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DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
November 29 2010 20:14 GMT
#1541
Am I missing something? Why is Ace KoW? If what he claimed is true: Unlynchable, but loses when he loses a province (which is what you seem to be basing your logic on) then I don't see why KoW would be a reasonable guess. If I had that ability/drawback then I would be sure to defend every single night.
I can already see the ending
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9767 Posts
November 29 2010 20:30 GMT
#1542
On November 30 2010 05:14 DCLXVI wrote:
Am I missing something? Why is Ace KoW? If what he claimed is true: Unlynchable, but loses when he loses a province (which is what you seem to be basing your logic on) then I don't see why KoW would be a reasonable guess. If I had that ability/drawback then I would be sure to defend every single night.

But if you're mafia and have friends aiding you every night it's not much of a problem, is it?
boomer hands
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 29 2010 20:33 GMT
#1543
On November 30 2010 04:28 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 03:46 ~OpZ~ wrote:
can we just name claim countries and lynxh kingdom of whoring?

Kingdom of Whoring is Ace, and he's unlynchable.

Ace is defiantly scum, it's who his buddies are.


prove it, scum.

And what's going on in that little 3rd faction of yours? Lexpar didn't fall asleep at the wheel did he?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 29 2010 20:34 GMT
#1544
On November 30 2010 05:30 seRapH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 05:14 DCLXVI wrote:
Am I missing something? Why is Ace KoW? If what he claimed is true: Unlynchable, but loses when he loses a province (which is what you seem to be basing your logic on) then I don't see why KoW would be a reasonable guess. If I had that ability/drawback then I would be sure to defend every single night.

But if you're mafia and have friends aiding you every night it's not much of a problem, is it?


I'm not scum and I haven't received an ounce of aid from anyone all game. The people that know my role know exactly why it's hard to just press attack and rip through my little country. But hey keep guessing where I'm located, it makes for good table discussion.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
November 29 2010 21:20 GMT
#1545
Holy crap I made a mistake:

21 was taken by Chintasia.

Sorry for my inactivity I have finals bleh
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 29 2010 21:28 GMT
#1546
SIFZ IS ON THE MOVE! LOOK OUT!
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
November 29 2010 22:04 GMT
#1547
Updated map with the new information:

[image loading]
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 29 2010 22:43 GMT
#1548
kingjames can you give us map night by night?
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 29 2010 22:47 GMT
#1549
Why Ace is KoW and therefore scum

Ace claimed that he can't be lynched. He only can die if he looses territory.

Here is the list of countries that have not lost any provinces that are outside SIFZ
  • 1 The Glorious Knee- Claimed to Chez. Is not Ace
  • 19 Nation in Dispair - Privatly claimed
  • 10 New Aiur- Claimed by Pandain
  • 13- Kingdom of Whoring- ???
  • 21- Shark Park- Claimed by Loanshark.


From process of elimination, we can see that Ace is country 13.

However, remember this post
On November 17 2010 10:34 LSB wrote:
We have reached contact with Land of Preemptive Retaliation (17)
Last night, country 17 attacked country 13.

Interestingly enough, the attack failed.

Given that country 13 had attacked country 11. This means two things
  • Country 13 is a solider
  • Country 13 received support from a neighbor country


Although we do not know who country 13 is, SIFZ was asked to release this information anonymously so we did.

Tread Carefully,
LSB


Remember. Ace cannot be an elite solider as we already know his role. Unlynchable.
Therefore Ace must have received some kind of protection from a scumbuddy.

There are 5 countries that could have given protection to Ace

Countries 17, 16, 15, 12, 11. Ace eventually took over countries 17, 11, so they probably aren't mafia.

In addition, the original country 15 and country 16 have both died. I believe these two countries are drag_ and Kenpachi.

This leaves one country. NoLanPlan. I have narrowed down the suspects of NoLanPlan to CubEdIn and Veldril. CubEdIn and Veldril are either NoLanPlan or Hojo House.

What we have to do
  • Take out Ace- People should be attacking Ace.
  • Take out NoLanPlan.

Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 29 2010 23:24 GMT
#1550
Um OpZ, nolanplan is a country, I believe it belongs to CubEdIn.

