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@BC+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2012 03:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:29 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 15 2012 03:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2012 03:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
How does the fact that I pulled out of the elections make me more suspicious?
And did you completely ignore my plea for help regarding my mason situation? Or do you not care because now I'm suspicious? You as a former candidate go out of your way to encourage people to withdraw votes based on a lie. You can say you misread my post which potentially believable due to its length I find unlikely. If people were actively waiting for a piece of information then my large posts theoretically should be read carefully for said information. You are not like jay who has been on my nuts all game. Had you chosen to encourage people to not vote for me as I claimed mason and had solid reasons behind it then I would see you as more townlike, as it would also be discrediting another player with the same claim. By opting to instead cherry pick one candidate over the other I see an inconsistancy. I say this as you made mention before in thread that you had reservations of electing me before as my alignment with my role was not provable (minus a lynching obviously), however this issue would be near identical to another mason and had you kept with that line of thinking as two masons were in the running I would have understood. Singling me out however, via incorrect information, is why you are on my list. sup? first of all, I want to say sorry for saying the unvote thing. Regardless of what my read is of you, people should've unvoted you, if you didn't name your mason buddy. Which you did and therefore my statement was wront. I missed it, sorry! But it was well hidden. Normally such an anouncement is bold and on top of a post. But I guess, you have your reasons. Then, I was not on your nuts all game long. In the beginning, I actually was your biggest stan and saying your campaign is the best. Enter your roleclaim. As I stated like a billion times the motives behind it is still unclear to me. If you can describe me the upsides of your roleclaim, I will not think of you as scum again. Even more so, If you convince me your really town favoured, I will vote you again, since your campaign was the best and you're a good player. But since you kind of just nourished the discussion, but never thematized the timing of the roleclaim, you're scummy to me. The Hydra's case on you is pretty good IMO and is in line of what I believe. I try to be constructive, not just choose a player and piss him off. Using the phrase "has been on my nuts all game" is more or less accurate. You are really the only person who has been against me for a decent period of time. You also have said your reasons why. Do i agree with them? No. I do understand them however. If you compare what you were doing to what VE did you would understand why he is on a radar now and you are currently not. However, as for the upsides of my claim. Look at the specific post Incog (the hydra) quoted of mine from my town analysis thread that I believe i linked in a previous post. (if i didnt i can dig it up, its also somewhere on page 4-6 i believe of the mafia forum). I stress that most people don't use pm's correctly. In a situation where only a few specific players have access to that domain, it gives the mafia an advantage. They will have 10 people able to work on manipulating a player. You can say "i am going to look for manipulation so it won't happen" but again. Ask what I did to VE. It was subtle and vile. All I did was plant an idea that I knew he would think on and run with, and he did it in a way I knew he would. Manipulation is not obvious and a good player will know exactly how to do it without being caught. Mafia will have 10 people making sure its done right. I know that I can freely romp in pm land, but no smart mafia is going to talk to me seriously if i mason them. Why? Because i could do to them what they would do to another player. As such I had to think. How likely is it that only top players got the mason role? Unlikely as fw rng's roles. We are also a gimped mason as we lose contact with who we target after each cycle and can never use it on them again. This is inherently not helpful to town. Why? Because a townie benefits from bouncing ideas off one another in pms. However you need the time to build up a "trust" of sorts with the person to actually get a serious discussion on reads. People will naturally always suspect you at first when mason'd or at least they should. That is not alot of time to get by the distrust and have a discussion of who x and y think is scum. Then you have to go over all those pms and see if there is a hidden agenda there. PM's in the way we traditionally use them to "bounce ideas" or find scum are used over long periods of time with people mulling over information. As your ability to get reads is so short term they are unreliable and far more useful to manipulate or mislead which takes far less effort, and is doable in a much faster span of time. As such I opted to want to discuss the role. However, I also knew that based on my decision to heavily push this point, I would be forced to claim my role as there would be no way I would be able to hide that fact for the game while pushing heavy on its discussion. Even if I could, it could lead masons to out and out claim and would look extremely bad if I didn't while essentially outing people in thread. As such I did right from the get go.
