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On September 01 2011 10:09 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 10:05 wherebugsgo wrote: Can we double lynch the same person on one day? I think it goes with the two highest votes, so there seems to be a bigger politcal element in following lynch candidates. If one person gets 1 votes and the next highest is 1 they both get lynched. The person with the highest # of votes and the person with the next highest n# of votes will be lynched.
Also, GMarshal isn't playing, if you're still confused.
That being said, ##Vote Gmarshal
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On September 01 2011 11:14 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 10:57 redFF wrote:On September 01 2011 10:47 Varpulis wrote:On September 01 2011 10:38 redFF wrote: not comparing you to kurumi, just noting how your play is similar to your play in kurumi's game when you were scum. Ah, that. anything else? You want me to refute an opinion you have about similarities in my play as scum 3 or 4 games ago, which i obviously don't agree with? You have given me nothing to refute.
just drop it. No point in even talking about this.
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On September 01 2011 11:21 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 11:05 OriginalName wrote:On September 01 2011 10:57 redFF wrote:On September 01 2011 10:47 Varpulis wrote:On September 01 2011 10:38 redFF wrote: not comparing you to kurumi, just noting how your play is similar to your play in kurumi's game when you were scum. Ah, that. anything else? ...Meta lynching? Reals? It's going to be natural for people to read into other peoples' play styles. Also, GMarshal...claiming? And shrouded in nonsensical babble. Why? you didn't read the whole post, did you? GMarsal isn't playing. Basing votes and lynches purely off of meta is hit and miss. sometimes it can have accurate results (example being Mig in XLIV) but in other situations, (such as this one) it can lead to mislynches because somebody is playing "off their meta." I seem to get accused of this every other game, actually.
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On September 01 2011 09:54 Varpulis wrote: I have a proposal, for the purpose of maximizing efficiency with our mandated double lynch. For the first day, maybe the first 2, we lynch a scummy person, one of average activity, and the scummiest lurker.
This achieves all of the goals of a day one lynch (lynch somebody who people have given an opinon on and who will give information when/if we see them flip, as per the goal of a normal game), as well as eliminating a lurker.
Lurkers are hard to read and dare i say distracting to the town as the game goes on, so i'd like to take advantage of the tools given to us and get rid of them early.
As the game continues we will have more information to go on, and the chances of us accurately lynching more than one scum are increased, so we can lynch normally.
I think we should follow this
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On September 01 2011 11:30 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 11:21 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 01 2011 11:05 OriginalName wrote:On September 01 2011 10:57 redFF wrote:On September 01 2011 10:47 Varpulis wrote:On September 01 2011 10:38 redFF wrote: not comparing you to kurumi, just noting how your play is similar to your play in kurumi's game when you were scum. Ah, that. anything else? ...Meta lynching? Reals? It's going to be natural for people to read into other peoples' play styles. Also, GMarshal...claiming? And shrouded in nonsensical babble. Why? you didn't read the whole post, did you? GMarsal isn't playing. Basing votes and lynches purely off of meta is hit and miss. sometimes it can have accurate results (example being Mig in XLIV) but in other situations, (such as this one) it can lead to mislynches because somebody is playing "off their meta." I seem to get accused of this every other game, actually.
I'm not saying voting based of meta is good or bad. I'm just saying it will happen. People will tend to notice patterns in behavior.
Also, yes, I derped hard. GMarshal confused me =(
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On September 01 2011 09:37 Varpulis wrote:Role confirmed. Ground rules for a good game and a happy Varpy: - no spamming. Be efficient with your posts and try to make each one count. we don't need to hear every thought you have, so if you want to say something, organize your thoughts and put them all into ONE post
- no lurking. Be active and constructive. We won't be able to get an accurate read on you if you have no posts, and I don't want to have to resort to lurker lynches to get rid of people like that, especially in such a small game.
- no trolling. I understand that you want to have fun in a mafia game, but please don't do it in a way that will ruin the experience for others. fake claiming randomly falls into this category. I would discourage fake claiming in general, but in certain situations it serves a purpose. If you don't have a good reason, don't claim to be a role that you're not.
As an aside, claims should never be trusted outright. If we trust every claim, mafia will claim with impunity and we'll get destroyed. Palmar, could we try to start discussion without you tunneling the first person you see? first post in this game, meh tries to set policies, doesn't really contribute. also formats it nice and pretty for us, so thanks. Non-contributory, obvious points, pointless, shitty post. Attempts to look like hes trying to start a pro-town atmosphere etc. I mean no spamming, no lurking, no trolling??? THnaks captain obvious lol.
Now for another first post from a scum game.
