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gonzaw
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gonzaw
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********************************************************************* Okay, claiming time: I am Wheatly the town tracker. Yes, I have a "simple" ability (it's my only ability), which is why I wasn't thinking Draz's claim was "obviously simple therefore fake-claim" (I'll get to the other part of my role later). It also has flavour about rail tracks and shit but that's irrelevant. These are my night actions and results: On N1 I tracked Nisani: *drumroll for unbelievable bullshit* Results: Nisani visited Mementos On N2 I tracked ghost: Results: ghost visited HiroPro On N3 I tracked austin: Results: austin visited HiroPro About N1 Action: Yep, once Nisani claimed he only visited Mattchew and flipped town I kind of shut down and didn't know wtf to think anymore. I thought there was a "tracker framer" out there that framed Nisani on N1 (although I've never seen a role like that in my entire life), but now maybe there could be some shenanigans with bus drivers and list stuff that could explain it. The other option is that my role is obsolete in a way (like Paranoid Cops are obsolete roles for DTs). Don't ask me about the N1 check since I have no freaking idea of what happened. Also you can see it wouldn't have "saved Drazerk" if I had claimed it last day (it's just "something fucked up that happened to me", but it was completely unrelated to Draz) About N2 Action: Started to think ghost may be scum so tracked him. I actually went with Hiro first (had some strange feelings of him on N2 and wanted to either confirm or discard him as scum since he would have been harder to read than ghost and wouldn't have been a point of discussion in later days in my opinion), but after thinking a little bit more I decided to go with ghost again. I don't really remember what made me change my mind so don't ask. Yep, ghost visited Hiro, which is what made me think he wasn't RS at all (since Xfire died). That's the reason I never mentioned ghost as RS and even posted bullshit reasons why he wasn't RS. Now with bus driver Xfire and Hiro could have been bussed so maybe he could be RS, which is a huge deal (it doesn't confirm ghost as non-RS anymore). (Pre-Edit: Debunked by Mattchew claim) Also my role could be obsolete again so I started doubting it, specially after Hiro didn't claim anything at all (my "crumb" I mentioned was this post and the "context" I mentioned was me waiting for Hiro to respond to this post. When I made that post I intended it both ways ,for him to respond to my post and to see if he would claim something was done on him). When I got that check I started thinking that maybe ghost was BS and RBed or did something weird to Hiro...but meh Hiro didn't claim anything so I didn't really know what to think of it. I started thinking maybe ghost had some weird BS ability and used it on Hiro, which was possible which is why I went against him as BS Disclaimer: Ignore this post where I put ghost as RS since I forgot about my report on him when I made that post >_> <_< Considering ghost and Hiro's position swapped on N2...I think it's possible ghost did something that made him swap his position with Hiro. Don't know if that's a town or scum power though....? Anyway food for thought About N3 Action: As you know I was starting to get suspicious of austin as RS. I wanted to be sure by tracking him and see him visited a dead guy or someone that claimed shot. That didn't happen though, he visited Hiro. Dunno why though. At first it made me think he was either not RS or that my reports were obsolete...but after that thing about the list positions and bus driving thing austin mentioned I didn't really know (in my mind the possibility of austin shooting Hiro who was bussed with Mattchew was possible after that point...but I wanted to wait for Hiro to claim if maybe he was notified of something). Again, in case austin was BS and had a weird ability I wanted to see if Hiro would claim anything weird happening to him. Anyways, that's the info. Seems Matt claimed as well, will speculate with that but in another post (this one is the claim post). What about the "other" part of your role? Yeah...I doubt you guys will like this one. As you know...Wheatly is kind of a dick and goes homicidal at points. Well I'm kind of like that: I'm a traitor survivor. If both GlaDOS and Chell die, then I become a "traitor survivor". Traitor because I start supporting scum, survivor because I win with both scum and town. How does it work? Once I'm "traitor survivor" if Aperture Science members win and I'm alive, I win with them. Since I'm "survivor" I can still win with town if that situation arises. Basically, if that "TS" condition is met, then I become a "traitor" in the sense that if there are 2 RS and 2 townies other than me, I can choose to win with RS by lynching another townie for instance. Just like any traitor role. This is also why I mentioned Chell/Wheatly in the "other town role names"...since those were the ones in my role PM and I didn't know any others >_> Why am I telling you guys this?
