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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 16 2011 03:35 GMT
#1481
Yeah I'm pretty on par with what viscera just said. Reading Jitsu's analysis is basically all you can take out of refallen's posts as scummy. Beyond that, I really don't see much. Evantree on the otherhand is a pretty background poster (May not be his fault). The more I read evantrees filter the bigger my feeling. He's defintely trying very hard to look like he is contributing.

Evantree should be our lynch today. Textbook scum.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 16 2011 03:44 GMT
#1482
I don't really see al the hype around risk being scum. He's been actively hunting scum since the game started it seems, and a lot of people are giving him shit for doing so. Looks like a load of bandwagon shite to me. Who the hell is managin this shit. I DEMAND AN AUDIENCE WITH THE RADFIELD!
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 16 2011 03:45 GMT
#1483
Bum I have a similar read on nyc, care to take a look and tell me what you think?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 16 2011 03:47 GMT
#1484
I'm no scum and I'm quite confused why I've been labelled as scum. I know radfield suspected me because of my first post (says I'm starting with an apology??) and also because I asked clarifying questions, but that's just what I do. I had been lurking during the first day, but that was because I was busy, as I've already pointed out. Jitsu pointed out that I "conveniently appeared" 2 hours before voting time during the first day, but that was simply because of timezone differences. Next, I hopped on the bandwagon because 1. I didn't know it wasn't majority lynch so I was afraid of a no-lynch situation that I thought would not be good for town at all, and 2. Many people were bandwagonning him already so I decided to go along and vote Spaackle (admittedly not exactly towny but as I said, I really had no time).

Hope I've addressed your points.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 16 2011 03:53 GMT
#1485
On December 16 2011 12:47 Refallen wrote:
I'm no scum and I'm quite confused why I've been labelled as scum. I know radfield suspected me because of my first post (says I'm starting with an apology??) and also because I asked clarifying questions, but that's just what I do. I had been lurking during the first day, but that was because I was busy, as I've already pointed out. Jitsu pointed out that I "conveniently appeared" 2 hours before voting time during the first day, but that was simply because of timezone differences. Next, I hopped on the bandwagon because 1. I didn't know it wasn't majority lynch so I was afraid of a no-lynch situation that I thought would not be good for town at all, and 2. Many people were bandwagonning him already so I decided to go along and vote Spaackle (admittedly not exactly towny but as I said, I really had no time).

Hope I've addressed your points.


It's looking a bit more fluky now, I think reading your filter really fleshes out your town play this game rather then bushwhacking you for inidivual posts.

I'll like at newyork VE. MASON ME BRO.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 16 2011 03:55 GMT
#1486
Would if could but can't so won't.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Liquid`Sheth
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States2095 Posts
December 16 2011 03:59 GMT
#1487
Hey, just checking in. Reading what I can and thinking. Just thinking a lot. I finally got into the Pre-Release of SWTOR and trying to work a lot more sense I haven't been too much lately. Will be posting my thoughts on a lot of this chat whenever I have more time. Tomorrow I have stream / gym / stream literally all day, so will probably be inactive like today again then. Will try and keep up and if I think of anything I'll post it.
Team LiquidUnderneath it all they were really quite nice. They just got screwed up. Mostly by stuff that wasn't entirely their fault.
evantrees
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada497 Posts
December 16 2011 06:44 GMT
#1488
Responses in bold.
On December 16 2011 12:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Evantrees

I had to read through his posts twice before I found anything worth even mentioning. Also, I'm having a hard time discerning what he's voting people for - as his reasoning is almost universally nil…so I had to go back and look at the posts in context to find out what he's talking about a lot of the time. Also, there's a distinct lack of trying to find scum, so don't even try to look for it.

So you really felt the need to go over it ok.

Here though he claims he'll look at zeks and GreYMisT. Doesn't.

Doesn't come up with anything to mention.

Does, however, claim to vote for my slot. For funsies.
see below.

RNG's his election vote…that's not only bad for town, but simultaneously makes him absolutely free of accountability for his choice!

Should I have just joined the bandwagon for someone I'm still not fully sure of for no reason?

