aren't going to assume their buddies are going to sabotage (if they wanna win anyway,) and because all their communications happen inside the thread, we have to assume that only one spy was sent last night.
Anyone have thoughts on this matter?
well that's kind of what palmar was talking about. thoughts about this is talking about spy strategy. That could very well be spies breadcrumbing each other because they at least will know where to look at. So I'd say everyone think for themselves on that matter :p
Oh and @blazinghand: I actually didn't see your PS post earlier because I was in a rush typing. Looks like we both got the same idea about VE and didn't understand each other :D
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Blazinghand
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I agree with Toad that talking about mafia strategy is a poor idea. What are your thoughts on Radfield? Mafia? Town? Undetermined?
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On December 29 2011 10:43 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
SPECULATION TIME!!!
Is it possible that more than one spy was sent on last night's mission?
My guess is no, because only one sabotage attempt was made. Because there's no out-of-thread communication, spies aren't going to assume their buddies are going to sabotage (if they wanna win anyway,) and because all their communications happen inside the thread, we have to assume that only one spy was sent last night.
Anyone have thoughts on this matter? well that's kind of what palmar was talking about. thoughts about this is talking about spy strategy. That could very well be spies breadcrumbing each other because they at least will know where to look at. So I'd say everyone think for themselves on that matter :p Oh and @blazinghand: I actually didn't see your PS post earlier because I was in a rush typing. Looks like we both got the same idea about VE and didn't understand each other :D
Wait a second...the bolded statement seems to imply that you agree with Blaze that I'm SPAI, but all your previous posts seem to indicate that you think I'm NOT SPAI. Please clarify.
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Blazinghand
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On December 29 2011 10:50 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 10:43 Toadesstern wrote:On December 29 2011 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
SPECULATION TIME!!!
Is it possible that more than one spy was sent on last night's mission?
My guess is no, because only one sabotage attempt was made. Because there's no out-of-thread communication, spies aren't going to assume their buddies are going to sabotage (if they wanna win anyway,) and because all their communications happen inside the thread, we have to assume that only one spy was sent last night.
Anyone have thoughts on this matter? well that's kind of what palmar was talking about. thoughts about this is talking about spy strategy. That could very well be spies breadcrumbing each other because they at least will know where to look at. So I'd say everyone think for themselves on that matter :p Oh and @blazinghand: I actually didn't see your PS post earlier because I was in a rush typing. Looks like we both got the same idea about VE and didn't understand each other :D Wait a second...the bolded statement seems to imply that you agree with Blaze that I'm SPAI, but all your previous posts seem to indicate that you think I'm NOT SPAI. Please clarify.
._. another case of VE not reading my posts? The PS post was the one in which I indicated you were not a knave, but rather, a fool.
Aside: Zona hasn't posted yet. Is he MIA or was this a planned holiday AFK?
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On December 29 2011 10:02 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 09:55 VisceraEyes wrote:/:| (that's a raised eyebrow...at you sir.) Calm down a second. First of all, you just got back from a failed mission, and you shouldn't be calling ANYONE spy. Now, I found your post suspicious REGARDLESS of when it was made. The content was what I had a problem with (if you'll kindly read MY post on the matter...which you're either ignoring or intentionally overlooking.) The fact that you Nay'd a team that included you (as town) doesn't make any sense. I can understand after N1 maybe because you have more information, but ALL you have to go on, as town, is YOUR alignment...so a team that includes you is more likely to succeed by virtue of yo being town. But I wouldn't expect a Spy like you to think in those terms. Let me refer you to my previous post... which it seems you still have not read. Am i town? Yes. I like teams with me on them and will vote yay on them... unless of course they include obvious sxum like Radfield. I made a read and made a call. It's a vote i stand by.
wait, did you not just say you will vote nay for any team with the previous night's members....and then just said you will vote yay for teams with you on them?
Also why would we be worried about a quickhammer on a day1 team. we have almost 0 info on teams day one as this is a game of logic. we have to send someone, and rad's picks made sense.
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Why Zona in particular Blaze? Only 4 people in the game HAVE posted so far, were you expecting to hear from Zona early or something?
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