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kvn_
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany22 Posts
May 08 2011 20:50 GMT
#181
sweden ofc and germany
Ventor
Profile Joined February 2011
United States336 Posts
May 08 2011 20:51 GMT
#182
These posts are pointless. They are riddled with bias and just cause hostility between people representing each nation.
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Flytothesky
Profile Joined April 2004
United States591 Posts
May 08 2011 20:51 GMT
#183
Sweden has the best lineup. I also agree with Canada/USA/Ukraine and Germany being pretty close up there.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14155 Posts
May 08 2011 20:51 GMT
#184
On May 09 2011 03:54 VoirDire wrote:
Top 5 gotta be Sweden, Ukraine, Germany, US, Canada.



I highly agree. I really wish I could put canada and US ahead but they've just been lacking recently.
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Guthix
Profile Joined April 2011
United States209 Posts
May 08 2011 20:53 GMT
#185
China will be #1 in the future... even better than Korea probably.
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ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
May 08 2011 20:55 GMT
#186
On May 09 2011 05:53 Guthix wrote:
China will be #1 in the future... even better than Korea probably.

Actually that might be Taiwan with their professional league teams, they'll be getting structured practice and TV experience and the scene is almost guaranteed to grow and become far stronger if the league survives. Unless we get something comparable the rest of the foreign world will lag behind.
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MaYuu
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Sweden516 Posts
May 08 2011 20:58 GMT
#187
There's some really good players from each and every country.

Ukraine got the 3 beasts from the east which all preforms really really good. Kas Dimaga and White-Ra.

Then we got NA which has many really good players but some which stands out more are Idra Huk and Kiwikaki.

Germany got so much potential with Socke HasuObs Goody TLO and Mondragon and many more which all are aspiring pros. Germany will really be a force to be reckoned with once they gain some ground.

Sweden got some really nice Terrans with Sjow ThorZaIN and Jinro which all are really dominant throw in MorroW and Naniwa (I would love to throw Haypro in there but he's really under preforming atm which is really sad) and we have the top nations team only to be beaten by the korean one.

With the release in china and players always developing one could only speculate which is the best sc2 nation and even if one nation would win a nation cup I'm sure another nation soon would take over the title.
ehh`?
Kentakky
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1272 Posts
May 08 2011 20:59 GMT
#188
On May 09 2011 05:55 ComusLoM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 05:53 Guthix wrote:
China will be #1 in the future... even better than Korea probably.

Actually that might be Taiwan with their professional league teams, they'll be getting structured practice and TV experience and the scene is almost guaranteed to grow and become far stronger if the league survives. Unless we get something comparable the rest of the foreign world will lag behind.



If China can make DotA a super serious game with bunchloads of cash and player transfers for like 5k$ per player etc imagine what they can do with Sc2!
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leeteyed
Profile Joined April 2011
23 Posts
May 08 2011 21:00 GMT
#189
Sweden 4 sure
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
May 08 2011 21:04 GMT
#190
Myanmar, followed by Ukraine and Sweden.
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Neo7
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States922 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 21:06:04
May 08 2011 21:05 GMT
#191
Going to have to go with Sweeden. (T)Jinro is like the (T)Fantasy of StarCraft 2.
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zDeath
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States25 Posts
May 08 2011 21:07 GMT
#192
Sweden next to Ukraine.
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cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 21:13:35
May 08 2011 21:07 GMT
#193
On May 09 2011 05:21 VoirDire wrote:
Just posting some statistics:

Nationalities of the first page in TLPD (top 40):

13 Korea
4 Sweden
3 Canada
2 Germany
2 Russia
2 Ukraine
2 USA

Nationalities of the first and second page in TLPD (top 80):
16 Korea
9 Canada
7 Sweden
7 USA
5 France
5 Germany
4 Ukraine
3 Finland
2 China
2 Poland
2 Romania
2 Russia
2 Spain

Top 120 (only counting nations with 3 or more players):
21 Korea
15 USA
13 Canada
11 Sweden
8 Germany
6 France
4 Poland
4 Russia
4 Ukraine
4 Finland

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players

Yea id defenetly say canada is top 3. There are quite a few good french canadian players as well as quite a few in the top 200 from vancouver.

