TL Mafia XLV - Page 72

[18:31] <Nisani201> what do you want
[18:31] <wherebugsgo___> okay so
[18:31] <wherebugsgo___> there's 12 players left
[18:31] <wherebugsgo___> I'm making a spreadsheet
[18:31] <wherebugsgo___> I need your opinion on every player left alive
[18:31] <wherebugsgo___> I talked with risk.nuke earlier btw I can send you logs if you want
[18:31] <Nisani201> wat?
[18:31] <Nisani201> uhhhok
[18:32] <wherebugsgo___> sinani206 risk.nuke jcarlsoniv wherebugsgo Nisani201 Erandorr NotChezinu/xtfftc Kenpachi DropBear Forumite supersoft Sevryn
[18:33] <wherebugsgo___> those are the players
[18:33] <Nisani201> hmmm
[18:33] <Nisani201> so
[18:33] <Nisani201> sinani206, kenpachi, dropbear, supersoft, are all pretty much the same
[18:33] <Nisani201> just label them "lurkers"
[18:33] <Nisani201> or something
[18:34] <Nisani201> i like the case against risk.nuke
[18:34] <Nisani201> so he is possibly scum
[18:34] <Nisani201> jcarl is also possibly scum
[18:34] <Nisani201> WHEREBUGSGO is probably town
[18:34] <Nisani201> nisani201 is obvious townie
[18:34] <wherebugsgo___> lol
[18:34] <wherebugsgo___> oh btw why is jcarl scum
[18:35] <Nisani201> jcarl seems to be hooking on the "easy lynches"
[18:35] <wherebugsgo___> k
[18:35] <Nisani201> and not really posting much
[18:35] <wherebugsgo___> ok
[18:35] <wherebugsgo___> well
[18:35] <wherebugsgo___> what if I told you
[18:35] <Nisani201> i explained it in other pms
[18:35] <wherebugsgo___> he had a big discussion with Mig
[18:35] <wherebugsgo___> over why Incog is not scum?
[18:36] <wherebugsgo___> I saw the logs between them
[18:36] <wherebugsgo___> and I've been talking to jcarl
[18:36] <wherebugsgo___> I really doubt he's scum
[18:36] <wherebugsgo___> and if he is he's playing a baller scum game (something Curu said to me as well)
[18:36] <Nisani201> didn't he defend incog in-thread as well?
[18:36] <wherebugsgo___> he defended incog in thread
[18:36] <wherebugsgo___> but after Mig convinced him really late in the day
[18:36] <wherebugsgo___> he voted incog
[18:36] <Nisani201> ok, maybe not "probable scum," but still possible
[18:36] <wherebugsgo___> k
[18:36] <Nisani201> you make a good point
[18:36] <wherebugsgo___> you should talk to him
[18:36] <wherebugsgo___> because atm
[18:37] <wherebugsgo___> the confirmed townies
[18:37] <wherebugsgo___> or at least
[18:37] <wherebugsgo___> the very likely townies
[18:37] <Nisani201> are dead?
[18:37] <wherebugsgo___> yeah I was just gonna say
[18:37] <wherebugsgo___> the very likely townies atm
[18:37] <wherebugsgo___> aren't aware of each other
[18:37] <wherebugsgo___> kenpachi just FoSed two of my strongest townreads
[18:37] <wherebugsgo___> super and jcarl
[18:37] <wherebugsgo___> and the problem is I think kenpachi is sure town too
[18:37] <wherebugsgo___> we have 6 guys who are absolutely useless
[18:38] <Nisani201> i still don't understand why kenpachi is so confirmed townish
[18:38] <Nisani201> why is super a townread? he barely posts
[18:39] <wherebugsgo___> yeah I don't know the reason for kenpachi being town
[18:39] <wherebugsgo___> because Mig and Curu did not tell me
[18:39] <wherebugsgo___> but they both told me their conclusions
[18:39] <wherebugsgo___> that kenpachi is 90+ town
[18:39] <wherebugsgo___> also
[18:39] <wherebugsgo___> sinani and sevryn are linked
[18:39] <wherebugsgo___> look in the thread
[18:39] <wherebugsgo___> I believe scumteam is sinani/sev/Forumite
[18:41] <Nisani201> interesting
[18:42] <wherebugsgo___> anywya
[18:43] <wherebugsgo___> you know that sev/DB have been trading tunneling right?
