EPTOn November 30 2010 09:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
## vote Cubedin
## vote Cubedin
...I am disappoint!
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
Remember Insane mafia? People kept letting Pandain off the hook for no good reason. This is something like that, but worse. Basically there's Ace, who is trying to wake everyone up, and then the LSB buddies, who just point fingers to people who will get lynched. Scenario A: Ace is mafia - he will eventually die, probably very soon, no harm done. Scenario B: LSB and/or most of SIFZ is mafia - town loses game horribly because everyone follows. Good luck with that. | ||
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
From the look of things he is by himself, no one is supporting him. He's not a danger to town. But Ace is really the only effective resistance to a whole gang of people, and if some members of that gang don't have the town's best interests at heart and end up calling the shots, there's going to be a real situation. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
I made this vote earlier in the day. There is still plenty of time, I may change it. I'm just sick of not lynching people and letting mafia slip away, so I'd rather use the lynch than not use it. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 30 2010 18:41 Loanshark wrote: That's why I think it's not really imperative that we kill Ace fast. From the look of things he is by himself, no one is supporting him. He's not a danger to town. But Ace is really the only effective resistance to a whole gang of people, and if some members of that gang don't have the town's best interests at heart and end up calling the shots, there's going to be a real situation. The funny thing is if you notice they are using the argument of players being "inactive" but when I mention Lexpar and Nemesis they won't even bother to bat an eye lash. Notice they also never denied that SIFZ is really a 3rd faction. People need to wake up and start lynching every single member of SIFZ, and pop that stupid Missionary. | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On November 30 2010 15:37 Ace wrote: oh nice, Nemesis, another golem of SIFZ comes in and ninja votes Cubedin. You guys sure aren't bagging on him for being inactive though huh? I got some wrong information about loanshark before in pms which has been cleared now, which is why I voted for him. If you look at the actions of the previous days, you can see that Kingdom of Whoring definitely has allies and is most likely mafia. His ally is none other than NoLanPlan which LSB has deduced to be CubedIn. And lol at lynching SIFZ because they are possible third party.You are using the same argument that L did in Insane Mafia which is basically lynch Third Party instead of Mafia. I'd rather lynch mafia right now than possible third party. Once mafia power has weakened, then I would focus on third party. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
So you're whole entire argument boils down to: KoW must be scum and hasn't been hit so he must have allies - that ally is NPL - who is Cubedin so let's lynch Cubedin. Terrible logic. Didn't you guys say earlier that since Cubedin and Veldril weren't really active they are suspicious? Funny how that works out. A couple of days ago I called out some SIFZ members for being inactive and no one paid that sentiment any mind. Now you're trying to push for a lynch on "inactive" players - lol. Even funnier is that Cubedin posted an explanation which shows clearly he hasn't been inactive and you ignore it and still vote for him. Even worse you tried to pass it off as choice between Loanshark and Cubedin completely ignoring anyone even close to that SIFZ alliance. Why haven't you guys put so much weight in the thread about how 28 got popped from across the map? Why are you not going for a lynch on Lexpar if you were so worried about inactive players? He hasn't posted in how long and when he does he doesn't post anything worth reading. All in all you guys ARe a third faction. Not "possible faction" seeing as anyone not on that side of the island is a target for every lynch. When I bring up arguments mirroring your own like the fact that you have inactive players, Scum in SIFZ AND the fact that you are a 3rd party faction you bring up the same ole scare tactic: KoW must be scum, let's lynch the people we think are supporting him! And yet you have no idea who truly owns what on this side of the map. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
LSB's reasoning for NPL and KOW to be allied fails. On Night 1 NPL lost their original territory while gaining another. KOW gained a territory. There's no way that they can be allied in this scenario unless NPL is an Elite Soldier and sent aid to KoW. But that would be dumb now wouldn't it? NPL would aid KoW and risk being hit when neither of them have any idea about what could potentially happen Night 1. If they were Scum that would be a pretty damn stupid plan wouldn't it? Come on, you guys are making shit up now. | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On December 01 2010 01:48 Ace wrote: All in all you guys ARe a third faction. Not "possible faction" seeing as anyone not on that side of the island is a target for every lynch. When I bring up arguments mirroring your own like the fact that you have inactive players, Scum in SIFZ AND the fact that you are a 3rd party faction you bring up the same ole scare tactic: KoW must be scum, let's lynch the people we think are supporting him! And yet you have no idea who truly owns what on this side of the map. Lol who's using the scare tactic now? So SIFZ is scum and third party now? And I love how you just lump me together with SIFZ because I followed LSB's argument. Also, It hasn't been stated anywhere that CubedIn was being lynched for being inactive. You do have a good point on NoLanPlan though...I might have to rethink my vote on CubedIn. For now, I have to go though. