• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:41
CEST 15:41
KST 22:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-66SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-63PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)11Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE15
StarCraft 2
General
August World Ranking: Clem climbs to #2 Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week Life's Huge Gambling Spree After IEM Katowice 2014
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event INu's Battles #19 2-Days Event SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-6
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance
Brood War
General
Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion [Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60 ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool
Tourneys
2v2v2v2 Tournament [Megathread] Daily Proleagues SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-6 Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Beyond All Reason Path of Exile
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club The Scarlett Fan Club The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
valeq
valeq
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
What is a Gamer?
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3768 users

STOP "PROTECT IP (S. 968)/SOPA (HR. 3261)" - Page 6

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 97 Next
http://keepthewebopen.com/sopa
LoneWolf.Alpha-
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
123 Posts
November 15 2011 21:22 GMT
#101
So you're saying that if this law passes, any poster can shut down tlnet by posting some copyrighted things, and then complaining that tlnet has copyrighted things?

I can't wait to abuse the crap out of this.
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
November 15 2011 21:24 GMT
#102
I don't want to browse on this planet anymore...
The universe created an audience for itself.
LoneWolf.Alpha-
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
123 Posts
November 15 2011 21:28 GMT
#103
corporatocracy. one dollar one vote.
Retgery
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1229 Posts
November 15 2011 21:32 GMT
#104
Can anyone outside of the states do anything?
Fall down 7 times, stand up 8.
treekiller
Profile Joined July 2010
United States236 Posts
November 15 2011 21:49 GMT
#105
Find out what state you live in? We Americans might be stupid, but were no that stupid. Seriously.
All good things must come to an end. Therefore, SC2 will last forever
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
November 15 2011 21:51 GMT
#106
On November 16 2011 06:49 treekiller wrote:
Find out what state you live in? We Americans might be stupid, but were no that stupid. Seriously.

They use that as the first step to illustrate how easy it is to do, not to call americans stupid.
treekiller
Profile Joined July 2010
United States236 Posts
November 15 2011 21:52 GMT
#107
Here is the official summary from the Congressional Research Service.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:SN00968:@@@D&summ2=m&
All good things must come to an end. Therefore, SC2 will last forever
MileyCyrus
Profile Joined August 2010
United States285 Posts
November 15 2011 22:15 GMT
#108
On November 16 2011 06:49 treekiller wrote:
Find out what state you live in? We Americans might be stupid, but were no that stupid. Seriously.


Just a joke, no need to read into it like that.
vvv-gaming.com
Omnipresent
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States871 Posts
November 15 2011 22:22 GMT
#109
Does anyone know where I can find a calm, rational, and well sourced article about this? I'm completely willing to believe that it's 100% terrible and only the result of evil corporations trying to control us and our government, but I'd like to hear it from a more thorough source.
ArcticRaven
Profile Joined August 2011
France1406 Posts
November 15 2011 22:30 GMT
#110
Wow, now that's scary. If a non-US citizen can help in any way..... I'll be glad.
[Govie] Wierd shit, on a 6 game AP winning streak with KOTL in the trench. I searched gandalf quotes and spammed them all game long, trenchwarfare247, whateva it takes!
MileyCyrus
Profile Joined August 2010
United States285 Posts
November 15 2011 22:31 GMT
#111
On November 16 2011 07:30 ArcticRaven wrote:
Wow, now that's scary. If a non-US citizen can help in any way..... I'll be glad.


find your american friends, shout at them until they do something
vvv-gaming.com
driftme
Profile Joined June 2010
United States360 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 22:55:07
November 15 2011 22:37 GMT
#112
On November 16 2011 07:22 Omnipresent wrote:
Does anyone know where I can find a calm, rational, and well sourced article about this? I'm completely willing to believe that it's 100% terrible and only the result of evil corporations trying to control us and our government, but I'd like to hear it from a more thorough source.