In this post I mention something like that as well: On October 09 2012 08:44 gonzaw wrote: You know what, I think I may also be completely honest with you guys about my role. Mostly because if I'm not it won't really matter once I die. Although I know certain people will try to get me lynched because of it as well. Also yeah, I know some people may say "Kill him now so he doesn't side with scum later!". That may be true, but remember: It's better to lynch scum than lynch a traitor. Specially a traitor that hasn't been converted to traitor yet and is still town and as long as Chell is alive for the rest of the game will be 100% town...and even if Chell is dead he'll still be town and try to get town to win by killing all scum. I won't decide to win with RS, why? Because: To win with RS and go "anti-town", it needs to be LYLO with RS. If that happens...I already won, so why the hell would I choose to win with scum instead of legitimately scumhunting and become Town MVP or some shit? Also I can't do funny stuff since you guys can lynch me any time in LYLO as well (specially since people will start screaming "He fake-claimed traitor all along and is actually scum!", which of course the real RS will jump over and get me lynched, meaning I'd lose in an unloseable situation). Also: even though I said I wanted Chell to die before, right now I want Chell to live Why? Because before nobody knew about this alternate win-con from me. If Chell dies silently I can still play normally and nothing happens. Town doesn't know I'm a traitor, and scum doesn't know I'm a traitor. But now once Chell dies everybody will know I'm a traitor and that can fuck things up for town. Disclaimer: I assume Chell is a town role. I mean, it's possible it's RS or even BS and all...but I don't really believe that. Because of that I'd like Keirathi/S&B to save Chell whenever she claims or whoever you think she is.. Explaining my behaviour: Okay, I'm going to post quotes/posts from some of my posts that are relevant to my role. Why? Because people will ask me about them anyway and they will post them anyway and we will waste time with people posting more and more as they find them in my filter. Preventing that situation I'll explain all of them here. On October 08 2012 04:46 gonzaw wrote: I also wanted to try something else before claiming...but I don't know if I can pull it off now What I wanted to do was like accuse ghost of being scum and saying I was a DT and had a red check on them. Then I see what he claimed and who he claimed he targeted. If he claimed something like "I'm a watcher and I watched Keirathi" then I would know he's lying since he visited Hiropro and not Keirathi. I didn't try it now since it would obviously not work (also planned doing it on austin on N·...but again I think it would have been futile and maybe would have gotten me lynched for fake-claiming). On October 08 2012 03:43 gonzaw wrote: Okay, about the "fishing": You guys will understand later when I claim. There's a reason I'm "fishing": I want to know more about the setup (I've already said this and it's not a lie). Why? Well because my role is confusing the hell out of me and I don't know wtf is happening (both with my role and the lack of shit that happens each night). Remember I was VT in can't believe. I also didn't know you both were masons though :/ I mean...I didn't know who the remaining mason was even after you flipped >_> (I had an idea it was scib, but with him not claiming I wouldn't really know) I was "fishing" for night actions and shit early D2 (here) . When I got that report, I first of all wanted to know if maybe Nisani was a vig who shot Mementos. That is why I asked "Did a vig shoot someone?" I don't quite remember why I was so interested in the JK and RB. Maybe it was the fact that Mementos died and he was the jailer, and I saw Nisani visit Mementos. Maybe I just wanted to know more about the setup. Don't really remember, sorry. The 2nd thing that crossed my mind was that maybe Nisani was a DT/tracker/watcher and visited Mementos. Sadly this couldn't really be verifiable until he claimed, although that's what I was thinking when I made these posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174¤tpage=31#611 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174¤tpage=31#613 If Nisani claimed he was DT or something and visited Mementos last night...my read of him would have crumbled basically (since it'd take great luck for scum to get that fake-claim right). lol when I was reading the thread once I got back and saw he claimed he visited Mattchew I was like "Fuck yeah! He's confirmed scum baby I knew it!". lol I didn't expect what was going to happen once I saw the flip >_> It's also why maybe my case on S&B seemed "stronger" yet I decided to get Nisani lynched instead (here). I also thought my S&B case was a little bit stronger....but then the "maybe he's legitimately busy" thing haunted my mind and I couldn't ignore the "incriminating check" I had on Nisani...specially after he didn't claim he vig-shot Mementos. About the blue-fishing: Again I mostly wanted to see wtf happened on N1 (see if maybe a townie got other info about it). I also wanted ghost to claim here to check the same thing I wanted from Nisani (see if he'd claim visiting someone that wasn't Hiro). Considering the Nisani thing though (he was town, claimed he visited someone and I saw he visited someone else) I didn't push it far since I didn't really know if it was worth it. I.e if ghost claimed visiting someone else...would it mean he was scum or maybe whatever happened with Nisani happened again? I was mindfucked ever since N2 about the setup and I wanted to know as much as I could to make sense of what happened...and to know if I could trust my N2 (and N3 now) checks and see what they represented. I think I explained all the important parts of my play that had to do with my role/actions. Maybe I've missed one or two though. Yes, this may be a lot of info to digest (maybe not) so take your while reading it. I'm going to spend some time analyzing Matt's claim with the info I have and I presented here. Also isn't this the most awesome claim post or what?  ********************************************************************* | ||
