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iiNsAnE
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany140 Posts
May 08 2011 20:16 GMT
#141
1. Sweden
- Morrow, Jinro, Thorzain, Naniwa, Sjow

2. Ukraine
- Dimaga, WhiteRa, Kas, Strelok, (couple of others)

3. Germany
- Socke, HasuObs, TLO, Goody, Darkforce

Well that would be my top 3, followed by Canada and USA...
@insane_csgo
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 20:19:53
May 08 2011 20:16 GMT
#142
A tourney is needed.

Something like the Clanbase nations cup back in 2004:

http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?&lid=1431

The best german brood war team ever won the cup:
Mondragon, Fisheye, Breakdown, Socke, OgerDaniel, Infinity, Cope etc.
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
May 08 2011 20:17 GMT
#143
Sweden or USA
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
havox_
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany442 Posts
May 08 2011 20:18 GMT
#144
Wasnt there already a thread about this 1 week ago? Why no poll?


Poll: Best Non-Korean SC2 Nation?

Sweden (Naniwa, Jinro, ThorZain, Morrow, Sjow, ...) (130)
 
69%

Ukraine (WhiteRa, Dimaga, Strelok, Kas, ...) (19)
 
10%

Germany (TLO, Goody, Socke, HasuObs, DarkForce) (19)
 
10%

Canada (Huk, Kiwikaki, TT1, Drewbie, ...) (10)
 
5%

USA (IdrA, qxc, Incontrol, ...) (8)
 
4%

Other (3)
 
2%

189 total votes

Your vote: Best Non-Korean SC2 Nation?

(Vote): Sweden (Naniwa, Jinro, ThorZain, Morrow, Sjow, ...)
(Vote): Ukraine (WhiteRa, Dimaga, Strelok, Kas, ...)
(Vote): USA (IdrA, qxc, Incontrol, ...)
(Vote): Germany (TLO, Goody, Socke, HasuObs, DarkForce)
(Vote): Canada (Huk, Kiwikaki, TT1, Drewbie, ...)
(Vote): Other

mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 20:19:46
May 08 2011 20:19 GMT
#145
On May 09 2011 05:12 Carkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 04:02 mr_tolkien wrote:
Nobody thinks France is quite up there ?

Adelscott, Stephano, Moman, Song, Sarens would make quite an ace team...

Carn too right? But i dont think those are as good as a lot of other countries

I restricted myself to French players playing in Europe, but yes, if you count Fr in Korea, Karn and maybe Soju could also be strong assets to a team. Aures could be considered as well if making an «Fr team».

France is to underrated in the international scene... Hasu, Tarson, and Strelok came to the Gamers Assembly (biggest French LAN), the finals where Adel VS Aures.

By no mean I'm trying to say «France is the best European country in SC2», but it sure is completly underrated. I myself have discovered the French scene only recently and the least I can say is that I've been quite impressed.
The legend of Darien lives on
quiet noise
Profile Joined May 2011
599 Posts
May 08 2011 20:20 GMT
#146
Sweden has the best results, but i think canada is pretty underrated. id pick canada above ukraine (whitera is gosu, dimaga is not showing results and kas is terribly overrated)
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 20:30:25
May 08 2011 20:21 GMT
#147
Just posting some statistics:

Nationalities of the first page in TLPD (top 40):

13 Korea
4 Sweden
3 Canada
2 Germany
2 Russia
2 Ukraine
2 USA

Nationalities of the first and second page in TLPD (top 80):
16 Korea
9 Canada
7 Sweden
7 USA
5 France
5 Germany
4 Ukraine
3 Finland
2 China
2 Poland
2 Romania
2 Russia
2 Spain

Top 120 (only counting nations with 3 or more players):
21 Korea
15 USA
13 Canada
11 Sweden
8 Germany
6 France
4 Poland
4 Russia
4 Ukraine
4 Finland

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players
mdma-_-
Profile Joined October 2010
Nauru1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 20:24:30
May 08 2011 20:22 GMT
#148
On May 09 2011 05:11 Defacer wrote:
First time ever I think the US is being considered underrated.

Idra, InControl, PainUser, Liquid Tyler, QXC ... these are good players. Is Sheth American?


incontrol, painuser, qxc and tyler arent rly the biggest names compared to swedens (Sjow, Morrow, Naniwa, Thorzain, Jinro) or ukraines (strelok, Kas, Whitera, Dimaga) top 5.
If you compare them to germany(Socke, Hasu, Darkforce, TLO, Goody, Mondragon) or canada (Kiwikaki, Huk, Drewbie, Slush, TT1) they are much more closer though yet I (and obviously many other ppl as well) would rate them slightly below those 2 countries.