here's the actual bill:
http://leahy.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/BillText-PROTECTIPAct.pdf

and some good articles/sites:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110712/12371715059/rep-anna-eshoo-silicon-valley-thinks-protect-ip-is-about-immigration.shtml
http://act.demandprogress.org/sign/protectip_docs
http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2011/1115_cybersecurity_friedman.aspx
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110510/13285714230/son-coica-protect-ip-act-will-allow-broad-censorship-powers-including-copyright-holders.shtml
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67985.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ciocentral/2011/11/11/the-case-for-the-protect-ip-act-and-dns-filtering/

those have some great explanations and viewpoints from relevant people. if i remember correctly, the last article is written by a proponent. good to have other viewpoints too, even if theyre wrong =]

EDIT: OH! I forgot the three most important things... this is a series about these new legislations (sopa included) everyone who wants to learn more should read these:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/disastrous-ip-legislation-back-–-and-it’s-worse-ever
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/sopa-hollywood-finally-gets-chance-break-internet
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/11/hollywood-new-war-on-software-freedom-and-internet-innovation

EDIT 2: Here's another link to an interesting read about another legislation/enforcement debacle.. its still going on and will only get worse with PIPA and SOPA
https://www.eff.org/wp/unintended-consequences-under-dmca
driftme
Profile Joined June 2010
United States360 Posts
November 15 2011 22:44 GMT
#113
One of the other dangers of this bill is it introduces penalties to parties that are innocent by today's laws, laws which are untouched by this bill. It simply adds new enforcement options that affect people who aren't breaking the law.
RoKetha
Profile Joined July 2010
United States211 Posts
November 15 2011 23:09 GMT
#114
Possibly the single dumbest thing this bill does is remove the safe harbor provisions of the DMCA. The DMCA was poorly thought out as is because it just doesn't work on the scale of the internet (hence why you can get literally anything pulled off Youtube without review just by flagging it for copyright violations without being the copyright owner.) But at least the DMCA only caused the unfair removal of individual works. Blocking a site's revenue and removing it from DNS because of third-party content is ludicrous when there are often millions or even billions of works hosted on a site.

It is literally impossible to prevent third-party copyright violations without using a whitelist model. It's just a matter of sheer scale. That alone would effectively end the era of user-generated content on the internet, and probably cause billions in economic damage as a result. Heck, considering the history of Google, Facebook, Zynga, and others, it could very well be trillions in lost opportunities.

Then there's the fact that accusations don't even need review to result in total site shutdown. The DMCA was already bad about this, since little sites could be targeted by random individuals or companies and forced to pull content simply because they couldn't afford to go to court. But at least the DMCA just resulted in the removal of that work and allowed time for a response. With this bill, it's five days (which is absolutely absurd by any stretch and cannot even be argued as ignorant; it's downright malicious and unconstitutional) before you lose all sources of income and funding for your site. Which may be your business. Without review. And there's nothing stopping someone from filing against you just because they feel like it if they can claim they had reason to believe you might be violating copyright somewhere.

It's said that you should never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by ignorance. But there is no possible way that these points have not been raised. This is a purely malicious buyout of our rights and tech economy by old rich men.
bobobobojos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States59 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 23:48:05
November 15 2011 23:47 GMT
#115
JARLAXLE VS BOBA FETT????????????????????
Omnipresent
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States871 Posts
November 15 2011 23:50 GMT
#116
On November 16 2011 07:37 driftme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 07:22 Omnipresent wrote:
Does anyone know where I can find a calm, rational, and well sourced article about this? I'm completely willing to believe that it's 100% terrible and only the result of evil corporations trying to control us and our government, but I'd like to hear it from a more thorough source.


here's the actual bill:
http://leahy.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/BillText-PROTECTIPAct.pdf

and some good articles/sites:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110712/12371715059/rep-anna-eshoo-silicon-valley-thinks-protect-ip-is-about-immigration.shtml
http://act.demandprogress.org/sign/protectip_docs
http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2011/1115_cybersecurity_friedman.aspx
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110510/13285714230/son-coica-protect-ip-act-will-allow-broad-censorship-powers-including-copyright-holders.shtml
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67985.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ciocentral/2011/11/11/the-case-for-the-protect-ip-act-and-dns-filtering/

those have some great explanations and viewpoints from relevant people. if i remember correctly, the last article is written by a proponent. good to have other viewpoints too, even if theyre wrong =]

