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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
September 22 2013 22:43 GMT
#1561
So, who are the lynch candidates worth looking into right now? Ray/Koshi/?... I won't be here for the lynch (impossible time for me) so I will have to find a target soon.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 22 2013 22:43 GMT
#1562
Nope he's a computer guy. Checked the blogs, lol.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 22 2013 22:44 GMT
#1563
On September 23 2013 07:39 marvellosity wrote:
Btw, I'm not sure what I make of DP read-wise, and I highly, highly doubt I'd push for his lynch today, so I'm not sure how productive it is to talk about it now, especially as he's not here to explain it himself.

Well as we're nearing deadline, who do you think the topics of conversation should be?
LM/Ray? Anyone else?

I wouldn't be surprised if it comes down to those two and they both end up simply being newbie town, and I don't feel good about that.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 22 2013 22:44 GMT
#1564
On September 23 2013 07:43 justanothertownie wrote:
So, who are the lynch candidates worth looking into right now? Ray/Koshi/?... I won't be here for the lynch (impossible time for me) so I will have to find a target soon.

Don't lynch Koshi. He is town.
I had a good night of sleep.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
September 22 2013 22:45 GMT
#1565
On September 23 2013 07:35 marvellosity wrote:
Thanks Stutters. I can't even explain why I asked you that very well, but yeah. Thanks anyway haha.

Given the Ray/LM interactions, what does that do to your read on both of them?


Basically doesn't change my opinion of LM, but I'd say Ray looks a lot better from it Not saying it's impossible they're both mafia, but that interaction doesn't feel staged.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 22 2013 22:45 GMT
#1566
If people don't feel good about lynching Ray, I'd be more than happy leading the gallows to Mocsta.
Writer@WriterYamato
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 22 2013 22:46 GMT
#1567
On September 23 2013 07:45 yamato77 wrote:
If people don't feel good about lynching Ray, I'd be more than happy leading the gallows to Mocsta.

Yes! He posted a baby seal and it is against the law to post babyseals when you are town.
I had a good night of sleep.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
September 22 2013 22:47 GMT
#1568
On September 23 2013 07:44 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 07:43 justanothertownie wrote:
So, who are the lynch candidates worth looking into right now? Ray/Koshi/?... I won't be here for the lynch (impossible time for me) so I will have to find a target soon.

Don't lynch Koshi. He is town.

Sorry, coming from you that is not very convincing.^^
I am really missing your aggressive light hearted playstyle. You seem to be very passive this game.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 22 2013 22:47 GMT
#1569
On September 23 2013 07:30 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 07:25 Chairman Ray wrote:
On September 23 2013 07:00 yamato77 wrote:
Chairman Ray, not Rayn.

Yes, I think I can get him lynched.


Since we still have a few hours left, I would like to discuss the reads you have one me right now so I don't get voted on impulse very last second.

I don't buy your reasoning on why I should be the one lynched. I think that anyone can make any sort of opening post, whether they are scum or town. So what if there's one mafia in one of your previous games that made a terrible first post? In your history of mafia, has there never been a town that made a terrible first post? Also, what is your opinion on my reads so far? I appreciate that you commented on my LM read, and hopefully I managed to answer your question. I hope that maybe we could discuss things a bit more rather than you just shrugging off my reads as poor attempts of scumhunting.

Right now I think there are far better people to lynch, like koshi. I just f5ed the thread, and he still hasn't made any mention on why he's voting me. I respect you for voting me, and following up with a lot of good analysis and valid questions, but all koshi did was vote me in the voting thread, and never even mentioned it here. What's that's supposed to accomplish? It doesn't put any more pressure on me, it doesn't give any information, or anything. He's probably hoping that it would go unnoticed. I'm starting to think that he's scum and he's joining the bandwagon on me.

I explained that Koshi said he was sheeping me in voting you; this is not something that is extraordinary for town Koshi to do, in my opinion. If you think he's scum, what other reasoning would you put forward to justify this read, aside from that?