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gonzaw
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Okay, let's first analyze the premises: 1)I tracked austin last night, and he visited HiroPro 2)Mattchew bussed Keirathi and HiroPro last night 3) (This was confirmed to me by Greymist a little while ago) If I track Player X who visits Player Y, and a busdriver drives Player Y with Player Z, then my tracking result will be "Player X visited Player Z" Conclusion: Austin visited Keirathi last night, Matt bussed Kei with HiroPro, so austin ended up visiting HiroPro last night. Hiro didn't claim anything weird happening to him though...so it couldn't have been a "harmful visit". Meh, maybe austin is town (i.e he didn't visit Matt nor anybody that was bussed with Matt or something like that). Although I wonder why he'd visit Kei in the first place. Maybe he's another medic or something. Like I said before...I don't really know if him claiming that would benefit us or not (if he is indeed a super-powerful town role that will get outed), but I dunno, you guys decide. (also this is easily verifiable by austin claiming who he visited) Also this is assuming Matt is telling the truth... ..that's a completely different matter. Hell, even if he's telling the truth I don't know if it exonerates him from his play this game. It's possible a bus driver is either BS or RS as well (maybe not RS knowing what we know of Matt). If he's Chell (likely)...then that's another story. Although I don't really want him to claim Chell and let scum WIFOM about it. | ||
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I know this may mind-fuck some of you or enrage others or just reassert my scumminess to others. Considering all this...I'm kind of blank right now, I don't really know who to lynch anymore (if austin is townie who didn't shoot Mattchew and Mattchew is town bus driver). I guess we can lynch ghost? Again I dunno since if I believe my report he isn't RS. I think I'll wait to see if some other info arises that may incriminate someone. Somebody is bound to have some information, it's freaking D4. | ||
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Mattchew
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On October 09 2012 12:39 gonzaw wrote: Yo Matt, thoughts about my claim? What about me being a murderous homicidal traitor-wannabe? i think that when we know what austin is doing we will have a lot of info about whats going on at night | ||
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On October 09 2012 12:41 Mattchew wrote: also, i don't believe that even you could come up with all of that as scum so yeah i believe it I always envy those scum guys that have such an imagination to claim the stuff they do. I don't know how they do it  I never fake-claimed blue in my scum life...meh it's just not my thing. | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 09 2012 12:43 gonzaw wrote: I always envy those scum guys that have such an imagination to claim the stuff they do. I don't know how they do it I never fake-claimed blue in my scum life...meh it's just not my thing. I fake claimed being roleblocked in my only scum game. But I also shot down prplhz's incessant desire to claim Cop because it really is a super hard thing to pull off. However, as someone else pointed out to me on day 2 when I started defending S&B before I claimed, its canon for scum in super-themed games like this to be given fake claims. | ||
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strongandbig
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i believe your claim atm though. it sounds like the ikind fo role those hosts would put in this game. mattchew - did you claim role name? given that cave johnson flipped town i no longer trust flavor but w/e. actually we should probably just mass claim right now because so many people have claimed already. mass claim go go go | ||
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On October 09 2012 12:49 Keirathi wrote: I fake claimed being roleblocked in my only scum game. But I also shot down prplhz's incessant desire to claim Cop because it really is a super hard thing to pull off. However, as someone else pointed out to me on day 2 when I started defending S&B before I claimed, its canon for scum in super-themed games like this to be given fake claims. Yeah. If I was scum I think I would have asked for a safe-claim this game (always do...even though hosts don't give me any most of the time )I wouldn't really have the time or effort to fake-breadcrumb and conceive very weird situations and reports/checks/stuff as scum though, it's just too tiring and most of the time people that claim weird shit get lynched anyways so why even try? (I'm not good at "cause chaos" thingy either to be honest, which is another reason to claim that stuff as scum) | ||
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On October 09 2012 12:53 strongandbig wrote: i looove fake claiming when im scum its so much more fun i believe your claim atm though. it sounds like the ikind fo role those hosts would put in this game. mattchew - did you claim role name? given that cave johnson flipped town i no longer trust flavor but w/e. actually we should probably just mass claim right now because so many people have claimed already. mass claim go go go If Chell claims and then dies don't you go lynching me later if everybody supports a massclaim. | ||
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Keirathi
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The only PM's that I've gotten from the hosts were my role PM and answers to questions. | ||
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gonzaw
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He just chose to visit you initially | ||
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*you were bussed | ||
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