EDIT: OH! I forgot the three most important things... this is a series about these new legislations (sopa included) everyone who wants to learn more should read these:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/disastrous-ip-legislation-back-–-and-it’s-worse-ever
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/sopa-hollywood-finally-gets-chance-break-internet
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/11/hollywood-new-war-on-software-freedom-and-internet-innovation

EDIT 2: Here's another link to an interesting read about another legislation/enforcement debacle.. its still going on and will only get worse with PIPA and SOPA
https://www.eff.org/wp/unintended-consequences-under-dmca

Thank you.

I found the techdirt articles really helpful, especially this one, which is linked in the first article your posted. It contains a copy of a letter from a group of law professors about this.

It looks like this has all the problems of the DMCA with even fewer protections, a wider reach (implicating companies and removing most if not all safe harbor protections), more severe penalties, and a weaker appeal process. It sounds like a nightmare to me.

And honestly, the guy in the Forbes article didn't even sound that wrong. This just isn't the right approach. It's mostly the prior restraint issues, striking lack of due process, and general heavy-handedness of the whole thing that bother me.
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
November 15 2011 23:58 GMT
#117
Miley, do you know if Yarmuth or any reps in general are looking like they are going to vote for this bill? I don't want to spam all our reps, especially if they plan to vote against it anyway.
PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
November 16 2011 00:01 GMT
#118
rise up in arms! its about time some of the western countries needed a good revolution! I'm looking at you US, UK, France, Spain, Greece and Italy! yeah
TLO FIGHTING | me all in, he drone drone drone, me win - SK.MC | JINROLLED! | KraToss for the win
TempusDESU
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia87 Posts
November 16 2011 01:58 GMT
#119
So much for freedom of speech. The american government seems to be so ignorant towards the internet. It's the same over here, albeit not as bad. I feel sorry for America
I need a new quote :S
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
November 16 2011 02:06 GMT
#120
Why are the people in the USA letting their goverment run their nation? You guys are suppose to be running the nations .. those political figures are only representative .. This is fucked up.
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 97 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
INu's Battles
11:00
#19 - Day 1
Clem vs NightMareLIVE!
IntoTheiNu 1505
WardiTV1085
LiquipediaDiscussion
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #140
Classic vs IbaLIVE!
ByuN vs TBD
CranKy Ducklings60
CranKy Ducklings SOOP11
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 43841
Calm 10155
Bisu 2625
EffOrt 983
Jaedong 947
BeSt 763
Horang2 641
Shuttle 559
Mini 446
Leta 316
[ Show more ]
Larva 303
Stork 278
ZerO 274
Zeus 140
hero 99
Hyun 76
Sharp 75
Pusan 75
Mong 70
Mind 54
JYJ 50
ToSsGirL 48
Hm[arnc] 43
Terrorterran 27
sorry 27
soO 25
Shine 23
Barracks 22
Sexy 21
zelot 16
Rock 12
Noble 7
IntoTheRainbow 7
Dota 2
Gorgc12852
Dendi1054
syndereN309
BananaSlamJamma149
Counter-Strike
byalli533
edward322
Other Games
singsing1979
B2W.Neo941
hiko710
Lowko527
Pyrionflax185
Liquid`LucifroN182
Liquid`VortiX96
ZerO(Twitch)18
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV76
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 22
lovetv 17
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV480
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
10h 19m
Replay Cast
19h 19m
Kung Fu Cup
21h 19m
Replay Cast
1d 10h
The PondCast
1d 20h
INu's Battles
1d 21h
Percival vs Cure
Replay Cast
2 days
Escore
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
herO vs SHIN
Clem vs Solar
Serral vs Rogue
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
PiG Sty Festival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-03
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
RSL Revival: Season 6
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5
Escore Tournament S3: W6
Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.