Town make bad posts, yes, but scum make posts like yours. It's not a singular game of experience that I draw from, it is from vast experience in 20+ mafia games of my own in addition to the wonderful analysis Ver gave of my own opening post as scum in Sicilian that made me rethink how I view starting posts.


You have a lot of history with koshi, but this is my first time playing with him. With that being given, do you think my read on him was reasonable? Right now, I still believe koshi may be scum. I might be willing to accept that he just followed your vote in the first place, but he's active in this thread right now, I'm inviting him to give me some analysis on why he's voting me, and there still hasn't been anything yet.

I still disagree with your analysis on my first post. You may have an extensive experience, but that doesn't mean you are correct. In this case, you definitely do have a misread on me, but I hope that we can resolve that now instead of post game. At the same time, I made a lot of rookie mistakes that caused you to have such a strong scumread on me. I would like to win this game so if there's any way that I could make myself easier to read for you and everyone else here, feel free to say it. If I could improve now, that may mean the difference between a win and a loss. Otherwise I'll probably be seeking your help postgame.

Right now my radar is still on koshi despite you disagreeing with me. However if you are confident that he's town, then I could use some of your analysis as well on why he is, so I have a more educated vote. I still would like to hear from koshi on why he's voting me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 22 2013 22:48 GMT
#1570
On September 23 2013 07:44 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 07:43 justanothertownie wrote:
So, who are the lynch candidates worth looking into right now? Ray/Koshi/?... I won't be here for the lynch (impossible time for me) so I will have to find a target soon.

Don't lynch Koshi. He is town.


Koshi, why are you STILL passive as fuck?

You promised us a whirlwind of activity.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 22 2013 22:48 GMT
#1571
On September 23 2013 07:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 07:44 Koshi wrote:
On September 23 2013 07:43 justanothertownie wrote:
So, who are the lynch candidates worth looking into right now? Ray/Koshi/?... I won't be here for the lynch (impossible time for me) so I will have to find a target soon.

Don't lynch Koshi. He is town.

Sorry, coming from you that is not very convincing.^^
I am really missing your aggressive light hearted playstyle. You seem to be very passive this game.

Why can't I be town without being aggressive & light hearted?
I had a good night of sleep.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 22 2013 22:50 GMT
#1572
On September 23 2013 07:47 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 07:30 yamato77 wrote:
On September 23 2013 07:25 Chairman Ray wrote:
On September 23 2013 07:00 yamato77 wrote:
Chairman Ray, not Rayn.

Yes, I think I can get him lynched.


Since we still have a few hours left, I would like to discuss the reads you have one me right now so I don't get voted on impulse very last second.

I don't buy your reasoning on why I should be the one lynched. I think that anyone can make any sort of opening post, whether they are scum or town. So what if there's one mafia in one of your previous games that made a terrible first post? In your history of mafia, has there never been a town that made a terrible first post? Also, what is your opinion on my reads so far? I appreciate that you commented on my LM read, and hopefully I managed to answer your question. I hope that maybe we could discuss things a bit more rather than you just shrugging off my reads as poor attempts of scumhunting.

Right now I think there are far better people to lynch, like koshi. I just f5ed the thread, and he still hasn't made any mention on why he's voting me. I respect you for voting me, and following up with a lot of good analysis and valid questions, but all koshi did was vote me in the voting thread, and never even mentioned it here. What's that's supposed to accomplish? It doesn't put any more pressure on me, it doesn't give any information, or anything. He's probably hoping that it would go unnoticed. I'm starting to think that he's scum and he's joining the bandwagon on me.

I explained that Koshi said he was sheeping me in voting you; this is not something that is extraordinary for town Koshi to do, in my opinion. If you think he's scum, what other reasoning would you put forward to justify this read, aside from that?