All in all the US has a lot of decent players, but only few top players, which is why many ppl would expect them to lose in a tournemant against the other big nations since only the top 5 or so players get to play.

Also there should be an ENC this summer, so there will at least be a tourney for the european nations.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
May 08 2011 20:22 GMT
#149
On May 09 2011 05:20 quiet noise wrote:
Sweden has the best results, but i think canada is pretty underrated. id pick canada above ukraine (whitera is gosu, dimaga is not showing results and kas is terribly overrated)

What the hell? Dimaga has beaten Nestea in zvz, Kas is showing consistent results, and Strelok must not be forgotten!
Sworn
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada920 Posts
May 08 2011 20:23 GMT
#150
Sweden, Canada, Germany, Ukraine then probs USA
"Duty is heavy as a mountain, death is light as a feather." CJ Entus Fighting! <3 Effort
Kentakky
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1272 Posts
May 08 2011 20:24 GMT
#151
Poland gonna be/is pretty scary I reckon.

Sweden already pretty scary.

Ukraine scary as well.

USA has some great players, should do way better though imo.

Canada looking solid, always up there at MLG at least.

Germany solid as always.

France getting there.

Russia not enough info BRAT_OK scary though.

China potential powerhouse.
My immune system is so strong that I have to get AIDS just to be normal.
Looky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1608 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 20:29:22
May 08 2011 20:25 GMT
#152
china. from the looks of the starwars tournament. they will surpass even korea once they played it for a few months. i remember they were the only country to have players take games off top korean players in broodwar
SadMachine
Profile Joined October 2010
United States98 Posts
May 08 2011 20:25 GMT
#153
If going for top end talent over depth it would have to be Ukraine then Sweden, but if depth over top end talent then just switch the two... either way those two are definitely tops outside of Korea!
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
May 08 2011 20:26 GMT
#154
1.- Sweden
2.- Ukraine
3.- Germany
4.- Canada
5.- Russia
mpf189
Profile Joined March 2011
332 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 20:28:05
May 08 2011 20:27 GMT
#155
On May 09 2011 04:04 thirnaz wrote:
Sweden probably atm, and thats quite weird seeing how we have less citizens in our entire country then there is in new york (:


E-Sports is also huge in Sweden, much more popular than it is in US. Sweden always does well in E-sports because you can be a pro-gamer and have a nice living.
unsaintly
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany687 Posts
May 08 2011 20:28 GMT
#156
germany of course duh ... nah i think sweden has so many beastly players it's scary.
mpf189
Profile Joined March 2011
332 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 20:31:47
May 08 2011 20:30 GMT
#157
Anyone else consider HuK American? Didn't he move to Canada like a couple years ago? I wouldn't really consider Idra to be Korean if he lived there for a few years. Just like a lot of people here don't consider Select to be American. HuK hasn't been as great as of late though imo :/
quiet noise
Profile Joined May 2011
599 Posts
May 08 2011 20:30 GMT
#158
On May 09 2011 05:22 Maenander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 05:20 quiet noise wrote:
Sweden has the best results, but i think canada is pretty underrated. id pick canada above ukraine (whitera is gosu, dimaga is not showing results and kas is terribly overrated)

What the hell? Dimaga has beaten Nestea in zvz, Kas is showing consistent results, and Strelok must not be forgotten!


one win against one player doesnt mean you are suddenly a top-tier player, even if its against Nestea ZvZ. Kas and strelok are good but not on the same level as naniwa/thorzain/whitera etc
iiNsAnE
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany140 Posts
May 08 2011 20:31 GMT
#159
On May 09 2011 05:25 Looky wrote:
china. from the looks of the starwars tournament. they will surpass even korea once they played it for a few months. i remember they were the only country to have players take games off top korean players in broodwar


They surprised me as well in the starswar, but i don't really know where to put them. I agree that it will need some time to really rate the chinese players. But i think they have great potential especially for the fact that eSports in China is getting pretty big as far as i've heard...
@insane_csgo
Batch
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden692 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 20:33:33
May 08 2011 20:32 GMT
#160
On May 09 2011 05:12 hugman wrote:
I don't like this country vs country business
Players from all countries can beat eachother on any given day

I love the country vs country discussions! If we want e-sport to become as big as possible we need as much rivalry and competition as possible. The flag in front of each player brings a lot of feelings into the game.

Korea vs Foreigner
East vs West
Europe vs America
USA vs Canada
My country vs Another country

There are a lot of sports I never watch and don't really care about unless Sweden plays because it automaticly gives me a team to root for.

Btw, my top list of non korean countries:
1) Sweden (yes, I am probably biased ^_^)
2) Ukraine
3) Germany
4) USA
5) Canada
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