Wannabe, stalife, drewbie (vancouver island), firezerg, REQCHEUBC, Masterasia, Vader(he may or may not be from van). Not all of these players are particularily notable but they all reside in the top 200 (or have for a while) and they are all from one city wich is pretty impressive.

Of course there is DDE TT1 Slush Kiwi DDoro IefNaijas more notable players in different parts of canada. There is a few other players that are on the tip of my toungue cant quite remember.
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
TheRooster
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden719 Posts
May 08 2011 21:08 GMT
#194
On May 09 2011 04:36 act.hero wrote:
Change the OP to best: Terran/Protoss/Zerg team.

Sweden: SjoW / Naniwa / Morrow

Ukraine: Kas / WhiteRa / Dimaga

Germany: Goody / HasuObs / Darkforce

France: Adelscott / ? / Moman

Canada (Root lol): Drewbie / Kiwikaki / Slush

USA: SeleCT (Qxc? if you don't count select) / Incontrol / IdrA

Anyone else?

Why would u pick sjow when u have Jinro and Thorzain?
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Kyles92
Profile Joined October 2010
England183 Posts
May 08 2011 21:09 GMT
#195
England, Demuslim.
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
May 08 2011 21:09 GMT
#196
Need a Ukraine vs Sweden team showmatch imo.
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cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
May 08 2011 21:10 GMT
#197
Oh and i agree that china will be #2 at least pretty soon, ive been watching starswar killer 6 and they have some absolutely aamazing players that have beat some of the top players from korea. They just havent participated in many tournaments yet. I expect big things from them in the future though.
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
TheRooster
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden719 Posts
May 08 2011 21:11 GMT
#198
On May 09 2011 04:39 Grezzz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 04:30 Stenstyren wrote:
On May 09 2011 04:18 Grezzz wrote:
Probably the US, not because it has the best players, but because it has the largest population of the sc2 playing nations. You have to consider that IdrA can probably take out any non-US player, and there's plenty of other decent-ish US players to back him up.

In terms of player-skill per population, it's definately Sweden and Ukraine. Germany has to be fairly close after.



What does population size have to do with anything? USA has less players performing than Ukraine and Sweden. Idra can most certainly not beat any non-US player, in fact, his toughest opponents are non-us players (WhiteRa, Jinro, Naniwa to name a few).


Population size has quite a lot to do with it. If you were to play USA vs Sweden and keep going until one team can no longer field a decent player I'd be willing to bet that Sweden would run out of players before the USA. Sure, Sweden can probably field a better 4-5 player team, but if you kept throwing the USA GM players at them they'd eventually lose because beyond the top few players it's hard to name anybody capable of winning games at that level.

It's like comparing something like USA vs Jamaica in athletics. Sure, Jamaica has the biggest superstar with Usain Bolt, but the USA has such a huge number of medal winning athletes that you just have to say that they have a better lineup overall.

Of course it's all opinion and down to how you want to set restrictions. I'm simply saying that in terms of numbers of players capable of winning games, USA probably has more. If you're looking for the best 4-person team, it could be different.


Wouldnt like China or India just crush everything then...
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RBreaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden94 Posts
May 08 2011 21:11 GMT
#199
For sure theres tons of great players in each country but saying stuff like "US" or "Sweden" are the greatest doesnt really prove anything at this point, the game is new, and like some ppl have said before that "US got more players and we got IdrA!" <- That doesnt even make sence, thats just patriotic and sticking to your own country while bashin on others.

If it was like that, one player to rank a countrys leadership in the world, wouldnt players like Elky or Grrr make their countries the greatest? or was it, only for a period of time during bw?

Have faith and stop bashing just cuz you dont feel the same, but atm its quite the same between ukraine/sweden/canada/germany. I cant really place USA with its players here just due to lack of news, tournament wins and PR outside of US.
Lutto
Profile Joined September 2009
Sweden198 Posts
May 08 2011 21:11 GMT
#200
Sweden and ukraine after, canada/germany on third!
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