[18:43] <wherebugsgo___> it either means they're both town or one is scum
[18:43] <wherebugsgo___> no way they both are
[18:43] <wherebugsgo___> now sinani posts a vote on DB
[18:43] <wherebugsgo___> without doing anything all day
[18:43] <wherebugsgo___> ties himself to sev basically
[18:43] <wherebugsgo___> I talked to sevryn earlier
[18:43] <wherebugsgo___> and he completely glossed over both forumite and sinani
[18:43] <wherebugsgo___> I asked him straight up, what do you think of sinani and Forumite?
[18:44] <wherebugsgo___> he said, "sinani is playing? wtf?" and no opinion
[18:44] <wherebugsgo___> and later when I pushed it he said he has a null read on Forumite
[18:44] <Nisani201> you had to push the questions? was he dodging you?
[18:44] <wherebugsgo___> yes
[18:45] <wherebugsgo___> I'll send you the log
[18:45] <Nisani201> can you put it in a pastebin or something
[18:45] <Nisani201> and not copypaste the whole thing into irc
[18:45] <wherebugsgo___> it's in PM
[18:45] <wherebugsgo___> look in your inbox
[18:47] <Nisani201> ok
[18:48] <Nisani201> ok i jsut posted in the thread, gonna do some homework now
[18:48] <Nisani201> anything else?
[18:49] <wherebugsgo___> okay so you think jcarl is scum and risk.nuke
[18:49] <wherebugsgo___> #3?
[18:49] <wherebugsgo___> forumite/sev/sinani?
[18:49] <Nisani201> hmmmmmm
[18:49] <wherebugsgo___> and then who all is town
[18:49] <Nisani201> i would say sinani is most scummy out of those
[18:49] <wherebugsgo___> who all are null
[18:49] <wherebugsgo___> okay
[18:50] <Nisani201> forumite and sevyrn are null
[18:50] <wherebugsgo___> k
[18:50] <wherebugsgo___> DB?
[18:51] <Nisani201> dropbear is in the lurker list, so as with all lurkers I'm leaning scum on him
[18:51] <wherebugsgo___> ok
[18:51] <wherebugsgo___> so your town reads=super me erandorr
[18:51] <wherebugsgo___> what is xt
[18:51] <wherebugsgo___> scummy?
[18:51] <Nisani201> I dunno, i just unvoted him
[18:51] <wherebugsgo___> null then
[18:52] <Nisani201> yeah
[18:52] <wherebugsgo___> kenpachi
[18:52] <Nisani201> kenpachi is also lurker list, same as dropbear
[18:52] <wherebugsgo___> okay
[18:52] <wherebugsgo___> so you have four townies (yourself me errandor super) right?
[18:52] <Nisani201> i'll probably look over xfftc
[18:52] <Nisani201> to get a real read
[18:52] <wherebugsgo___> then four nulls (kenpachi xt sev forumite)
[18:52] <Nisani201> yeah
[18:53] <wherebugsgo___> then three scummies (DB jcarl sinani)
[18:53] <wherebugsgo___> and one scum (risk nuke)
[18:53] <Nisani201> risk nuke is more scummy than db imo
[18:53] <wherebugsgo___> yeah I listed that
[18:53] <wherebugsgo___> you think DB is a null instead?
[18:53] <Nisani201> oh i see
[18:53] <Nisani201> nvmd
[18:54] <wherebugsgo___> kk
[18:54] <wherebugsgo___> I got it good?
[18:54] <Nisani201> db is null but leaning scum
[18:54] <wherebugsgo___> okay
[18:54] <wherebugsgo___> but jcarl is worse?
[18:54] <wherebugsgo___> or better
[18:54] <Nisani201> jcarl is worse
[18:54] <wherebugsgo___> k
[18:54] <wherebugsgo___> alright
[18:54] <wherebugsgo___> cool ty nisani
[18:54] <wherebugsgo___> I'll PM you a link to the spreadsheet soon
[18:54] <Nisani201> awesome
[18:54] <Nisani201> thanks
[18:54] <Nisani201> gl hf

[12:21:26 PM] wherebugsgo: hey
[12:21:30 PM] wherebugsgo: you have time to discuss?