I guess we're running in circles here. I've completely understand why you think masons are worse on a random town role. Especially, while having elected scum masons. Maybe, you read that in nearly all of my posts I 100% agree with you on that part. No arguements whatsoever here.
I just question the roleclaim decision, because I think that you could've become mayor and while doing that connecting your campaign with that discussion, you're strong enough player that you actually could have pushed for it. Also, why not discuss it at night.
Whatever. I still don't trust you...but again no need to answer here, no need to further discuss it.
Right now. I still don't know who to vote for. Hydra has not been very vocal and I feel thats not good...
BM hasn't been either. Just for a brief period of time...
Meapak, who are you gonna lynch?
Still, th
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On January 15 2012 06:06 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote:
I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll.
##Vote: BloodyC0bbler Care to explain?
I agreed if elected to not day 1 lynch foolishness or incog who I have scum reads on.
Instead I will choose someone else.
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On January 15 2012 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Okay, the answer: Vote VE for Mayor! Wait did he just say..... YES! VE has retardedly outted himself as a Town Jack by trying to daykill C_C. What an idiot, right? But hear me out. My case on CC is this: He's scummily inconsistent in his posting. Like take this post for example. He states in no uncertain terms that A) he's not going to vote for BC and also B) Palmar must be scum based on Occam's Razor. In this post he encourages me to stay in the mayoral race because he's voting for me. Here, he goes a step further and changes his lynch choice to BC.Wait a minute...he already said he agreed with the case on Palmar...Occam's Razor remember?In this post, he tries to shirk responsibility for Macpo's stance on BC (Macpo very clearly cites CC for changing his view on BC) by claiming it was actually Hydractinum that his post was based on. As town, I'd be flattered if one of my posts changed someone's mind, I certainly wouldn't try to say it was SOMEONE ELSE who actually did the legwork...especially if I'm seeking election! Okay, here's the post. In this post, he not only reverses his stance on BC, but he does so by saying "BC isn't as bad a candidate as everyone is making him out to be." Really? You've been one of his biggest detractors! Your campaign is based on LYNCHING BC! Interestingly, he also puts me on a lynch list....WHILE HIS VOTE FOR MAYOR IS STILL ON ME!!! This is so fucking damning guys. Now his vote is on BC. Now, I'm going to probably be roleblocked and killed tonight...we can avoid this by making me one of the elected officials. If I'm elected mayor, I'll lynch the fuck out of C_C. A Vote For VisceraEyes Is A Vote For Town Victory!!!!
I've been thinking you're town all game long but since you fakeclaimed (it was a fake claim right?) I'm not sure anymore 
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On January 15 2012 06:10 Jayjay54 wrote:@BC + Show Spoiler +On January 15 2012 03:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:29 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 15 2012 03:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2012 03:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
How does the fact that I pulled out of the elections make me more suspicious?
And did you completely ignore my plea for help regarding my mason situation? Or do you not care because now I'm suspicious? You as a former candidate go out of your way to encourage people to withdraw votes based on a lie. You can say you misread my post which potentially believable due to its length I find unlikely. If people were actively waiting for a piece of information then my large posts theoretically should be read carefully for said information. You are not like jay who has been on my nuts all game. Had you chosen to encourage people to not vote for me as I claimed mason and had solid reasons behind it then I would see you as more townlike, as it would also be discrediting another player with the same claim. By opting to instead cherry pick one candidate over the other I see an inconsistancy. I say this as you made mention before in thread that you had reservations of electing me before as my alignment with my role was not provable (minus a lynching obviously), however this issue would be near identical to another mason and had you kept with that line of thinking as two masons were in the running I would have understood. Singling me out however, via incorrect information, is why you are on my list. sup? first of all, I want to say sorry for saying the unvote thing. Regardless of what my read is of you, people should've unvoted you, if you didn't name your mason buddy. Which you did and therefore my statement was wront. I missed it, sorry! But it was well hidden. Normally such an anouncement is bold and on top of a post. But I guess, you have your reasons. Then, I was not on your nuts all game long. In the beginning, I actually was your biggest stan and saying your campaign is the best. Enter your roleclaim. As I stated like a billion times the motives behind it is still unclear to me. If you can describe me the upsides of your roleclaim, I will not think of you as scum again. Even more so, If you convince me your really town favoured, I will vote you again, since your campaign was the best and you're a good player. But since you kind of just nourished the discussion, but never thematized