WUT? Honestly, I'm not sure what this post is supposed to be saying. At the time, there was a vote-switch in the works. My slot was being voted by a lot of people and Rad (I think) came in and said that someone else should be lynched instead. Not sure why, but my guess is the whole 'don't lynch lurkers'…also my slot didn't vote, so maybe he was hoping for a better replacement. AT any rate, I don't know what evan is commenting on in this post, but resolves to look at Spaackles.

response to this from the looks of it and again didn't see anything.
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On December 14 2011 11:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Yes Greymist I see... and to me Evantrees looks like a definite lurker. I'm not a big fan of just voting for a lurker though. Evantrees it also seems like you might be reading this now. If so, what are you thinking? Why shouldn't we vote you off ?


This post…this post is something. He defends his RNG for Pardoner by saying 'I didn't start that'…I think. Also, defends his choice of Nisani as a lynch by saying 'Palmogism told me to'…which isn't the worst reason in the world (for fun, arguably, is). And defends his decision to not defend himself because "we had a bigger problem".

'I rnged out of the 3 other hydras only why I didn't say that I don't know. As a place to start and has been stated didn't start the rng discussion.'
Is what I said. Apparently Zeks started the rng discussion which gave me the idea to use it to decide which of the three Hydras to place a vote for. Well him and someone bugging Arctocod asking why he hasn't suggested a day 1 RNGed lynch yet.
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On December 15 2011 03:42 zeks wrote:
On December 15 2011 03:40 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
On December 15 2011 03:34 zeks wrote:
Sheth you ask an overwhelming amount of questions and reasoning for seemingly everything and if I don't answer in an allotted time thats supposed to be a scum tell

I understand you probably have some bad blood against me just cause I built a long case on you a while back but go filter me and you'll see I've been pro town the whole time with nothing to hide


I just went through and did just that. You've said a few things that seemed off in our little 2 hourish time constraint thing. But yea I see what where your coming from when you said those things. The wording and the way you said it didn't make too much sense at first to me. I didn't realize how you said Nisani was a town at the end of that post. I'm ok with you now. After clearing that up I see where your coming from. As just a side point, the thing I found weird during our time constraint, was that you agreed with Evantrees to do a RNG on Pardoner. However again, I think your townie after re-reading your stuff yet again.


The RNG on pardoner was my idea

He agreed with me

I Voted to lynch Nisani as a place to start, since yes that's who Arctocod was voting for when he was withdrawn.

PAUSE

I'm assuming the "bigger problem" was Arctocod being removed from the electoral race. Why would that be a problem for him?
Finding a good lynch target seemed like a bigger problem than trying to defend myself, sadly didn't end help at all with that.

1) he wasn't voting for Arctocod,
voted for arctocod here.
why is that point even in here, most of the rest of this come as reasonable complaints.

2) he didn't care who won (lolRNGlol), and
didn't want to vote forProfBA at the time had no better option to offer.
3) he wasn't talking about it at all. So why would that be a valid excuse to not defend the accusations against him?
too busy trying to read filters and finding squat.

RESUME

He then goes on to say 'for goodness sakes, don't waste a check on me' qualifying it with 'at least use it on someone who might cause town a problem if they were scum'.

Really? REALLY?

1) No one was even talking about checks that I can see,
there's these two why I responding to people saying don't bother checking me I don't know.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&currentpage=54#1071
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&currentpage=54#1073
2) You're not contributing, so how are we supposed to gauge your alignment?
trying to, and seem to keep getting asked questions.
3) 'for goodness sakes'…like it would be some kind of huge mistake.
Huge mistake perhaps not a waste yes.
4) any scum are a problem, you included. If you're scum, we need to know because you're going to cause a problem. Saying DTs should check someone else because you're a 'weak player' is…weak bro.
any scum are a problem, true particularly when there are still five of them, sadly for you I'm not one of them.
and it was partly me realizing yes I looked like a damned easy lynch.


Verdict: leaning Scum

People really don't like my choice of words sometimes it seems.
Not sure what else I can add at the moment.


rejection and peace tiramisu. I think that went well.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 16 2011 06:51 GMT
#1489
That's not a particularly strong defense. All I got out of that was you think you are a weak player, and because of that you think you might look like scum. Adding two and two together there doesn't do you any favors. I'll be keeping my vote on you. Contributing with your biggest suspects and thoughts on important matters would be your best bet at not getting lynched.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 16 2011 06:54 GMT
#1490
If you were so busy reading filters, what came of it?... Nothing.
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 16 2011 07:14 GMT
#1491
Yeah, poor defense is poor.