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On December 01 2010 02:28 Nemesis wrote: Lol who's using the scare tactic now? So SIFZ is scum and third party now? And I love how you just lump me together with SIFZ because I followed LSB's argument. Also, It hasn't been stated anywhere that CubedIn was being lynched for being inactive. You do have a good point on NoLanPlan though...I might have to rethink my vote on CubedIn. For now, I have to go though. I believe what he is saying is that he thinks there is scum in SIFZ, and that members of SIFZ are in a third party. He does have a point though, any mention by SIFZ about inactivity is hypocritical. Zerroth was at 28, and before he was killed, I don't remember seeing him post much at all. Lexpar has also been very quiet. Also, you should be lumped together with SIFZ, seeing as you are in it. Also: On November 30 2010 13:44 DCLXVI wrote: @LSB so you are saying that Night 1, country 17 claimed to attack 13 but that failed. You guess that 13 must have protection so you narrow down the suspects to (11), 12, 15, and 16. 13 attacked 11 so that is absurdly unlikely, 15 and16 we know nothing about so you just ignore them, and 12 attacked 7. So you come to the conclusion that 12(nolanplan) must have defended 13? Are you saying that 12 used his elite soldier power Night 1? Also I believe your lists of possible Ace countries should not include Nation in Despair, it lost a province Night 2. This is a good point. We know nothing about the original 15 and 16, they could very well have been mafia, and LSB is just ignoring this. I think there is probably a fair chance that one would have been mafia. So now I'm not so sure NoLanPlan (Cube) would be scum. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
Real life suddenly becomes really busy (my professor is invited to write a text book so I have to review papers for him + original works), so I will need some time to catch up. Might finish reading the whole thing tomorrow or the day after. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On November 30 2010 13:44 DCLXVI wrote: @LSB so you are saying that Night 1, country 17 claimed to attack 13 but that failed. You guess that 13 must have protection so you narrow down the suspects to (11), 12, 15, and 16. 13 attacked 11 so that is absurdly unlikely, 15 and16 we know nothing about so you just ignore them, and 12 attacked 7. So you come to the conclusion that 12(nolanplan) must have defended 13? Are you saying that 12 used his elite soldier power Night 1? Also I believe your lists of possible Ace countries should not include Nation in Despair, it lost a province Night 2. Firstly 15 and 16 are already eliminated. This means that they are drag_ / Kenpachi. Drag_/Kenpachi were modkilled, but we also know that the territories did not change because they were modkilled. So they have to be 15 or 16. We already know that 15 and 16 are town. So this leaves us 12, nolanplan. And it looks like Nolanplan used his elite soldier power. Kk, I'll remove Nation in Despair. This also addresses this post + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2010 02:38 jcarlsoniv wrote: I believe what he is saying is that he thinks there is scum in SIFZ, and that members of SIFZ are in a third party. He does have a point though, any mention by SIFZ about inactivity is hypocritical. Zerroth was at 28, and before he was killed, I don't remember seeing him post much at all. Lexpar has also been very quiet. Also, you should be lumped together with SIFZ, seeing as you are in it. Also: This is a good point. We know nothing about the original 15 and 16, they could very well have been mafia, and LSB is just ignoring this. I think there is probably a fair chance that one would have been mafia. So now I'm not so sure NoLanPlan (Cube) would be scum. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On November 30 2010 15:34 Ace wrote: Why is it that every time I give some attention to LSB and SIFZ's blatant plan to form a 3rd faction you guys go off and try to lynch someone who hasn't been shown to be scum? Stop letting them off the hook! I showed that CubEdIn and you are scum. You don't defend yourself, instead you shower some Ad Hominem attack that isn't true in the first place. If you have some problem with my analysis, can you point it out? On November 30 2010 15:37 Ace wrote: oh nice, Nemesis, another golem of SIFZ comes in and ninja votes Cubedin. You guys sure aren't bagging on him for being inactive though huh? What does Activity have to do with anything? CubEdIn is scum because 1) Veldril is probably Hojo House. 