Town make bad posts, yes, but scum make posts like yours. It's not a singular game of experience that I draw from, it is from vast experience in 20+ mafia games of my own in addition to the wonderful analysis Ver gave of my own opening post as scum in Sicilian that made me rethink how I view starting posts.


You have a lot of history with koshi, but this is my first time playing with him. With that being given, do you think my read on him was reasonable? Right now, I still believe koshi may be scum. I might be willing to accept that he just followed your vote in the first place, but he's active in this thread right now, I'm inviting him to give me some analysis on why he's voting me, and there still hasn't been anything yet.

I still disagree with your analysis on my first post. You may have an extensive experience, but that doesn't mean you are correct. In this case, you definitely do have a misread on me, but I hope that we can resolve that now instead of post game. At the same time, I made a lot of rookie mistakes that caused you to have such a strong scumread on me. I would like to win this game so if there's any way that I could make myself easier to read for you and everyone else here, feel free to say it. If I could improve now, that may mean the difference between a win and a loss. Otherwise I'll probably be seeking your help postgame.

Right now my radar is still on koshi despite you disagreeing with me. However if you are confident that he's town, then I could use some of your analysis as well on why he is, so I have a more educated vote. I still would like to hear from koshi on why he's voting me.

This is a reasonable position, we may yet work from here.

Koshi, do you have any other reason for voting Ray than because you think I am town? I am not infallible.
Writer@WriterYamato
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 22 2013 22:50 GMT
#1573
On September 23 2013 07:24 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 07:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 23 2013 07:22 Koshi wrote:
Also people know you want to lynch me rayn. What are your other reads?

Sentinel, Chairman Ray, Risen.

Cool.
Chairman Ray wants to lynch me.
Now look at your townreads. Do they want to lynch me?

Is mocsta a townread for you? Is VA?

wtf has my townreads / Chariman Ray wanting/not wanting to lynch you have to do with your alignment (or his alignment)?
Whenever has VA wanted to lynch you?
I don't have a scumread on Mocsta atm, can't say he's town either.

Btw when did you exactly drop your scumread on WoS and why?
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 22 2013 22:50 GMT
#1574
On September 23 2013 07:47 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 07:30 yamato77 wrote:
On September 23 2013 07:25 Chairman Ray wrote:
On September 23 2013 07:00 yamato77 wrote:
Chairman Ray, not Rayn.

Yes, I think I can get him lynched.


Since we still have a few hours left, I would like to discuss the reads you have one me right now so I don't get voted on impulse very last second.

I don't buy your reasoning on why I should be the one lynched. I think that anyone can make any sort of opening post, whether they are scum or town. So what if there's one mafia in one of your previous games that made a terrible first post? In your history of mafia, has there never been a town that made a terrible first post? Also, what is your opinion on my reads so far? I appreciate that you commented on my LM read, and hopefully I managed to answer your question. I hope that maybe we could discuss things a bit more rather than you just shrugging off my reads as poor attempts of scumhunting.

Right now I think there are far better people to lynch, like koshi. I just f5ed the thread, and he still hasn't made any mention on why he's voting me. I respect you for voting me, and following up with a lot of good analysis and valid questions, but all koshi did was vote me in the voting thread, and never even mentioned it here. What's that's supposed to accomplish? It doesn't put any more pressure on me, it doesn't give any information, or anything. He's probably hoping that it would go unnoticed. I'm starting to think that he's scum and he's joining the bandwagon on me.

I explained that Koshi said he was sheeping me in voting you; this is not something that is extraordinary for town Koshi to do, in my opinion. If you think he's scum, what other reasoning would you put forward to justify this read, aside from that?

Town make bad posts, yes, but scum make posts like yours. It's not a singular game of experience that I draw from, it is from vast experience in 20+ mafia games of my own in addition to the wonderful analysis Ver gave of my own opening post as scum in Sicilian that made me rethink how I view starting posts.