the timing of the roleclaim, you're scummy to me. The Hydra's case on you is pretty good IMO and is in line of what I believe. I try to be constructive, not just choose a player and piss him off. Using the phrase "has been on my nuts all game" is more or less accurate. You are really the only person who has been against me for a decent period of time. You also have said your reasons why. Do i agree with them? No. I do understand them however. If you compare what you were doing to what VE did you would understand why he is on a radar now and you are currently not. However, as for the upsides of my claim. Look at the specific post Incog (the hydra) quoted of mine from my town analysis thread that I believe i linked in a previous post. (if i didnt i can dig it up, its also somewhere on page 4-6 i believe of the mafia forum). I stress that most people don't use pm's correctly. In a situation where only a few specific players have access to that domain, it gives the mafia an advantage. They will have 10 people able to work on manipulating a player. You can say "i am going to look for manipulation so it won't happen" but again. Ask what I did to VE. It was subtle and vile. All I did was plant an idea that I knew he would think on and run with, and he did it in a way I knew he would. Manipulation is not obvious and a good player will know exactly how to do it without being caught. Mafia will have 10 people making sure its done right. I know that I can freely romp in pm land, but no smart mafia is going to talk to me seriously if i mason them. Why? Because i could do to them what they would do to another player. As such I had to think. How likely is it that only top players got the mason role? Unlikely as fw rng's roles. We are also a gimped mason as we lose contact with who we target after each cycle and can never use it on them again. This is inherently not helpful to town. Why? Because a townie benefits from bouncing ideas off one another in pms. However you need the time to build up a "trust" of sorts with the person to actually get a serious discussion on reads. People will naturally always suspect you at first when mason'd or at least they should. That is not alot of time to get by the distrust and have a discussion of who x and y think is scum. Then you have to go over all those pms and see if there is a hidden agenda there. PM's in the way we traditionally use them to "bounce ideas" or find scum are used over long periods of time with people mulling over information. As your ability to get reads is so short term they are unreliable and far more useful to manipulate or mislead which takes far less effort, and is doable in a much faster span of time. As such I opted to want to discuss the role. However, I also knew that based on my decision to heavily push this point, I would be forced to claim my role as there would be no way I would be able to hide that fact for the game while pushing heavy on its discussion. Even if I could, it could lead masons to out and out claim and would look extremely bad if I didn't while essentially outing people in thread. As such I did right from the get go. I guess we're running in circles here. I've completely understand why you think masons are worse on a random town role. Especially, while having elected scum masons. Maybe, you read that in nearly all of my posts I 100% agree with you on that part. No arguements whatsoever here. I just question the roleclaim decision, because I think that you could've become mayor and while doing that connecting your campaign with that discussion, you're strong enough player that you actually could have pushed for it. Also, why not discuss it at night. Whatever. I still don't trust you...but again no need to answer here, no need to further discuss it. Right now. I still don't know who to vote for. Hydra has not been very vocal and I feel thats not good... BM hasn't been either. Just for a brief period of time... Meapak, who are you gonna lynch? Still, th
Keep in mind I have stated that I didn't think this would get me elected, and was pretty sure it would screw my chances. Do I still want to be elected? yes obviously but I would understand why I wouldn't be.
Don't trust me well, maybe my actions if I dont get axed by the mayor will change that.
Thanks for actually considering what I have posted and thinking on it however, that is all i could ask for.
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On January 15 2012 06:02 Toadesstern wrote:
could we have an update on how the election is going?
I did one manually
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On January 15 2012 06:08 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 06:00 Palmar wrote:
I'm still giving my support to Protactinium, I have no problem with him killing BC if only for how stupid regardless of BC's alignment his claim is. Palmar do I look scummy to you for defending you? I mean I should look scummier for that. Can you tell me what you think the benefits / cons are for just EVERYONE who is Mason claiming now or being revealed by their mason buddy? @Jitsu It wasn't necessarily directed towards you just towards everyone in general. For those who don't have time to read this all VIGS : Jitsu [bl] Mattchew [/bl] Opz BC I'm posting this because I'm sure the mafia have noticed who they are and I wonder if townies have noticed as sometimes they've been hidden in long posts. I just think its ironic that we as town have revealed possibly 4 blues to mafia for very little reason. I feel like Opz's claim + VE revealing you (Jitsu) were useless claims. I understand Matt / BC's claim, and I'd like anyone else who wants to claim to have a reason for it.