On August 02 2011 05:00 Varpulis wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OTmnR.png) Alright guys, it's game on. I'd like to start with a suggestion. It's very basic, but very vital. Vig's, be you day or night, holster your gun and try to ignore the itch of your trigger finger. This holds true in every game, but it's especially important in this one. Look at the role list, and see how much kp we potentially have in the game. Every vig role has two shots, half of them can shoot during the day. That's a lot of kp that will be a lot more useful later on. Dayvigs: If you must shoot, claim and let us discuss. If you're willing to shoot, make sure that you've got approval from the town. Gut shots are wrong as often as they're right. Hatters: You guys are special, because even if the scumbag mafia doesn't kill you, your bob-ombs will still go off. You also can't move them, so I don't think it's a smart idea to place them from the get go. Wait a day/night cycle, at least. It's for the good of everybody. With that said, let's get to the game and kill us some scum. As an aside, i'm currently very dissapointed that Kurumi didn't give me my favorite class, though I guess it can't be helped, he wasn't in the game anyways. ![](/mirror/smilies/frown.gif) Hey look! Another non-contributory post which makes obvious points in an attempt to look pro town!!! (from this game- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971#1)
Now for another game where he was scum's first post.
On August 15 2011 03:40 Varpulis wrote: We need to be careful about lynches in this game. A lot of lynches have ended up tied in the past, and they worked out because of the most votes first mechanic(an example of this is DrH's experimental haunted mafia, day 1 lynch), but could end in disaster in this one. Double lynching by mistake is a good way to lose quickly and painfully.
Also, i'm going to be cracking down on people who are voting for people who are unlikely to get lynched without seriously pushing for such a lynch. It's practically an abstain vote, and abstain votes are scummy as all hell. Another post setting up policy, not really contributing. Trying to look pro-town in early stages of game. (from this game- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252552)
now for a game where he was dt.
On August 19 2011 12:58 Varpulis wrote: to be quite honest i completely skipped Navillus' wall of text. As always, i think we should declare an open season against lurkers. If scum lurk, they die. Period.
why is kenpachi smurfing as lucidity? not really declaring a plan, again with the lurking, but he makes a joke, less about we have to do this, im town and i have town's best interests etc. Much more free and less formatted/carefully put together. (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174)
town in ptp2
On July 26 2011 04:19 Varpulis wrote: Alright I'm caught up. Correct me if I'm wrong, but an accurate summary of the proceedings today is:
Jackal claims HP, ON claims voldy, ON dies, people say that Jackal is lying. YM kills ON, gets killed by tackster, supersoft kills tackster. Kitaman is lurking, Kurumi is trolling/soliciting votes.
I'm uneasy about lynching Jackal based purely on role speculation. I'd rather keep an eye on him and keep him the hell away from the hallows.
I'd be fine with lynching kitaman27 at the moment. Nobody vote for Kurumi, k? nothing about town policies, just genuinely giving an opinion on the suspects and the days events. No putting forward policies or trying to look pro-town. (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245008)
another game where he is town first post:
On June 14 2011 11:02 Varpulis wrote: Let's roll, bitches. RoL is scum. Nobody mason him. yup, that's pretty much in line with what i'd expect. now heres the second post
On June 14 2011 12:01 Varpulis wrote:A couple of guidelines for blues/players in general: - Don't mason people at random right away and certainly do not mason people who ask you to unless you're damn sure that they're town.
- In this setup, it might be worth detectives checking strong players night 0, so that you have a confirmed townie who knows what he's doing to mason should you need somebody to discuss things with later on.
- Medics should pick their protects from a pool of players that you'd like on the town's side later on. Mafia is likely to try to eliminate strong players before they have a chance to scumhunt.
- Vigis should absolutely not be shooting night 1. Your chances of hitting scum only get better if you be patient.
- In PMs:
-Do not roleclaim -Do not assume that the player that you're talking to is not mafia
That's all that I can think of atm. If you agree, disagree, or would like to add suggestions, do so. Let's get this discussion started. notice its a guide, but its purpose is not there to make him look pro-town. The game had a lot of newbie players, and some of the ideas in this post are not blatantly obvious e.g. do not lurk lol. THis is a perfect example of a helpful townie post, as opposed to his scum posts which are basically "hey im pro-town dont spam lol. This post is long and is obviously contributing!"
(from this game- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=230789)
Now you guys are probably gonna go like "META MEANS NOTHING SO DUMB STUPID LYNCH" I disagree meta is useful as fuck and since its early day 1 we need all the discussion we can get, so here's a good start. From all this and his reaction to my fos i have varp as the scummiest player in the game atm.
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you cant seriously be this useless
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On September 01 2011 11:39 Ace wrote: you cant seriously be this useless k
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how is trying to look pro-town a Scummy thing? Likewise, how is posting guidelines for the way you would want the game to proceed Scummy?
Neither are, and neither one is specific enough behavior to even matter.