You have a lot of history with koshi, but this is my first time playing with him. With that being given, do you think my read on him was reasonable? Right now, I still believe koshi may be scum. I might be willing to accept that he just followed your vote in the first place, but he's active in this thread right now, I'm inviting him to give me some analysis on why he's voting me, and there still hasn't been anything yet.

I still disagree with your analysis on my first post. You may have an extensive experience, but that doesn't mean you are correct. In this case, you definitely do have a misread on me, but I hope that we can resolve that now instead of post game. At the same time, I made a lot of rookie mistakes that caused you to have such a strong scumread on me. I would like to win this game so if there's any way that I could make myself easier to read for you and everyone else here, feel free to say it. If I could improve now, that may mean the difference between a win and a loss. Otherwise I'll probably be seeking your help postgame.

Right now my radar is still on koshi despite you disagreeing with me. However if you are confident that he's town, then I could use some of your analysis as well on why he is, so I have a more educated vote. I still would like to hear from koshi on why he's voting me.

How can you be still on me? You had 2 reasons to be on me?
1) I voted you without reason
Answer: I voted you because I sheeped total townread yamato. People that think yamato is scum are not very intelligent.
2) I asked for consolidation and you thought that was bad for town.
Anwser: It isn't bad for town.

So your 2 shitty reasons were denied and you are still on me? wtf is that all about?
I had a good night of sleep.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 22 2013 22:51 GMT
#1575
On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try.

Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though.

##Vote: Umasi

Here for a while if you want to ask me something.


By the way, this is total bullshit.

On June 11 2013 05:11 LoneMeow wrote:

Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 23:43 LoneMeow wrote:
I'm really not so sure about StiMaDDict anymore, though, I'm more tempted to think one of Umasi/Xzavier is a better candidate. Umasi has been relatively noncommittal and sheeping a lot for the whole game, while Xzavier's actions since the Firere345 lynch have been almost non-existent which is very suspicious given how he was one of the driving forces for discussion during day 1. The problem here is, I think only one of them is scum but I can't tell which.


Still can't really tell which, though if I had to choose I'd pick Umasi. Both being scum is also possible but I don't consider that super likely right now.

##Vote: Umasi


This is the only time (as town) LoneMeow has ever mentioned Umasi. "Notoriously biased" based on this? Really?!
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 22 2013 22:51 GMT
#1576
Unvoting LM as he's probably sleeping now

##Unvote

I'll brb in an hour or so
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
September 22 2013 22:53 GMT
#1577
On September 23 2013 07:48 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 07:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 23 2013 07:44 Koshi wrote:
On September 23 2013 07:43 justanothertownie wrote:
So, who are the lynch candidates worth looking into right now? Ray/Koshi/?... I won't be here for the lynch (impossible time for me) so I will have to find a target soon.

Don't lynch Koshi. He is town.

Sorry, coming from you that is not very convincing.^^
I am really missing your aggressive light hearted playstyle. You seem to be very passive this game.

Why can't I be town without being aggressive & light hearted?

I don't know if you can - I didn't play with scum Koshi. It just doesn't feel like the town Koshi I know.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 22 2013 22:54 GMT
#1578
Talk to us about Mocsta.

I've re-read through Sentinel three times and I'm seeing the bigger picture here, gonna unvote him. He's at least talking and while his vote towards Yamato is weak, his previous votes are all fine for what they are. I also buy his response regarding the vote thing.

##unvote: [UoN]Sentinel
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 22 2013 22:56 GMT
#1579
On September 23 2013 07:54 ObviousOne wrote:
Talk to us about Mocsta.

I've re-read through Sentinel three times and I'm seeing the bigger picture here, gonna unvote him. He's at least talking and while his vote towards Yamato is weak, his previous votes are all fine for what they are. I also buy his response regarding the vote thing.

##unvote: [UoN]Sentinel

Read my posts about Mocsta. Do you agree or disagree with my evaluation of his play and its implications?
Writer@WriterYamato
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 22 2013 22:57 GMT
#1580
I just popped his filter, let me run through that and then yours.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
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