Hold up, why are you blue hunting Sheth?
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On January 15 2012 05:24 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 05:16 L wrote:On January 15 2012 05:14 Toadesstern wrote:so VE you thought you're a dayvig and in reality you're not? Wtf is going on with this town people. Mass claims, mass fails, blues being modkilled, blue outing they vig-power and bc managed to get town discussing a whole day about pussy-masons. The only thing that could go worse would be Palmar stepping into this thread, threatening X to do Y or else he will dayvig him and X ends up dayvigging Z. Srsly guys wtf is wrong with you tonight Hi there! If you'd like to post in the thread, feel free to add content rather than remarking that things are bad. Watch what I do, okay? VE, Are you going to shoot CC tonight? See? Content! awesome. Let the guy who just claimed vig now claim who he is about to shoot so that mafia does not even have to wifom about if he's going to shoot or not but only has to wifom about VE really is "smart" enough to pull a drazerk on us or not. I mean you just asked a vig (if that's right) who he is about to shoot. I'll repeat it: You are asking a vig who he is about to shootwtf is going on.
Someone just made a claim to the strongest town role in the thread. He has multiple avenues to confirm his role if he's not lying.
No shit I'm going to ask him if he's going to shoot THE PERSON HE ALREADY TRIED TO SHOOT.
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As a note I am heading out for work, and will be back before the lynch. I will catch up on the thread then and if I am up for getting mayor update who my lynch will be, if not then I will post my thoughts on what has occurred to that point, Be back in like 4-5 hours.
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On January 15 2012 06:11 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Okay, the answer: Vote VE for Mayor! Wait did he just say..... YES! VE has retardedly outted himself as a Town Jack by trying to daykill C_C. What an idiot, right? But hear me out. My case on CC is this: He's scummily inconsistent in his posting. Like take this post for example. He states in no uncertain terms that A) he's not going to vote for BC and also B) Palmar must be scum based on Occam's Razor. In this post he encourages me to stay in the mayoral race because he's voting for me. Here, he goes a step further and changes his lynch choice to BC.Wait a minute...he already said he agreed with the case on Palmar...Occam's Razor remember?In this post, he tries to shirk responsibility for Macpo's stance on BC (Macpo very clearly cites CC for changing his view on BC) by claiming it was actually Hydractinum that his post was based on. As town, I'd be flattered if one of my posts changed someone's mind, I certainly wouldn't try to say it was SOMEONE ELSE who actually did the legwork...especially if I'm seeking election! Okay, here's the post. In this post, he not only reverses his stance on BC, but he does so by saying "BC isn't as bad a candidate as everyone is making him out to be." Really? You've been one of his biggest detractors! Your campaign is based on LYNCHING BC! Interestingly, he also puts me on a lynch list....WHILE HIS VOTE FOR MAYOR IS STILL ON ME!!! This is so fucking damning guys. Now his vote is on BC. Now, I'm going to probably be roleblocked and killed tonight...we can avoid this by making me one of the elected officials. If I'm elected mayor, I'll lynch the fuck out of C_C. A Vote For VisceraEyes Is A Vote For Town Victory!!!! I've been thinking you're town all game long but since you fakeclaimed (it was a fake claim right?) I'm not sure anymore
No it was a real claim...I idiotically thought my Vig power was a DayVig power and tried to kill C_C with it.
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Seriously guys this is all hands on deck. I'm very town and I'm very Jack. I need to be mayor.
VOTES ON VE GOGOGO
This isn't me trying to leverage my role to win the election - if I wanted to do that I would have done that already and not called BC out on it right after his claim. This is me trying to keep one of our most powerful roles IN THE GAME. I'm not going to do anymore stupid shit if you elect me.