[1:03:47 PM] risk.nuke: yeah
[1:04:03 PM] wherebugsgo: cool cool
[1:04:08 PM] wherebugsgo: what are your scumreads right now?
[1:09:23 PM] risk.nuke: Honestly, I feel like I don't have a clue anymore, everyone seems suspicious but none suspicious enough to warrant a lynch
[1:10:56 PM] risk.nuke: I have been really swamped and just got back, I'm currently having a look on dropbear
[1:11:11 PM] wherebugsgo: okay.
[1:11:18 PM] wherebugsgo: have you PMed anyone at all this game so far?
[1:12:17 PM] risk.nuke: This is my first game, At first I didn't really get what do do with the pm function what to look for etc, I basicly only trusted Mig
[1:13:15 PM] wherebugsgo: okay
[1:13:19 PM] wherebugsgo: do you have your logs with Mig?
[1:14:03 PM] risk.nuke: There are no logs, I don't think he trusted me
[1:15:11 PM] risk.nuke: I haven't discussed the game with anyone privately
[1:15:27 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. so you trusted Mig but never PMed him?
[1:15:53 PM] risk.nuke: Yeah, is that scummy?
[1:16:08 PM] wherebugsgo: I dunno, you tell me
[1:16:16 PM] wherebugsgo: so you haven't received nor sent any PMs so far in this game?
[1:16:20 PM] wherebugsgo: besides mine obviously
[1:17:01 PM] risk.nuke: You and tnktd
[1:17:13 PM] wherebugsgo: that's it? Incog never sent you anything?
[1:17:24 PM] risk.nuke: Got nothing from incog
[1:17:26 PM] wherebugsgo: Curu never sent you anything?
[1:17:31 PM] risk.nuke: nope
[1:17:33 PM] wherebugsgo: okay.
[1:17:34 PM] risk.nuke: only dropbear
[1:17:41 PM] wherebugsgo: you just said
[1:17:48 PM] wherebugsgo: only me and tnkted messaged you
[1:17:54 PM] risk.nuke: no i messeged you
[1:18:04 PM] wherebugsgo: okay I'm talking
[1:18:08 PM] wherebugsgo: about any sort of PM, received or sent
[1:18:17 PM] wherebugsgo: which players does this encompass?
[1:18:50 PM] risk.nuke: You tnktd Mig Palmar dropbear
[1:19:03 PM] wherebugsgo: okay
[1:19:07 PM] wherebugsgo: can you PM all your logs?
[1:19:08 PM] wherebugsgo: to me
[1:19:27 PM] risk.nuke: sorry?
[1:19:33 PM] wherebugsgo: send me all the PMs you've received/sent
[1:19:35 PM] wherebugsgo: to all these players
[1:19:37 PM] wherebugsgo: to my inbox
[1:19:39 PM] wherebugsgo: on TL
[1:19:52 PM] risk.nuke: okey
[1:19:54 PM] risk.nuke: in order?
[1:20:04 PM] wherebugsgo: that'd be nice but it isn't super important
[1:23:33 PM] wherebugsgo: did Palmar respond to you?
[1:23:39 PM] risk.nuke: nope
[1:26:31 PM] risk.nuke: that should be all of them
[1:26:56 PM] wherebugsgo: okay, cool, thanks.
[1:27:05 PM] wherebugsgo: have you had time to read through the thread
[1:27:06 PM] wherebugsgo: ?
[1:27:42 PM] risk.nuke: I'll do it noq
[1:29:01 PM] risk.nuke: btw, do you get what this means?
"Scamp the Mute Awkward Cow died to Liberty Launcher."
[1:29:39 PM] wherebugsgo: no, I think it's just a kill flavor
[1:29:53 PM] wherebugsgo: mafia killed Scamp last night and I don't think any of the rest of the flavor has any relevance to the game
[1:31:22 PM] risk.nuke: Can they kill more then 1 person a night without pyro?
And wth is a mute awkward cow, i don't get it, is that a role?
