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WCS AM Season 2 to be run by NASL and Blizzard - Page 7

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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
June 18 2013 17:10 GMT
#121
NOOOO ABANDON SHIP, ABANDON SHIP
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
June 18 2013 17:10 GMT
#122
Crossposting this from Reddit

So here's my personal opinion on this based on what I know of the situation of the last few months.

This is a good thing for an awful lot of reasons, but I think what most people aren't going to grasp is how good it is for MLG. The preconception is that WCS is a bag of money on a plate to any organization that gets it and holy shit is that completely inaccurate. WCS is a massive resource drain on any organization that hosts it. Blizzard do not in fact give you all the money you could ever need to run the event and MLG was put in a ridiculously difficult position to recoup costs because they had to host at an EU-unfriendly time. So you lock out your biggest audience by default and are then expected to recoup via sponsorship and ad revenue? What? The amount of money MLG had to spend with no possibility of return to run WCS was outrageous. More to the point, if you think MLG actually fought to get WCS you're WAAAAAYYY off. It was very much the other way around. Blizzard strategy involved having MLG do the event, Blizzard pushed for it. MLG was reluctant to take the event as they wanted to focus on what they're good at, their regular live Pro Circuit tournaments. They were pressured by Blizzard to take on WCS. NASL was shut out in the process.

As much hate as MLG gets, they didn't actually make that many mistakes outside of the dreadful qualifiers, they were simply put in a tough spot and had the misfortune of not being ESL. ESL has far more experience running this kind of regular online content and they happen to have a bit more of a laid-back image which lets them pull stuff like Carmac in a bee-suit, White-ra as a bartender, a live final in an abandoned sauna etc. Not only that but foreigners were actually able to compete to a reasonable degree there and the storylines came from that, as opposed to the stomping that occurred in the RO32 in WCS America. MLG got saddled with the consequences of Blizzards decision not to region-lock in the worst possible way and for some reason were blamed for it. Some people might think Blizzard kicked MLG out. I'm sure that's a nice narrative for the hivemind but nope, try the other way around.

You wanna know why MLG announced Anaheim so late, why the format is the way it is and why the prizepool isn't as large? WCS. WCS was the damn albatross around the neck of MLG. They weren't given an opportunity, they were given a burden. WCS wreaked havoc on the American scene, derailing NASL and negatively impacting MLGs actual events which have been the cornerstone of the US competitive scene since Starcraft 2 launched. Now it seems like some of those wrongs will finally be righted.

NASL is in a better position to produce the kind of format that WCS demands. They have more experience, 2 casting teams, the production crew and the facilities to do that daily content. It's what NASL are. NASL live finals are hardly the best things in the world, more often than not lack-luster, it's not their speciality. Their speciality is that daily show and the supporting content that is created around it. I honestly doubt we'll see a big leap in viewers. As much as its the popular opinion to suggest that less popular casters drag the viewer count down significantly it's really not the case at all. The lack of EU audience is what kills WCS America and it always will if it continues at that timeslot.
Anyway, I'm glad MLG can get back to doing what they do best and what they've always wanted to do. I've been behind that curtain and I saw how hard they worked on WCS America but it was abundantly clear that its not their biggest strength. There's nothing quite like an MLG crowd and hopefully WCS will not affect future MLG live events in the way it's affected Anaheim.
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shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
June 18 2013 17:10 GMT
#123
On June 19 2013 02:03 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I've always felt like MLG excels at running big events with a lot of budget (in case you think that this is obvious/easy - you're wrong). It takes a lot of skill to do this and they have mastered it throughout the years. They are legitimately good at what they do with their events when they go all out. However when things are on a lower budget it seems that ESL/NASL are able to solve things by being cute and funny. Entertainment such as DIMAGA coming out in Carmac's bee suit, White-Ra as a bartender, and the random NASL dog come to mind. That is probably what WCS America could benefit from right now.


Never tought about it this way.. but i agree with you!!

They seemed to be out of their league when doing the daily small broadcast stuff and ESL/nasl excell in that!

Very happy with this move!
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TrickyGilligan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States641 Posts
June 18 2013 17:10 GMT
#124
I hope people really support NASL for season 2. This feels like a case of "the grass is always greener" honestly.

Please remember this isn't the first time opinions have shifted. There was a time when NASL got all the hate for their casting and technical issues and MLG could do no wrong. Then NASL went away and people realized what they'd lost, and suddenly they elevated the memory of NASL past anything that it actually achieved as a league.