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On January 15 2012 06:12 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 06:02 Toadesstern wrote:
could we have an update on how the election is going? I did one manually + Show Spoiler +Votes for MrWiggles (0)
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Bill Murray Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 06:08 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On January 15 2012 06:00 Palmar wrote:
I'm still giving my support to Protactinium, I have no problem with him killing BC if only for how stupid regardless of BC's alignment his claim is. Palmar do I look scummy to you for defending you? I mean I should look scummier for that. Can you tell me what you think the benefits / cons are for just EVERYONE who is Mason claiming now or being revealed by their mason buddy? @Jitsu It wasn't necessarily directed towards you just towards everyone in general. For those who don't have time to read this all VIGS : Jitsu [bl] Mattchew [/bl] Opz BC I'm posting this because I'm sure the mafia have noticed who they are and I wonder if townies have noticed as sometimes they've been hidden in long posts. I just think its ironic that we as town have revealed possibly 4 blues to mafia for very little reason. I feel like Opz's claim + VE revealing you (Jitsu) were useless claims. I understand Matt / BC's claim, and I'd like anyone else who wants to claim to have a reason for it. Hold up, why are you blue hunting Sheth?
I'm not on your list but I did vote for BM, that's why I wanted something official.
And I don't think sheth is blue hunting. I knew those 4 as well because it's important to know for tonwies as well. If I see a flip that shows something else that's important to know.
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On January 15 2012 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Okay, the answer: Vote VE for Mayor! Wait did he just say..... YES! VE has retardedly outted himself as a Town Jack by trying to daykill C_C. What an idiot, right? But hear me out. My case on CC is this: He's scummily inconsistent in his posting. Like take this post for example. He states in no uncertain terms that A) he's not going to vote for BC and also B) Palmar must be scum based on Occam's Razor. In this post he encourages me to stay in the mayoral race because he's voting for me. Here, he goes a step further and changes his lynch choice to BC.Wait a minute...he already said he agreed with the case on Palmar...Occam's Razor remember?In this post, he tries to shirk responsibility for Macpo's stance on BC (Macpo very clearly cites CC for changing his view on BC) by claiming it was actually Hydractinum that his post was based on. As town, I'd be flattered if one of my posts changed someone's mind, I certainly wouldn't try to say it was SOMEONE ELSE who actually did the legwork...especially if I'm seeking election! Okay, here's the post. In this post, he not only reverses his stance on BC, but he does so by saying "BC isn't as bad a candidate as everyone is making him out to be." Really? You've been one of his biggest detractors! Your campaign is based on LYNCHING BC! Interestingly, he also puts me on a lynch list....WHILE HIS VOTE FOR MAYOR IS STILL ON ME!!! This is so fucking damning guys. Now his vote is on BC. Now, I'm going to probably be roleblocked and killed tonight...we can avoid this by making me one of the elected officials. If I'm elected mayor, I'll lynch the fuck out of C_C. A Vote For VisceraEyes Is A Vote For Town Victory!!!!
The occams razor thing was to stop the WIFOM, not my personal stance.
When I said I wouldn't vote for BC now in that original post, well right then I wouldn't have, because he felt the need to claim his role. After thinking through the mason plans, I disagreed with it and was willing to lynch him. His continued belief after that his idea was good, and his other townie looking contributions outweighed the doubts I had about him.
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On January 14 2012 21:45 Jayjay54 wrote:6) Opz Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 06:18 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 14 2012 06:09 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 14 2012 06:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 14 2012 06:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 14 2012 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 14 2012 06:02 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm still wondering the proper benefits to the mass mason claim. I'm neutral as again, the role seems rather bland for the town this game. Being a mason doesn't confirm you. I'd like to know the general town consensus.
So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries*
to be fair i have no mod confirmation that i was mason'd -_- ...To be fair, do you think I would willingly violate the rules? I'm more about enjoying my experience of playing than winning. I'm above cheating at mafia. fair point. Thank you for that respect, good sir. so you're saying that the masoning has not been mod confirmed? or what rule didn't you want to violate? still waiting for an answer here as well. Not to accuse you. But I just don’t get what happened. You masoned him, you didn’t get confirmation and thus you never wrote him? Wth?
