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Actually me being super sure about someone and then totally backing off them right after is not that uncommon for me. I get really really sure about a read and post a big thing about it and get excited, and then a few things are said that breaks my case and I'm like ohh shitt I was wrong.
Case in point, this post in Newbie Mini Mafia : Episode 1. I made a huge case on Bum and then Bum destroyed it with his first reply.
In this case, I saw a huuuge contradiction in Jay's words. He then explained it in a way that made total sense and in a townie way. Then Hopeless came in and said that if no one counter claims then Jay's probably telling the truth. I don't see how Jay can claim cop if he's the last scum.. so that removes him from the picture.
Honestly right now I'm just really confused. I'm looking at Hopeless, Coag and LoneMeow and I just can't seem to latch on to anything that's hard evidence that they're scum. The more I think, the more things that I dig up that make me think that it could only come from them if they're town.
Well except LoneMeow, he always plays this super careful game. Last game I totally thought he was scum even though he was town, this game I get the same feeling.
Overall though, LoneMeow is still the most likely scum to me. I just don't see what he's done that makes him town.
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that total tunnel for 3 days though.
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Also it totes makes sense for scum to NK balla and then try to push a lynch on me and get people paranoid of me.
Well anyways I'm going to sleep but I'll try to comment in the morning again.
Seriously guys, look at LoneMeow.
And also Coag needs to come in here and post.
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How does your play in this game differ from your scum play suki?
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calling it a total tunnel is a misrepresentation of my activity towards Jay and my participation throughout the rest of the game.
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These are suspiciously easy straightfoward questions to ask sidesprang LM.
Also he doesnt have any followup to them, he never analyses the answers but votes Sidesprang off something else entirely. oooo suspicious interactions.
Also his coag unvote looks like he didnt want it to be true but it was.
yeah and he just shits on Johnny D1 and does not much else and only actually votes for him like 12 or so hours before the lynch.
Wow this dude.
On February 11 2014 03:22 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 17:17 sidesprang wrote:On February 10 2014 12:30 suki wrote:
##vote Coagulation
I see that Oats has posted a bunch. I want to hear from Sidesprang. Specifically these questions:
1. Who is your number one lynch at the moment for Day 2 and why?
2. Who is scummy to you?
3. Comments on the Jonny lynch and the events leading up to it.
I'll comment on Oats in the morning when I'm not tired and I really hope to see something from Sidesprang. I would prefer to lynch Oats, reasons being. He hardly mentioned jonny, had no reasons for voting him. Has two suspect townreads (hopeless / JayB). He is also not being very helpfull to town. People who is leaning scum to me is Oats, You, Coag, Hopeless. Pretty much in that order I think. Koshi and Balla lead the lynch, they were too me the two guys looking most towny. Koshi prolly died because of it. 3 guys have votes that they pretty much did not explain. You had Jonny as second lynch (I think), but for some reason was very reluctant to get JayB lynched instead. I feel usualy town when having two scumreads are happy lynching either atleast when its such a landslide in votes. The fact that you are no dropping him completly for the day while having gone that hard for him I don't understand. Anyhow, off too school. I'll check in when I got time. There's a few people you don't mention here as either town or scum. What do you think about their alignments and why?
On February 11 2014 15:55 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 15:11 sidesprang wrote:
I'm town on
Balla
Aqua
JayB
Balla because he lead the lynch, and I think his play in general have been pretty much towny through and through. He is also posting way more than he is doing in his scumgames (tho I think he is aware of this meta, so might not be that much of a tell).
Aqua was also early on the lynch, and made his own case for it. I like his posts in general, feels like he is really trying to solve the game.
JayB is town because his blueclaim and his N1 play.
Can you take some quotes from his N1 play and explain why you think those make him town?
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On February 13 2014 17:25 suki wrote:
calling it a total tunnel is a misrepresentation of my activity towards Jay and my participation throughout the rest of the game.
Anyway, if LM flips town, who would you lynch?
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As scum I'm more calculated, I have reasons for doing things and pressuring people. I have a plan. I can't remember who said it, maybe marv or rayn. They said my scum game was really good, but robotic, calculating. That my town game is a lot more affected by the flow of the game.