2) He's been defending you suspiciously On December 01 2010 00:20 Ace wrote: The funny thing is if you notice they are using the argument of players being "inactive" but when I mention Lexpar and Nemesis they won't even bother to bat an eye lash. Notice they also never denied that SIFZ is really a 3rd faction. People need to wake up and start lynching every single member of SIFZ, and pop that stupid Missionary. Where are we using it? Can you show me? SIFZ is not a 3rd Faction. We can prove it to you tomorrow night if you want. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On December 01 2010 01:48 Ace wrote: So you're whole entire argument boils down to: KoW must be scum and hasn't been hit so he must have allies - that ally is NPL - who is Cubedin so let's lynch Cubedin. Terrible logic. Didn't you guys say earlier that since Cubedin and Veldril weren't really active they are suspicious? Funny how that works out. A couple of days ago I called out some SIFZ members for being inactive and no one paid that sentiment any mind. Now you're trying to push for a lynch on "inactive" players - lol. NO, our logic is. You must be KoW. Since you survived a hit, you must be Mafia. Or do you want to claim Elite Soilder? Even worse you tried to pass it off as choice between Loanshark and Cubedin completely ignoring anyone even close to that SIFZ alliance. Why haven't you guys put so much weight in the thread about how 28 got popped from across the map? Why are you not going for a lynch on Lexpar if you were so worried about inactive players? He hasn't posted in how long and when he does he doesn't post anything worth reading. Firstly, I don't know where your getting this inactive junk from. What's important is their actions. That's what we've been looking at. Secondly, we can deal with how 28 got popped in house. On the other hand, we found a scum (You). And now we are dealing with it. Are you discouraging us from scum hunting? Because that's all what you are saying. On December 01 2010 01:51 Ace wrote: oh I almost forgot lol - silly me! LSB's reasoning for NPL and KOW to be allied fails. On Night 1 NPL lost their original territory while gaining another. KOW gained a territory. There's no way that they can be allied in this scenario unless NPL is an Elite Soldier and sent aid to KoW. But that would be dumb now wouldn't it? NPL would aid KoW and risk being hit when neither of them have any idea about what could potentially happen Night 1. If they were Scum that would be a pretty damn stupid plan wouldn't it? Come on, you guys are making shit up now. ... Okay, NPL is Elite soldeir. He's Allies with KoW because they are mafia. What's your explination? | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On November 30 2010 18:24 CubEdIn wrote: Oh and one final thing: Remember Insane mafia? People kept letting Pandain off the hook for no good reason. This is something like that, but worse. Basically there's Ace, who is trying to wake everyone up, and then the LSB buddies, who just point fingers to people who will get lynched. Scenario A: Ace is mafia - he will eventually die, probably very soon, no harm done. Scenario B: LSB and/or most of SIFZ is mafia - town loses game horribly because everyone follows. Good luck with that. On November 30 2010 18:41 Loanshark wrote: That's why I think it's not really imperative that we kill Ace fast. From the look of things he is by himself, no one is supporting him. He's not a danger to town. But Ace is really the only effective resistance to a whole gang of people, and if some members of that gang don't have the town's best interests at heart and end up calling the shots, there's going to be a real situation. You guys are talking about when to kill Ace. We can't lynch him. The closest we can to is try to move OpZ close to Ace, this will take at least 2 nights before Ace falls. However, we can recognize that Ace is mafia, and then see what Ace is doing. As unlynchable Mafia, Ace has the ability to defend his scumbuddies without fear of reprisal. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
You also can't prove that NPL is has aided KOw as I've nicely debunked. Hiiiiiii you're entire argument for why KOW and NPL are scum just went to shit - oops! Oh cool, so now ~Opz~ is in your alliance. Sweet I see how this works - lynch anyone in another alliance while you try to take over the map. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On December 01 2010 05:51 Ace wrote: I'm defending Cubed because way early in the game he claimed to me and hasn't done anything to show that he is Scum. You also can't prove that NPL is has aided KOw as I've nicely debunked. Hiiiiiii you're entire argument for why KOW and NPL are scum just went to shit - oops! Oh cool, so now ~Opz~ is in your alliance. Sweet I see how this works - lynch anyone in another alliance while you try to take over the map. I did prove that NPL aided, KoW. There is no alternative explination so by process of elimation they have to be allies, and therefor scum Anyways, since you're KoW, could you explain to us how you were protected night one? And OpZ isn't a part of SIFZ, he is town, and Town would work to take you down | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On December 01 2010 06:59 Ace wrote: You haven't proven it. If NPL is an Elite Soldier then why hasn't any Day post for the entire game shown him to be able to do 2 actions? The Elite soilder is a one use ability. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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