It's gonna be a while before I catch all the way up. I pm'd him immediately after selecting him as my mason target for the day. He wasn't gonna reply until it was mod confirmed to him.
Was this just a weak accusation to just make yourself look like you were doing something? Atleast wherebugsgo and BM tried harder, which is a huge stretch in and of itself.
Some notes as of yet:
L came posting, running a mayor campaign. Bill showed up too. Proact is lacking, :page 53. I'm bout to go for a walk with the ol' lady, so i just wanna come in and say some things and throw a vote out. I should be back well before the deadline though.
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@Sheth: No, you don't look scummy for defending me, mafia knows my alignment, but you could also simply have come to the correct conclusion. My current read on you is null, or maybe slightly leaning town
There is no real benefit in the mason thing, as the role is almost completely irrelevant this game, seeing as both sides have access to it. There is no con other than discussion about it taking up space and thought power that can be put to better use. I've basically decided to ignore the claims. I do however find it weird people are claiming on day 1.
I think this game is infested with masons and jacks, and I think the sooner we realize this, the sooner we can actually start getting something done.
I think Ciryandor may have screwed up in his very first post. Of all the things in that post what struck me as odd was the speculation if sandroba and I were going to run, just the way it was worded and in the context of his post, it feels like a very insecure statement.
I also think BC is a good lynch, because his claim is strictly bad. However, there also exists a scenario where BC believes he's doing something good, when he isn't, and it doesn't make him scum. I'm not sure.
Of other people I think VE should be treated as town if CC flips. As scum he'd have used his tunnel on me as an excuse to shoot me, I think. I'm on the fence about bugs. I think Refallen is very townie (or Cwave now). Meapak already looks like town. Kenpachi deserves a bullet, as usual.
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On January 15 2012 06:15 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 06:11 Toadesstern wrote:On January 15 2012 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Okay, the answer: Vote VE for Mayor! Wait did he just say..... YES! VE has retardedly outted himself as a Town Jack by trying to daykill C_C. What an idiot, right? But hear me out. My case on CC is this: He's scummily inconsistent in his posting. Like take this post for example. He states in no uncertain terms that A) he's not going to vote for BC and also B) Palmar must be scum based on Occam's Razor. In this post he encourages me to stay in the mayoral race because he's voting for me. Here, he goes a step further and changes his lynch choice to BC.Wait a minute...he already said he agreed with the case on Palmar...Occam's Razor remember?In this post, he tries to shirk responsibility for Macpo's stance on BC (Macpo very clearly cites CC for changing his view on BC) by claiming it was actually Hydractinum that his post was based on. As town, I'd be flattered if one of my posts changed someone's mind, I certainly wouldn't try to say it was SOMEONE ELSE who actually did the legwork...especially if I'm seeking election! Okay, here's the post. In this post, he not only reverses his stance on BC, but he does so by saying "BC isn't as bad a candidate as everyone is making him out to be." Really? You've been one of his biggest detractors! Your campaign is based on LYNCHING BC! Interestingly, he also puts me on a lynch list....WHILE HIS VOTE FOR MAYOR IS STILL ON ME!!! This is so fucking damning guys. Now his vote is on BC. Now, I'm going to probably be roleblocked and killed tonight...we can avoid this by making me one of the elected officials. If I'm elected mayor, I'll lynch the fuck out of C_C. A Vote For VisceraEyes Is A Vote For Town Victory!!!! I've been thinking you're town all game long but since you fakeclaimed (it was a fake claim right?) I'm not sure anymore No it was a real claim...I idiotically thought my Vig power was a DayVig power and tried to kill C_C with it.
yeah but I don't blieve that claim at all. So I'm obviously asking myself why you claimed bullshit.
Furthermore I'm asking myself why you're starting to get chaos right now with another last second mayor candidate.