Also I've never hard tunneled as scum. It's too hard and it draws too much attention. Like, look at where I am right now, top scum suspect. If I'm as good at scum as people say, I'd have set myself up MUCH better than this.
Also I'm less active as scum because I like to calculate my moves. You'll notice in my most recent scum game I pretty much never conversed with people. Why? Because it's harder to be consistent if you have to think on your feet.
So like. Start looking at other people because there's no way I'm scum this game.
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So having read LI I have this observation to make about Suki's scum meta: she is not afraid to analyse the thread with some accuracy, to give out townreads to townies, and to call out her scumbuddies for doing scummy things.
...I could just about see this game as being her scumgame. I think it would be a slightly better scumgame than LI, but not an impossible improvement.
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@suki: Why do you think you are the top scum suspect when there are currently zero votes for you?
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If LM flips town.....
Coag. probably. Still hoping he comes out today and posts reads. His activity against sidesprang looks really town but aside from that he just has no contributions... the reason we read him as town is because he doesn't put effort in as scum.. Well, this amount of effort wouldn't be hard to fake if he just randomly decided he wanted to win as scum.
I put Coag over Hopeless because Hopeless' play makes no sense for a scum planning for late game. He still has two mislynches to go and yet he's townreading everyone except me, his one scum pick. Makes sense as town, not as scum.
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Aqua, I never said that I was top scum suspect?
I just see a lot of pressure coming from LoneMeow and Hopeless and I'm trying to address the points brought against me.
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On February 13 2014 17:30 suki wrote:
Like, look at where I am right now, top scum suspect.
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On February 13 2014 17:34 suki wrote:
I put Coag over Hopeless because Hopeless' play makes no sense for a scum planning for late game. He still has two mislynches to go and yet he's townreading everyone except me, his one scum pick. Makes sense as town, not as scum.
So based on this weak WIFOMy logic you just ignore everything else about him? If you ignore the "kamikaze, makes no sense" argument for a moment, would he be scummy or not?
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Ah. I stand corrected then. Still, there's a lot of pressure on me and it's been this sort of nagging constant the whole game.
Like, from the start people were like suki could be scum she's really good at it. I just don't see what I could have done differently that would have made people not see me as scummy.
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If I ignore his Day 3 'kamikaze no plan for the future' play, then he looks worse than LoneMeow, as per my case in N2:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 13 2014 00:41 suki wrote:Hopeless: Hopeless is way more active than last game. I was going to say that this points to him being more town but actually thinking about it, he was pretty active at the end of Day 1 last game, active enough to convince people he was town. I was also going to say he's more light-hearted but actually his tone seems about the same (minus the reboot pic that he posted when his wireless conked out which is null imo). He hard pushes Jay as the lynch on Day 1: Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 10:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont like jayb..so forced and trivial. Like in a too-scummy-to-be-scum way. I actually liked the way he pressured and thought it was townie. and then he randomly votes Jonny: Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 23:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On February 08 2014 23:29 Koshi wrote:On February 08 2014 23:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 08 2014 23:02 Koshi wrote:
You never sheep.
Was is dis? I sheep all the time, I just dont say im sheeping  Not at all. Did.you agree with Hopeless read on you?How sure are you about jonny red flip? Of course he disagrees with me, he's scum Koshi. /sarcasm I may not be back before deadline, family stuff. I'll try to keep updated by phone ##Unvote
##Vote: JonnyLaw So yeah it's a bit strange. Pushes Jay the whole game, I'm stilll hard pushing Jay. Suddenly he votes Jonny with no explanation. Hopeless then posts his big scum theory on me, which is the biggest effort he's put all game (and which I felt was a big point in his favour). However, scum COULD have written it so let's look into his follow up... ... .. He completely forgets about it. That's really weird. Putting so much effort into calling someone scum and then not even following up. He gets sidetracked on Coag when thread sentiment is headed that way. He also seems to still be seeing Jay as scummy, reaffirmed that Jay's quote was not a blue claim, but isn't pushing Jay either. Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 08:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
i kinda still like suki for scum because of her meta-reading of sidesprang being so out to lunch. What about Hopeless' meta read on me? What about my 'bad' case on Jay? What about avoiding Jonny's scum games? About 'wait-and-see' with Jonny? Defending Jonny? Somehow, Hopeless went from suki is scum I have a huge case with actual valid points to, 'i kinda still like suki for scum' with no explanation in between. He also didn't talk about sidesprang yesterday and instead of pushing me or Jay just went with effectively a policy lynch. ConclusionI agree with Aqua, Hopeless looks a lot more scummy than LoneMeow. He's my number one scum read at the moment.