Veldril has been oftly quiet about the northern countries in his anlysis of what happened. Veldril has been oftly quiet, not doing much.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
November 29 2010 23:41 GMT
#1551
Day 1:
+ Show Spoiler +
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Day 2:
+ Show Spoiler +
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Day 3:
+ Show Spoiler +
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Day 4:
+ Show Spoiler +
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Night 4:
+ Show Spoiler +
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Day 5:
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Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
November 29 2010 23:41 GMT
#1552
On November 29 2010 09:24 LSB wrote:
[image loading]
SIFZ intel release

Ace claimed that he can't be lynched. He only can die if he looses territory.

Here is the list of countries that have not lost any provinces that are outside SIFZ
  • 1 The Glorious Knee- Claimed to Chez. Is not Ace
  • 19 Nation in Dispair - Privatly claimed
  • 10 New Aiur- Claimed by Pandain
  • 13- Kingdom of Whoring- ???
  • 21- Shark Park- Claimed by Loanshark.


From process of elimination, we can see that Ace is country 13.
Ace, would you like to deny this claim? If you do, what country are you?

However, remember this post
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2010 10:34 LSB wrote:
SIFZ Intel Release

[image loading]
We have reached contact with Land of Preemptive Retaliation (17)
Last night, country 17 attacked country 13.

Interestingly enough, the attack failed.

Given that country 13 had attacked country 11. This means two things
  • Country 13 is a solider
  • Country 13 received support from a neighbor country


Although we do not know who country 13 is, SIFZ was asked to release this information anonymously so we did.

Tread Carefully,
LSB


Remember. Ace cannot be an elite solider as we already know his role. Unlynchable.
Therefore Ace must have received some kind of protection from a scumbuddy.

There are 5 countries that could have given protection to Ace

Countries 17, 16, 15, 12, 11. Ace eventually took over countries 17, 11, so they probably aren't mafia.

In addition, the original country 15 and country 16 have both died. I believe these two countries are drag_ and Kenpachi.

This leaves one country. NoLanPlan. I have narrowed down the suspects of NoLanPlan to CubEdIn and Veldril. CubEdIn and Veldril are either NoLanPlan or Hojo House.

What we have to do
  • Take out Ace- People should be attacking Ace.
  • Take out NoLanPlan.



Tread Carefully,
LSB


On November 30 2010 07:47 LSB wrote:
Why Ace is KoW and therefore scum

Ace claimed that he can't be lynched. He only can die if he looses territory.

Here is the list of countries that have not lost any provinces that are outside SIFZ
  • 1 The Glorious Knee- Claimed to Chez. Is not Ace
  • 19 Nation in Dispair - Privatly claimed
  • 10 New Aiur- Claimed by Pandain
  • 13- Kingdom of Whoring- ???
  • 21- Shark Park- Claimed by Loanshark.


From process of elimination, we can see that Ace is country 13.

However, remember this post
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2010 10:34 LSB wrote:
We have reached contact with Land of Preemptive Retaliation (17)
Last night, country 17 attacked country 13.

Interestingly enough, the attack failed.

Given that country 13 had attacked country 11. This means two things
  • Country 13 is a solider
  • Country 13 received support from a neighbor country


Although we do not know who country 13 is, SIFZ was asked to release this information anonymously so we did.

Tread Carefully,
LSB


Remember. Ace cannot be an elite solider as we already know his role. Unlynchable.
Therefore Ace must have received some kind of protection from a scumbuddy.

There are 5 countries that could have given protection to Ace

Countries 17, 16, 15, 12, 11. Ace eventually took over countries 17, 11, so they probably aren't mafia.

In addition, the original country 15 and country 16 have both died. I believe these two countries are drag_ and Kenpachi.

This leaves one country. NoLanPlan. I have narrowed down the suspects of NoLanPlan to CubEdIn and Veldril. CubEdIn and Veldril are either NoLanPlan or Hojo House.

What we have to do
  • Take out Ace- People should be attacking Ace.
  • Take out NoLanPlan.


LSB had actually posted this a while ago. Scum ignored it completely, as did Ace, if anyone noticed. Suddenly the thread became a bastion of activity. Honestly, I'm fine with Cubedin or veldril, because he hasn't posted to defend himself, AND the fact that activity spiked to cover it.