[1:31:40 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah so basically mafia has a KP of n/2
[1:31:41 PM] wherebugsgo: rounded up
[1:31:49 PM] wherebugsgo: where n=number of mafia left alive
[1:32:00 PM] wherebugsgo: so if mafia has 3 members n/2 is 1.5 and round up = 2
[1:32:03 PM] wherebugsgo: so they get two kills
[1:32:10 PM] risk.nuke: okey
[1:32:14 PM] wherebugsgo: if we kill a mafia today with the lynch that number drops to n=2 and 2/2=1
[1:32:37 PM] wherebugsgo: a mute awkward cow is the flavor for a townie that can't PM in this game
[1:32:41 PM] wherebugsgo: but appears red to DT checks
[1:33:04 PM] risk.nuke: flavor?
[1:33:12 PM] wherebugsgo: flavor is just like
[1:33:14 PM] wherebugsgo: description
[1:33:22 PM] wherebugsgo: or theme
[1:33:27 PM] wherebugsgo: it has nothing to do with the actual game itself
[1:33:27 PM] risk.nuke: okey
[1:33:31 PM] wherebugsgo: you could call it anything you want
[1:33:44 PM] wherebugsgo: in most normal games "mute awkward cow" would be "mute town miller"
[1:33:57 PM] wherebugsgo: and "mute drunk demo man" would be "mute vanilla town"
[1:34:59 PM] risk.nuke: Okey,
[1:35:33 PM] wherebugsgo: anyway
[1:36:29 PM] wherebugsgo: do you believe that I am town?
[1:36:42 PM] risk.nuke: Taking a leap of faith
[1:37:48 PM] risk.nuke: It just looked so dire with mig getting killed and then curu got himself modkilled
[1:38:50 PM] risk.nuke: I had to do something, If you're town I can't let you belive I'm mafia, we can't afford it.
[1:39:15 PM] wherebugsgo: okay.
[1:39:28 PM] wherebugsgo: so I am town, indeed
[1:39:36 PM] wherebugsgo: and I've confirmed myself via PM to others in the town atm
[1:39:42 PM] wherebugsgo: but currently I'm pushing you in the thread.
[1:39:46 PM] wherebugsgo: why should we not lynch you?
[1:40:03 PM] risk.nuke: Because I'm town
[1:40:27 PM] wherebugsgo: what's your role?
[1:40:58 PM] risk.nuke: Drunk demoman
[1:44:16 PM] wherebugsgo: okay
[1:44:22 PM] wherebugsgo: so why is it
[1:44:23 PM] wherebugsgo: that when you've been asked for scum reads
[1:44:27 PM] wherebugsgo: you really have never had more than one?
[1:44:43 PM] wherebugsgo: and they've all been town
[1:47:45 PM] risk.nuke: I'm trusting you because tnktd and Mig both were sure you were town. I suspected you earlier because of your play and if you look back at it, tell me it wasn't suspicious. Tnktd got a suspect from association with you and Incognito's post 10 minutes before the guy he accuses got killed. I still can't belive he wasn't mafia
[1:57:27 PM] risk.nuke: I get how I am suspicious
[1:57:38 PM] wherebugsgo: right but you still have no reads
[1:57:40 PM] wherebugsgo: which is a problem
[1:57:47 PM] wherebugsgo: people didn't tell you why they thought I was town
[1:57:49 PM] wherebugsgo: because no one believed you were town
[2:03:12 PM] risk.nuke: Yes
[2:13:49 PM] wherebugsgo: you were writing something?
[2:14:33 PM] risk.nuke: Yeah, I've been writing and deleting quite a bit
[2:14:42 PM] wherebugsgo: why is that? lol
[2:14:55 PM] wherebugsgo: you should speak your mind
[2:19:05 PM] risk.nuke: Just don't find the right words
[2:19:09 PM] wherebugsgo: lol
[2:19:12 PM] wherebugsgo: okay let me say this
[2:19:19 PM] wherebugsgo: as a townie you should have no problem simply speaking your mind
[2:20:09 PM] risk.nuke: and then that's exacly why I brought town to this mess
[2:21:26 PM] risk.nuke: Gah just nvm
[2:21:32 PM] risk.nuke: it's just not that simple
[2:21:44 PM] wherebugsgo: lol what
[2:21:53 PM] wherebugsgo: look town needs information
[2:21:54 PM] wherebugsgo: to win this
[2:22:00 PM] wherebugsgo: that's why I am talking to you right now
[2:22:07 PM] risk.nuke: Yes
[2:22:17 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. so what do you think of sevryn?