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oh boy. Is he really picking out the subtle differences between my first posts in various games? Yes, the purpose of the one in the game when i was scum was to look pro town. Why? because a good town atmosphere and a functional, productive town is something we should all strive for, and attempting to get the town into such a situation is pro town. Sure, scum do it for town cred, but by that logic anything in any way pro-town is scummy.
And you know that chaos13 gave me lots of shit at the beginning of WW mafia, when i was scum, mind you, for doing the exact opposite of what i do in most games? Meta can't be counted on as the main point of an argument. If you're calling me scum because you disagree with my proposal, fine, that's an acceptable argument (though it's wrong) but if your primary reason for voting me is meta, you seriously need to rethink things.
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Why are we still disscussing Null-tells and passing it off as meta.
Red anything you want to add that actually is from this game? Because imo right now your digging yourself a grave.
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On September 01 2011 11:43 Ace wrote: how is trying to look pro-town a Scummy thing? Likewise, how is posting guidelines for the way you would want the game to proceed Scummy?
Neither are, and neither one is specific enough behavior to even matter.
Except...it would make sense that he would be "trying to look pro-town" if he were scum. The scum are the ones who would be "trying to look pro-town".
He is posting guidelines that are delightfully obvious. The things he lists are things that should happen in any town, and it's the scum's job to want to make them happen. The people who are town are town. The people who are not town want to look town.
I know you are a good scum hunter, Ace. And I know these are things you know. Why would you be so quick to refute the possibility of scum behavior?
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meh your first post was still scummy as shit varp, dont lurk, spam or troll, thanks for the tip.
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On September 01 2011 11:54 OriginalName wrote: Why are we still disscussing Null-tells and passing it off as meta.
Red anything you want to add that actually is from this game? Because imo right now your digging yourself a grave. how about ou post something useful instead of making 2 posts dismissing the only person attemtping to scumhunt so far this game.
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On September 01 2011 11:58 redFF wrote: meh your first post was still scummy as shit varp, dont lurk, spam or troll, thanks for the tip. what happens in almost every game?
People lurk, peoplePalmar spams, and the trolling bit is mostly just so i could fit in my "don't fakeclaim" thing, because apparently people don't know that. If you've been following XLIV, a fakeclaim got our medic killed (it was the medic fake-claiming).
I thought it was pertinent to add that little tip.
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On September 01 2011 12:03 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 11:58 redFF wrote: meh your first post was still scummy as shit varp, dont lurk, spam or troll, thanks for the tip. what happens in almost every game? People lurk, peoplePalmar spams, and the trolling bit is mostly just so i could fit in my "don't fakeclaim" thing, because apparently people don't know that. If you've been following XLIV, a fakeclaim got our medic killed (it was the medic fake-claiming). I thought it was pertinent to add that little tip. yeah your mafia...that was easy!
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On September 01 2011 12:18 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 12:03 Varpulis wrote:On September 01 2011 11:58 redFF wrote: meh your first post was still scummy as shit varp, dont lurk, spam or troll, thanks for the tip. what happens in almost every game? People lurk, peoplePalmar spams, and the trolling bit is mostly just so i could fit in my "don't fakeclaim" thing, because apparently people don't know that. If you've been following XLIV, a fakeclaim got our medic killed (it was the medic fake-claiming). I thought it was pertinent to add that little tip. yeah your mafia...that was easy! nice tunnel bro.
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On September 01 2011 12:20 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 12:18 redFF wrote:On September 01 2011 12:03 Varpulis wrote:On September 01 2011 11:58 redFF wrote: meh your first post was still scummy as shit varp, dont lurk, spam or troll, thanks for the tip. what happens in almost every game? People lurk, peoplePalmar spams, and the trolling bit is mostly just so i could fit in my "don't fakeclaim" thing, because apparently people don't know that. If you've been following XLIV, a fakeclaim got our medic killed (it was the medic fake-claiming). I thought it was pertinent to add that little tip. yeah your mafia...that was easy! nice tunnel bro. ... lol if im tunneling no point in worrying bout me why don't you just scumhunt?
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On September 01 2011 12:25 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 12:20 Varpulis wrote:On September 01 2011 12:18 redFF wrote:On September 01 2011 12:03 Varpulis wrote:On September 01 2011 11:58 redFF wrote: meh your first post was still scummy as shit varp, dont lurk, spam or troll, thanks for the tip. what happens in almost every game? People lurk, peoplePalmar spams, and the trolling bit is mostly just so i could fit in my "don't fakeclaim" thing, because apparently people don't know that. If you've been following XLIV, a fakeclaim got our medic killed (it was the medic fake-claiming). I thought it was pertinent to add that little tip. yeah your mafia...that was easy! nice tunnel bro. ... lol if im tunneling no point in worrying bout me why don't you just scumhunt? because there are 2 pages of posts so far and half the people in the game haven't even posted yet, maybe? Damned if I do, damned if i don't.
I'm going to bed. finger's crossed that RedFF will see sense by the time i wake up.
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