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zimp
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary955 Posts
April 21 2009 19:21 GMT
#1501
On April 20 2009 18:30 jimminy_kriket wrote:
if anyone has time could someone try and get a replay of qnwkehltpdy? just like go down his match list and look for people he played terran vs then msg them on icc if their online. id be super happy if someone could actually do this.

thanks


http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=11139

sadly its a very short one, not really informative i guess, but at least i tried.
agentzimp
TL+ Member
Mutalisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
288 Posts
April 21 2009 20:33 GMT
#1502
On April 20 2009 10:06 CapO wrote:
pj's win ratio has always been about 50% since the pgtour era. i think this guy is at his limit from improving anymore... lol

pure talent > mass practice

gg


The average level is not the same as before, it has improved A LOT. PJ has improved a lot like everybody, however his win ratio is 50% because he is a Top gamer but not one of the best top gamers. And at the level starcraft is right now there is no talent anymore. All there is is hard work, and you can have all the amount of possible talent but if you don't fight hard you won't get a shit.
Ellis
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
247 Posts
April 21 2009 23:10 GMT
#1503
On April 22 2009 05:33 Mutalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2009 10:06 CapO wrote:
pj's win ratio has always been about 50% since the pgtour era. i think this guy is at his limit from improving anymore... lol

pure talent > mass practice

gg
And at the level starcraft is right now there is no talent anymore.

lol wut...
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13069 Posts
April 21 2009 23:26 GMT
#1504
On April 20 2009 10:06 CapO wrote:
pj's win ratio has always been about 50% since the pgtour era. i think this guy is at his limit from improving anymore... lol

pure talent > mass practice

gg


such a stupid comment are you trying to compare a "top" foreigners who hits a- with good stats just for the rank(dodging koreans most of the time) and pj who plays 100-200 games on A-/A ranks playing ONLY korean semi/progamers for skill? ........
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
April 22 2009 00:34 GMT
#1505
On April 22 2009 05:33 Mutalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2009 10:06 CapO wrote:
pj's win ratio has always been about 50% since the pgtour era. i think this guy is at his limit from improving anymore... lol

pure talent > mass practice

gg


The average level is not the same as before, it has improved A LOT. PJ has improved a lot like everybody, however his win ratio is 50% because he is a Top gamer but not one of the best top gamers. And at the level starcraft is right now there is no talent anymore. All there is is hard work, and you can have all the amount of possible talent but if you don't fight hard you won't get a shit.

are you talking about foreigners or koreans? cuz he certainly is one of the best foreigners
and scoffing at 50% win A is fucking retarded
theres lots of progamers who arent capable of that at this point in the season.
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Pioneer
Profile Joined December 2008
994 Posts
April 22 2009 02:20 GMT
#1506
pj is easily better than 90% of the top foreigners and probably better than a large portion of korean B-teamers which incidentally is who he's mostly playing (and some progamers) so I think it's pretty amazing that he's maintained a 50% win ratio.

also hard work can always keep up with pure talent, look at white-ra. not saying he's talentless but he plays the most probably out of any top foreigner on ladder and usually maintains roughly 50% and I wouldn't consider him an underdog vs any top foreigner and probably a favorite vs most.
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
April 22 2009 02:25 GMT
#1507
Talent is all that matters? Guess everyone who's a D ranked player can just go home, because there's no way we can, say, IMPROVE THROUGH PRACTICE.
myst[a]
Profile Joined March 2005
France130 Posts
April 22 2009 04:28 GMT
#1508
On April 20 2009 18:30 jimminy_kriket wrote:
if anyone has time could someone try and get a replay of qnwkehltpdy? just like go down his match list and look for people he played terran vs then msg them on icc if their online. id be super happy if someone could actually do this.

thanks



I have , he played terran vs me, dunno if it is his race.

http://screplays.info/files/155046833/0865_MySTZ_qnwkehltpdyT.rep
ShejtaN
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden59 Posts
April 22 2009 20:41 GMT
#1509
is not badmoon = special? morrow said that =D
besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
April 22 2009 22:21 GMT
#1510
badmoon = naugrim, atleast thats what i heard ret call him on his mogulus stream.
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
April 22 2009 22:32 GMT
#1511
On April 22 2009 11:25 Zozma wrote:
Talent is all that matters? Guess everyone who's a D ranked player can just go home, because there's no way we can, say, IMPROVE THROUGH PRACTICE.