Noticeables were DLC

Also, if he isn't mafia, then SIFZ is highly suspicous to me again, and I would recommend any navy to hit one tonight. Got to keep the balance of votes on the different sides of the alliance even. Noticed the beginning of a push for loanshark, who got attacked. SIFZ is vote grabbing too. That's Ace's argument, which I agree with. So they need to be checked too.

Now with that said. Why LSBs plan makes sense to me. Kingdom of Whoring is almost blatant mafia if LSB was telling the truth. Or province 17 is atleast. But regardless. Kingdom of Whoring received Aid early on, and those are the two provinces that are next to it that are still alive. And with how aggressive Kingdom of Whoring has been, you have to know he is receiving protection constantly. Yea. I believe that cluster of countries is mafia. LSB has gotten enough claims crossed over the map and should post all spots. So we need to lynch the people in that spot. That's why we need province claims

Who was province 17 LSB?
And we should be lynching cubedin or veldril
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
November 29 2010 23:52 GMT
#1553
And also, I don't know if I'm ready to believe Ace is unlynchable. He might be able to survive one, but do you really think two?

-__-
I want Kingdom of Whoring to claim.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9767 Posts
November 30 2010 00:12 GMT
#1554
I agree with taking out 17. If KoW isn't claimed by the end of the day, there should be an effort to annihilate it. With its huge borders I'm sure SOMEONE must have gunpowder nearby... right?
boomer hands
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
November 30 2010 04:44 GMT
#1555
@LSB
so you are saying that Night 1, country 17 claimed to attack 13 but that failed. You guess that 13 must have protection so you narrow down the suspects to (11), 12, 15, and 16. 13 attacked 11 so that is absurdly unlikely, 15 and16 we know nothing about so you just ignore them, and 12 attacked 7. So you come to the conclusion that 12(nolanplan) must have defended 13? Are you saying that 12 used his elite soldier power Night 1?
Also I believe your lists of possible Ace countries should not include Nation in Despair, it lost a province Night 2.
I can already see the ending
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
November 30 2010 06:04 GMT
#1556
Opz, province 17 claimed to me early in the game when he was still alive. He told me the same thing LSB speaks of. That's why I've been trying to kill KoW for a long time..Things just aren't working out..
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 30 2010 06:34 GMT
#1557
Why is it that every time I give some attention to LSB and SIFZ's blatant plan to form a 3rd faction you guys go off and try to lynch someone who hasn't been shown to be scum?

Stop letting them off the hook!
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 30 2010 06:37 GMT
#1558
oh nice, Nemesis, another golem of SIFZ comes in and ninja votes Cubedin. You guys sure aren't bagging on him for being inactive though huh?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
November 30 2010 08:32 GMT
#1559
Who the hell is Chintasia?

Anyways, I'm personally glad to see people not voting me anymore, do you guys accept me as town now?
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
November 30 2010 09:14 GMT
#1560
I'm not inactive, well, not more than others anyway.
And as I said, I'll keep posting this, maybe some non-mafias will wake up after they lynch another green:


However, when I turn out green (which I will), I want you ALL to think about this:

1. KJ asked me (and I bet it wasn't just me) to try and save Ace, and lynch annul instead. His reasoning was "help the town". Shortly after (since Ace was unlynchable) KJ got assassinated. This leads me to believe that what he was saying made someone angry. My guess is someone who is associated with annul, or annul himself. Which is why, if I die, just think about this.

2. Ace's role doesn't sound like Mafia to me. It could be, but it would seem very overpowered as scum. So I'm gonna guess he's town. I made my decision regarding this from the beginning, and I claimed to him during the first days of the game.
Assuming he is town, and that he is right, then SIFZ is dirty. Not all of you, sure, but it seems like there are a lot of "mindless sheep" in this game (i.e. people who vote without actually bringing their own arguments to the discussion), maybe because they don't care, they're noobs, or they're scum. Either way, screw that. If there is a scum if SIFZ then there's a high chance that he is LSB. He's very pushy and seems to drag the alliance behind him. What point is there to attack countries when you can just ask 5+ people to vote for who you want dead and they'll do it?
Sorry LSB, but even if you're town your not, I don't believe that people should follow your reasoning blindly.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
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