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One thing that kinda struck me as odd recently was Hopeless was trying to push me as scummy because my Day 2 was only 1/3 of my filter.
Aqua questions him on it and he's like:
On February 13 2014 07:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
activity falling off cliffs is not scummy to you aqua?
But just now he said:
On February 13 2014 12:52 Hopeless1der wrote:
a large portion of it is that I "forgot" about my scumread on suki which is patently untrue. I grew incredibly apathetic due to coag's behavior and stopped playing for the most part. Aside from that, people calling me scum are playing the game. I look bad, I never commented on sprang and scarcely commented on Jonny. When calling me scum, it only means you are wrong, not bad. That's my fault, but meh we're doing so well I doubt it'll matter in the end.
So it's kind of hypocritical...
mm...
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Anyways it's ridiculously late here, I should be able to find time in the morning to hop on here.
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On February 13 2014 17:43 suki wrote:If I ignore his Day 3 'kamikaze no plan for the future' play, then he looks worse than LoneMeow, as per my case in N2: + Show Spoiler +On February 13 2014 00:41 suki wrote:Hopeless: Hopeless is way more active than last game. I was going to say that this points to him being more town but actually thinking about it, he was pretty active at the end of Day 1 last game, active enough to convince people he was town. I was also going to say he's more light-hearted but actually his tone seems about the same (minus the reboot pic that he posted when his wireless conked out which is null imo). He hard pushes Jay as the lynch on Day 1: Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 10:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont like jayb..so forced and trivial. Like in a too-scummy-to-be-scum way. I actually liked the way he pressured and thought it was townie. and then he randomly votes Jonny: Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 23:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On February 08 2014 23:29 Koshi wrote:On February 08 2014 23:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 08 2014 23:02 Koshi wrote:
You never sheep.
Was is dis? I sheep all the time, I just dont say im sheeping Not at all. Did.you agree with Hopeless read on you?How sure are you about jonny red flip? Of course he disagrees with me, he's scum Koshi. /sarcasm I may not be back before deadline, family stuff. I'll try to keep updated by phone ##Unvote
##Vote: JonnyLaw So yeah it's a bit strange. Pushes Jay the whole game, I'm stilll hard pushing Jay. Suddenly he votes Jonny with no explanation. Hopeless then posts his big scum theory on me, which is the biggest effort he's put all game (and which I felt was a big point in his favour). However, scum COULD have written it so let's look into his follow up... ... .. He completely forgets about it. That's really weird. Putting so much effort into calling someone scum and then not even following up. He gets sidetracked on Coag when thread sentiment is headed that way. He also seems to still be seeing Jay as scummy, reaffirmed that Jay's quote was not a blue claim, but isn't pushing Jay either. Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 08:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
i kinda still like suki for scum because of her meta-reading of sidesprang being so out to lunch. What about Hopeless' meta read on me? What about my 'bad' case on Jay? What about avoiding Jonny's scum games? About 'wait-and-see' with Jonny? Defending Jonny? Somehow, Hopeless went from suki is scum I have a huge case with actual valid points to, 'i kinda still like suki for scum' with no explanation in between. He also didn't talk about sidesprang yesterday and instead of pushing me or Jay just went with effectively a policy lynch. ConclusionI agree with Aqua, Hopeless looks a lot more scummy than LoneMeow. He's my number one scum read at the moment.
So does the "kamikaze" logic hold water? Are those really town reads he can't back out of if you are lynched and flip town?
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