Look evantrees, I don't want to lynch you if you're not scum. But simply saying you're not scum isn't enough. We're here to play a game together, and you're not playing. If you're a part of town, you need to be thinking like a townie. That means doing things that are in the best interest of town.

Let's take the d1 elections for example. WHY would you RNG your vote? I mean, okay, you say "Because I didn't know who to vote for!" So your best answer to combat this problem is...randomly choosing between 3 people that you are COMPLETELY in the dark about their alignment? In what way is that good for town? Any or all of those 3 people could be scum! "But VE, the same can be said of any of you!" It's true! You're right! But fate and luck are NOT weapons in the town arsenal. In Town, we look at the candidates, decide who WE find the least suspicious, and vote for them. You said you didn't want to vote the good Professor. That's noble and a great start. Why not? Suspicious? GREAT! Did the other candidates have anything in COMMON with the good Professor? STRIKE THEM OFF THE LIST! This isn't hard bro, you just have to be willing to take a stand for what you believe in.

The idea is to find suspicious behavior. My idea of suspicious is clearly very different from yours (I mean, surely you think that the way you're playing is the way town plays, regardless of your alignment.) So what's the deal? Is no one doing what you would consider to be 'suspicious'? I mean, let's be real here. Are you reading the thread? Are you REALLY looking through filters? Are you REALLY reading peoples' posts?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 16 2011 09:22 GMT
#1492
Pretty sure curu is scum; he thinks he can get away AGAIN with not posting now that day was extended, pretends he doesn't know why Erandorr isn't posting/caring when I know for almost a fact he does. Wanted to lynch risk on day 1 but when rad disagreed with him he quickly offered another alternative, despite sounding quite convinced that risk is scum. Note this is despite the fact that he claims to be suspicious of radfield. Erandorr wouldn't join a game and then not post... unless he rolled scum.

Should probably just lynch him today
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 16 2011 09:25 GMT
#1493
Also it appears suboptimal to make me withdraw if another decent townie is just going to replace me. Much better to save the power for another day

##vote ProfessorBadass
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State258 Posts
December 16 2011 09:48 GMT
#1494
palmar, curu is not lynchable today. He could pardon himself.
DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State258 Posts
December 16 2011 10:00 GMT
#1495
+ I think we should give him another chance. Not only because he could destroy our whole day if he just pardons whoever we vote for - but also because I think he's a good player and when he's here, he's making sense.
Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 16 2011 10:05 GMT
#1496
No, he can't pardon himself. We are almost certainly lynching him. I realize the case above isn't very convincing to those who don't know the players involved, but it's good. I prefer the no effort approach to case making especially when i'm a confirmed townie, but perhaps I palmar can write a longer one later.
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 16 2011 10:06 GMT
#1497
You are the Pardoner. Twice per game you may pardon a player, nullifying all votes against the player during the lynch. You must submit your pardon before the end of the day cycle and may not pardon yourself. You also share the protection of the mayoral bodyguard and are protected from all actions, excluding role blocks.
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State258 Posts
December 16 2011 10:18 GMT
#1498
i don't need a longer one... I have different reasons why I refuse to lynch curu today.
From what I've learned in xlvii I think it's bad to lynch players at the start who have the potential to be good.
If you remember, I pushed for a lynch between you and BC pretty hard and in the end we had that lynch between you. However you were both town. If we had given both of you more time, and would just have lynched obvious scum like zeks prplhz greymist or erandorr back then, we would have won this easily.
I think we have the same proplem here. I don't think that there is absolutely no veteranplayer in the scumteam. And among the veteranplayers curu is right now definetely the scummiest. But if we start right now with lynchung each other rather than looking for the more obvious candidates we will all be dead day3 and the game will end in chaos.
Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 16 2011 10:19 GMT
#1499
Fine, then we will lynch you next if you refuse to comply.
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State258 Posts
December 16 2011 10:21 GMT
#1500
+ I think - taking these "suboptimal" nighthits into account - there is a slight chance, that there really is no vet in this scumteam...
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