[2:24:17 PM] risk.nuke: lurker in the forum so I got nothing, I am personally more suspicious about Jcarl and DropBear
[2:24:32 PM] wherebugsgo: what do you think of Forumite?
[2:25:33 PM] risk.nuke: I thought he was mafia before, shit I got scared to death when he sort of defended me in the forum
[2:25:48 PM] wherebugsgo: now?
[2:26:03 PM] risk.nuke: Give me a few minutes to check his posts
[2:26:11 PM] wherebugsgo: sounds good
[2:32:54 PM] risk.nuke: I'm neutral about him. he's scummy but then who isn't, I think I've gotten stuck in an overthink-loop (wifom)
[2:33:10 PM] wherebugsgo: that's not wifom
[2:33:27 PM] risk.nuke: yeah it is
[2:33:28 PM] wherebugsgo: but anyway
[2:33:43 PM] wherebugsgo: okay yeah I guess it is
[2:33:55 PM] wherebugsgo: how did he go
[2:33:58 PM] wherebugsgo: from being mafia before
[2:34:01 PM] wherebugsgo: to neutral now?
[2:37:21 PM] risk.nuke: he's supersuspicious
[2:37:35 PM] risk.nuke: everyone I've felt that way about before have turned up blue
[2:37:59 PM] risk.nuke: assuming you're blue
[2:39:19 PM] wherebugsgo: I am blue
[2:39:22 PM] wherebugsgo: however that's not a valid reason
[2:39:31 PM] wherebugsgo: to believe that a person who was once scummy
[2:39:36 PM] wherebugsgo: is no longer scummy
[2:39:44 PM] wherebugsgo: plus, you never mentioned in the thread, ever, that you suspected Forumite
[2:39:50 PM] wherebugsgo: why is that?
[2:40:00 PM] wherebugsgo: when did you first suspect Forumite?
[2:40:30 PM] risk.nuke: When he took my side in the forum
[2:42:06 PM] risk.nuke: since he took my side offiicaly and said nothing to me privatly it looked like he was just interested in how it looked for other people
[2:42:12 PM] risk.nuke: I was beeing used
[2:42:27 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. when was this, which day?
[2:42:29 PM] wherebugsgo: which post?
[2:42:43 PM] wherebugsgo: and why is it you never posted a suspicion of Forumite?
[2:43:34 PM] wherebugsgo: is it this:
[2:43:35 PM] wherebugsgo: WBG seems determined to lynch him, which suggests risk-nuke is Town. tnkted and WBG are at the top of my scumlist at the moment for not stepping up and providing the reason why WBG must be Town, so I don´t can´t take their arguments seriously until I get a clear answer from tnkted.
[2:43:52 PM] risk.nuke: I think it was before that
[2:43:57 PM] risk.nuke: wait I'll try to find it
[2:50:54 PM] wherebugsgo: ??
[2:55:14 PM] wherebugsgo: well?
[2:55:38 PM] risk.nuke: Yes, I thought it was earlier but that's just because he was a bit anti-you
[2:56:24 PM] risk.nuke: Rereading it again though i think it's very odd that he is still alive, since he claimed to be a special town role
[2:56:55 PM] risk.nuke: and then asking for medic protection so he wasn't faking that to divert attention (unless he knew the medic)
[2:57:37 PM] wherebugsgo: okay
[2:57:43 PM] risk.nuke: anyway It's getting late
[2:57:49 PM] wherebugsgo: alright
[2:57:57 PM] wherebugsgo: let's talk later in this day cycle
[2:58:01 PM] risk.nuke: yes
[2:58:02 PM] wherebugsgo: about other players, yes?
[2:58:14 PM] wherebugsgo: if you have time when you wake that would be good
[2:58:22 PM] wherebugsgo: I'll still be on in 8-9 hours
[2:59:22 PM] risk.nuke: Yeah timezones are a bitch, I'll see if I can reach you around 8, if i'm not there in 9 feel free to go to sleep cause then I didn't have time
[2:59:31 PM] wherebugsgo: sounds good