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On January 15 2012 06:18 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Okay, the answer: Vote VE for Mayor! Wait did he just say..... YES! VE has retardedly outted himself as a Town Jack by trying to daykill C_C. What an idiot, right? But hear me out. My case on CC is this: He's scummily inconsistent in his posting. Like take this post for example. He states in no uncertain terms that A) he's not going to vote for BC and also B) Palmar must be scum based on Occam's Razor. In this post he encourages me to stay in the mayoral race because he's voting for me. Here, he goes a step further and changes his lynch choice to BC.Wait a minute...he already said he agreed with the case on Palmar...Occam's Razor remember?In this post, he tries to shirk responsibility for Macpo's stance on BC (Macpo very clearly cites CC for changing his view on BC) by claiming it was actually Hydractinum that his post was based on. As town, I'd be flattered if one of my posts changed someone's mind, I certainly wouldn't try to say it was SOMEONE ELSE who actually did the legwork...especially if I'm seeking election! Okay, here's the post. In this post, he not only reverses his stance on BC, but he does so by saying "BC isn't as bad a candidate as everyone is making him out to be." Really? You've been one of his biggest detractors! Your campaign is based on LYNCHING BC! Interestingly, he also puts me on a lynch list....WHILE HIS VOTE FOR MAYOR IS STILL ON ME!!! This is so fucking damning guys. Now his vote is on BC. Now, I'm going to probably be roleblocked and killed tonight...we can avoid this by making me one of the elected officials. If I'm elected mayor, I'll lynch the fuck out of C_C. A Vote For VisceraEyes Is A Vote For Town Victory!!!! The occams razor thing was to stop the WIFOM, not my personal stance. When I said I wouldn't vote for BC now in that original post, well right then I wouldn't have, because he felt the need to claim his role. After thinking through the mason plans, I disagreed with it and was willing to lynch him. His continued belief after that his idea was good, and his other townie looking contributions outweighed the doubts I had about him.
He hadn't added anything new to the equation that wasn't already in thread when you changed your LYNCH CHOICE TO BC. He repeated the stuff he'd already said...I know, because I was asking him a specific question that he was failing to answer.
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On January 15 2012 06:15 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 06:11 Toadesstern wrote:On January 15 2012 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Okay, the answer: Vote VE for Mayor! Wait did he just say..... YES! VE has retardedly outted himself as a Town Jack by trying to daykill C_C. What an idiot, right? But hear me out. My case on CC is this: He's scummily inconsistent in his posting. Like take this post for example. He states in no uncertain terms that A) he's not going to vote for BC and also B) Palmar must be scum based on Occam's Razor. In this post he encourages me to stay in the mayoral race because he's voting for me. Here, he goes a step further and changes his lynch choice to BC.Wait a minute...he already said he agreed with the case on Palmar...Occam's Razor remember?In this post, he tries to shirk responsibility for Macpo's stance on BC (Macpo very clearly cites CC for changing his view on BC) by claiming it was actually Hydractinum that his post was based on. As town, I'd be flattered if one of my posts changed someone's mind, I certainly wouldn't try to say it was SOMEONE ELSE who actually did the legwork...especially if I'm seeking election! Okay, here's the post. In this post, he not only reverses his stance on BC, but he does so by saying "BC isn't as bad a candidate as everyone is making him out to be." Really? You've been one of his biggest detractors! Your campaign is based on LYNCHING BC! Interestingly, he also puts me on a lynch list....WHILE HIS VOTE FOR MAYOR IS STILL ON ME!!! This is so fucking damning guys. Now his vote is on BC. Now, I'm going to probably be roleblocked and killed tonight...we can avoid this by making me one of the elected officials. If I'm elected mayor, I'll lynch the fuck out of C_C. A Vote For VisceraEyes Is A Vote For Town Victory!!!! I've been thinking you're town all game long but since you fakeclaimed (it was a fake claim right?) I'm not sure anymore No it was a real claim...I idiotically thought my Vig power was a DayVig power and tried to kill C_C with it.
this kinda feels like the echelot "-town" incident (where is he anyways? he still ows me an explanation?)
either this was a very very very stupid mistake or you claimed "by accident" to become mayor. I tend to the second option. Feels off.