not to compare to top players , no. you will hit a brick road if u have no talent.
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
April 22 2009 23:46 GMT
#1512
On April 22 2009 11:25 Zozma wrote:
Talent is all that matters? Guess everyone who's a D ranked player can just go home, because there's no way we can, say, IMPROVE THROUGH PRACTICE.


at the highest level of play, every single progamer practices equally. However, it is TALENT that seperates them from each other. No one talking about random D rank players.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
April 23 2009 00:23 GMT
#1513
On April 23 2009 08:46 eXigent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2009 11:25 Zozma wrote:
Talent is all that matters? Guess everyone who's a D ranked player can just go home, because there's no way we can, say, IMPROVE THROUGH PRACTICE.


at the highest level of play, every single progamer practices equally. However, it is TALENT that seperates them from each other. No one talking about random D rank players.

thats not true
you think its a coincidence everyone says jaedong is the hardest working player in progaming?
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
April 23 2009 10:48 GMT
#1514
at that level daily form and evenn if u might not believe it luck and tiny things play a important role..
and its also more a question of confidence and mindset..
hatred outlives the hateful
ShejtaN
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden59 Posts
April 23 2009 14:23 GMT
#1515
On April 23 2009 08:46 eXigent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2009 11:25 Zozma wrote:
Talent is all that matters? Guess everyone who's a D ranked player can just go home, because there's no way we can, say, IMPROVE THROUGH PRACTICE.


at the highest level of play, every single progamer practices equally. However, it is TALENT that seperates them from each other. No one talking about random D rank players.



Well i think idra knows what hes saying cause hes there watching it, and experience it atm.

But it doesnt have to be just talent. Practice hard is needed too you know.
zimp
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary955 Posts
April 23 2009 17:23 GMT
#1516
rep of current ladder #1, zerg, SuddenDeath.:

http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=11251
agentzimp
TL+ Member
GoAudio
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden400 Posts
April 23 2009 18:19 GMT
#1517
talent is good
EffOrt[fOu] & Hyvaa[S.G] <3 :D
Freyr
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States500 Posts
April 23 2009 18:54 GMT
#1518
On April 23 2009 07:32 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2009 11:25 Zozma wrote:
Talent is all that matters? Guess everyone who's a D ranked player can just go home, because there's no way we can, say, IMPROVE THROUGH PRACTICE.

not to compare to top players , no. you will hit a brick road if u have no talent.


It's probably true that everyone will hit a level beyond which they cannot improve, but what you say is a little misleading IMO.

Everyone will hit multiple plateaus in their quest to improve in absolutely everything. Most of these can be overcome with creativity and change in methods. It's impossible to know when you've finally reached a point where you can no longer improve appreciably given significant effort. Consequently "talent" is not a particularly practical term.

Talent isn't something that's really determinable. Player A might play 200 games and improve only slightly, while player B may play 40 and improve dramatically. Is this because player B is just more talented than player A? Possibly but it's impossible to say. Player A could simply be playing relatively lazily, not thinking about why he loses and so forth. He will still improve because he'll repeat the mechanical actions so many times, but his improvement will be marginal. At the same time player B could be fully engaging himself, and taking advantage of all kinds of resources in order to better his game. It's impossible to tell these things from an external perspective.

Consideration of talent is often also too linear. Jaedong is one of the best players right now, and people call him extremely talented. In what way is he talented? He was a progamer for quite some time before he finally started achieving significant success. Maybe he is not just a starcraft genius, maybe his talent is his capacity for enormous quantities of valuable practice.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
April 23 2009 19:02 GMT
#1519
On April 23 2009 07:32 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2009 11:25 Zozma wrote:
Talent is all that matters? Guess everyone who's a D ranked player can just go home, because there's no way we can, say, IMPROVE THROUGH PRACTICE.

not to compare to top players , no. you will hit a brick road if u have no talent.


I find brick roads pretty easy to walk on. Brick walls are much more imposing.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5525 Posts
April 23 2009 19:14 GMT
#1520
^lol

suddendeath = dream.t)hyun i think

how the hell is he #1 wtf
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
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