I do agree that NASL is a better fit for the WCS. Maybe it will be a good enough fit that the community can actually enjoy WCS AM, which would be great for a change.
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Clawfinger
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada221 Posts
June 18 2013 17:11 GMT
#125
Say what! I just woke up, am I still dreaming? This is great news! MLG is way better at running huge offline events, and NASL is one of the best at running online tournaments. It just makes so much sense.
invisigoat
Profile Joined March 2013
184 Posts
June 18 2013 17:11 GMT
#126
Yay BitterDam! live audience hopefully.....a bit sad tho. just as was beginning to like axslav and axeltoss
Inertia_EU
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom513 Posts
June 18 2013 17:12 GMT
#127
PERFECT. Now back to the original MLG weekend events around the US!
ThreeSixDrew
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada183 Posts
June 18 2013 17:13 GMT
#128
Such good news!
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
June 18 2013 17:13 GMT
#129
what money did they spend exactly? they hired no new staff, held it in their studio that is already paid for and blizzard at least covered prize money. if you cant make money in a tourney like that, you have no hope. compare it to ESL who are in the same situation, and they put on a lot of extra work for their WCS league, and it was great. so unless you are saying that 200-400k hours of ad revenue is enough to make or break WCS i dont see how mlg can be happy to move away from it. and if you cant make money on NA times with limited additional outlay, why are NASL to eager to move in to hosting it?
osmanic
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany200 Posts
June 18 2013 17:13 GMT
#130
this is really good !
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Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
June 18 2013 17:14 GMT
#131
Also, this continues the tradition of Blizzard totally fucking up everything they try to do the first time around, only to do it right the second time.
THELEHGOTERRAN
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1837 Posts
June 18 2013 17:14 GMT
#132
awwww yeaaa
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Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3685 Posts
June 18 2013 17:14 GMT
#133
So MLG just saved NASL? Pretty sick. I just really really really hate the fact that NASL will only do the lan part. No way will I watch any wcs na with ex-IPL producing, they went down for a reason. Also fuck yeah MLG can finally be the awesomeness that is it, I felt like doing wcs took to much away from their sick events anyways.
Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
June 18 2013 17:15 GMT
#134
To add to TB's excellent post, I think the finals issue is what makes the ex-IGN involvement really interesting, it could be a best of both worlds.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
June 18 2013 17:15 GMT
#135
Not surprised about the SF thing at all, but NASL hosting the finals is a nice touch.
Stuv
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Netherlands942 Posts
June 18 2013 17:15 GMT
#136
NASL soundguy incoming!
Toyman69
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada100 Posts
June 18 2013 17:16 GMT
#137
Thank god mlg is outta wcs am, it was just brutal. Glad Blizzard made the smart decision, albeit late.
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Clefairy
Profile Joined September 2011
1570 Posts
June 18 2013 17:16 GMT
#138
Yay! Thank you MLG for backing out.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 18 2013 17:16 GMT
#139
TB dropping knowledge on the subject. Its sad to hear that MLG didn't want to do it from the start, but I can see why the Blizzard marketing would want them. MLG works with CoD, which is another Activision game and I am sure there was some marketing genius that thought "they should just keep it all under one roof".

Glad NASL is back in action and I'm glad that MLG stepped back.
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Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
June 18 2013 17:16 GMT
#140
On June 19 2013 02:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Crossposting this from Reddit

So here's my personal opinion on this based on what I know of the situation of the last few months.

This is a good thing for an awful lot of reasons, but I think what most people aren't going to grasp is how good it is for MLG. The preconception is that WCS is a bag of money on a plate to any organization that gets it and holy shit is that completely inaccurate. WCS is a massive resource drain on any organization that hosts it. Blizzard do not in fact give you all the money you could ever need to run the event and MLG was put in a ridiculously difficult position to recoup costs because they had to host at an EU-unfriendly time. So you lock out your biggest audience by default and are then expected to recoup via sponsorship and ad revenue? What? The amount of money MLG had to spend with no possibility of return to run WCS was outrageous. More to the point, if you think MLG actually fought to get WCS you're WAAAAAYYY off. It was very much the other way around. Blizzard strategy involved having MLG do the event, Blizzard pushed for it. MLG was reluctant to take the event as they wanted to focus on what they're good at, their regular live Pro Circuit tournaments. They were pressured by Blizzard to take on WCS. NASL was shut out in the process.

As much hate as MLG gets, they didn't actually make that many mistakes outside of the dreadful qualifiers, they were simply put in a tough spot and had the misfortune of not being ESL. ESL has far more experience running this kind of regular online content and they happen to have a bit more of a laid-back image which lets them pull stuff like Carmac in a bee-suit, White-ra as a bartender, a live final in an abandoned sauna etc. Not only that but foreigners were actually able to compete to a reasonable degree there and the storylines came from that, as opposed to the stomping that occurred in the RO32 in WCS America. MLG got saddled with the consequences of Blizzards decision not to region-lock in the worst possible way and for some reason were blamed for it. Some people might think Blizzard kicked MLG out. I'm sure that's a nice narrative for the hivemind but nope, try the other way around.

You wanna know why MLG announced Anaheim so late, why the format is the way it is and why the prizepool isn't as large? WCS. WCS was the damn albatross around the neck of MLG. They weren't given an opportunity, they were given a burden. WCS wreaked havoc on the American scene, derailing NASL and negatively impacting MLGs actual events which have been the cornerstone of the US competitive scene since Starcraft 2 launched. Now it seems like some of those wrongs will finally be righted.

NASL is in a better position to produce the kind of format that WCS demands. They have more experience, 2 casting teams, the production crew and the facilities to do that daily content. It's what NASL are. NASL live finals are hardly the best things in the world, more often than not lack-luster, it's not their speciality. Their speciality is that daily show and the supporting content that is created around it. I honestly doubt we'll see a big leap in viewers. As much as its the popular opinion to suggest that less popular casters drag the viewer count down significantly it's really not the case at all. The lack of EU audience is what kills WCS America and it always will if it continues at that timeslot.
Anyway, I'm glad MLG can get back to doing what they do best and what they've always wanted to do. I've been behind that curtain and I saw how hard they worked on WCS America but it was abundantly clear that its not their biggest strength. There's nothing quite like an MLG crowd and hopefully WCS will not affect future MLG live events in the way it's affected Anaheim.

the only thing i don't like about this post is the fact you're telling me MLG has found a way to make money with sc2 again, which means they'll stay in this community :/
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