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On January 15 2012 06:13 L wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 05:24 Toadesstern wrote:On January 15 2012 05:16 L wrote:On January 15 2012 05:14 Toadesstern wrote:so VE you thought you're a dayvig and in reality you're not? Wtf is going on with this town people. Mass claims, mass fails, blues being modkilled, blue outing they vig-power and bc managed to get town discussing a whole day about pussy-masons. The only thing that could go worse would be Palmar stepping into this thread, threatening X to do Y or else he will dayvig him and X ends up dayvigging Z. Srsly guys wtf is wrong with you tonight Hi there! If you'd like to post in the thread, feel free to add content rather than remarking that things are bad. Watch what I do, okay? VE, Are you going to shoot CC tonight? See? Content! awesome. Let the guy who just claimed vig now claim who he is about to shoot so that mafia does not even have to wifom about if he's going to shoot or not but only has to wifom about VE really is "smart" enough to pull a drazerk on us or not. I mean you just asked a vig (if that's right) who he is about to shoot. I'll repeat it: You are asking a vig who he is about to shootwtf is going on. Someone just made a claim to the strongest town role in the thread. He has multiple avenues to confirm his role if he's not lying. No shit I'm going to ask him if he's going to shoot THE PERSON HE ALREADY TRIED TO SHOOT.
Jack has too many limitations to be the strongest blue role.
On January 15 2012 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Seriously guys this is all hands on deck. I'm very town and I'm very Jack. I need to be mayor.
VOTES ON VE GOGOGO
This isn't me trying to leverage my role to win the election - if I wanted to do that I would have done that already and not called BC out on it right after his claim. This is me trying to keep one of our most powerful roles IN THE GAME. I'm not going to do anymore stupid shit if you elect me.
You aren't seriously demanding to be given more responsibility after trying to day 1 vig?
Use your veteran life and rely on heals.
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On January 15 2012 06:20 Palmar wrote:
I think this game is infested with masons and jacks, and I think the sooner we realize this, the sooner we can actually start getting something done.
What I meant to say is "and I think the sooner we realize this is irrelevant, the sooner we can actually start getting something done".
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On January 15 2012 06:20 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 06:15 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 15 2012 06:11 Toadesstern wrote:On January 15 2012 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Okay, the answer: Vote VE for Mayor! Wait did he just say..... YES! VE has retardedly outted himself as a Town Jack by trying to daykill C_C. What an idiot, right? But hear me out. My case on CC is this: He's scummily inconsistent in his posting. Like take this post for example. He states in no uncertain terms that A) he's not going to vote for BC and also B) Palmar must be scum based on Occam's Razor. In this post he encourages me to stay in the mayoral race because he's voting for me. Here, he goes a step further and changes his lynch choice to BC.Wait a minute...he already said he agreed with the case on Palmar...Occam's Razor remember?In this post, he tries to shirk responsibility for Macpo's stance on BC (Macpo very clearly cites CC for changing his view on BC) by claiming it was actually Hydractinum that his post was based on. As town, I'd be flattered if one of my posts changed someone's mind, I certainly wouldn't try to say it was SOMEONE ELSE who actually did the legwork...especially if I'm seeking election! Okay, here's the post. In this post, he not only reverses his stance on BC, but he does so by saying "BC isn't as bad a candidate as everyone is making him out to be." Really? You've been one of his biggest detractors! Your campaign is based on LYNCHING BC! Interestingly, he also puts me on a lynch list....WHILE HIS VOTE FOR MAYOR IS STILL ON ME!!! This is so fucking damning guys. Now his vote is on BC. Now, I'm going to probably be roleblocked and killed tonight...we can avoid this by making me one of the elected officials. If I'm elected mayor, I'll lynch the fuck out of C_C. A Vote For VisceraEyes Is A Vote For Town Victory!!!! I've been thinking you're town all game long but since you fakeclaimed (it was a fake claim right?) I'm not sure anymore No it was a real claim...I idiotically thought my Vig power was a DayVig power and tried to kill C_C with it. yeah but I don't blieve that claim at all. So I'm obviously asking myself why you claimed bullshit. Furthermore I'm asking myself why you're starting to get chaos right now with another last second mayor candidate.
What are you talking about? Why would I claim like that? Why would I RUIN my credibility by claiming in that way if it wasn't a real claim? I'm not trying to start chaos, I'm trying to get elected and protect one of our Jacks.
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I also don't like sandroba at the moment.
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