• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:12
CEST 04:12
KST 11:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists12[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy21
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers11Maestros of the Game 2 announced32026 GSL Tour plans announced10Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid20
StarCraft 2
General
Baze University 2026/2027 Admission Form is Out. C Adeleke University 2026/2027 Admission Form is Out Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail MaNa leaves Team Liquid Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) SEL Doubles (SC Evo Bimonthly) $5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power
Brood War
General
Pros React To: Tulbo in Ro.16 Group A ASL21 General Discussion BW General Discussion [BSL22] RO32 Group Stage mca64Launcher - New Version with StarCraft: Remast
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group B Small VOD Thread 2.0 Korean KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2 [BSL22] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CEST
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Reappraising The Situation T…
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1877 users

TL Health and Fitness Initiative 2011 - Page 549

Forum Index > Sports
Post a Reply
Prev 1 547 548 549 550 551 730 Next
caruso
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany733 Posts
September 04 2011 06:52 GMT
#10961
On September 04 2011 07:05 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2011 05:48 caruso wrote:
caruso
Age: 23 || Height: 173 cm || Weight: 65 kg
Starting Date: 03.09.2011 || Goal Date: 01.10.2011, 01.11.2011
Weight goals: 62 kg, 59 kg
Misc goals: get fucking sleeping cycle right.


Dang that's really light. Any particular reason you're looking to lose further weight? I know marathoners are usually quite light (geb was 56kg at 165cm), but aside from that..

It's just.. this particular post strikes with me because I'm basically the same height and used to weigh your goal weight (59kg). Actually I was even 57kg at one point. Looking back on my pictures now I'm shocked I was ever that skinny.. like starving-child skinny.
Just wondering the reason for that goal, I can't imagine our frames being too different


Guess I've just got light bones. I'm quite chubby, actually.
Zurachi
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada289 Posts
September 04 2011 07:00 GMT
#10962
Age: 22 || Height: 5'9" || Weight: 200lbs
Starting Date: 29/08/11 || Goal Date: 31/12/11
Weight goals -- 180 By the end of this December. 170 is the main milestone.
Training goals -- Being able to stick to a scheduled routine without taking days off or cutting corners. Increase workout frequency and intensity monthly.
Nutrition goals -- Completely cut fast food out of my diet. Start cooking at home everyday. Smaller and more frequent meals.
Misc goals -- I want to have MORE energy! More energy means more starcraft, amirite? :D

On September 04 2011 01:58 glurio wrote:
Aim for one pound a week.


I think thats actually a good, patient mentality to have. I'll go with it. Thanks!
@ZurachiTV | www.youtube.com/ZurachiTV | "Satisfaction is the beginning of regression."
Ludrik
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia523 Posts
September 04 2011 11:56 GMT
#10963
I just played a game of indoor soccer and got raped due to lack of conditioning.

What do people do for interval training? I'm thinking I'll keep it basic and do hill sprints. 20-30m up a steep gradient and just repeat until I get tired. I'll do this once or twice a week.
Only a fool would die laughing. I was a fool.
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
September 04 2011 12:41 GMT
#10964
On September 04 2011 20:56 Ludrik wrote:
I just played a game of indoor soccer and got raped due to lack of conditioning.

What do people do for interval training? I'm thinking I'll keep it basic and do hill sprints. 20-30m up a steep gradient and just repeat until I get tired. I'll do this once or twice a week.


The program I did was 30 seconds of high intensity followed by 60 seconds of low intensity. It went something like this:

1.) 2 minute warmup with light-moderate intensity
2.) 30 seconds of high intensity
3.) 60 seconds of low intensity
4.) (Repeat 2 and 3 six to eight times)
5.) 2 minute cooldown with low intensity

Ludrik
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia523 Posts
September 04 2011 13:04 GMT
#10965
On September 04 2011 21:41 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2011 20:56 Ludrik wrote:
I just played a game of indoor soccer and got raped due to lack of conditioning.

What do people do for interval training? I'm thinking I'll keep it basic and do hill sprints. 20-30m up a steep gradient and just repeat until I get tired. I'll do this once or twice a week.


The program I did was 30 seconds of high intensity followed by 60 seconds of low intensity. It went something like this:

1.) 2 minute warmup with light-moderate intensity
2.) 30 seconds of high intensity
3.) 60 seconds of low intensity
4.) (Repeat 2 and 3 six to eight times)
5.) 2 minute cooldown with low intensity


I think something along those lines would suit me really well. Do you feel as though it was effective for you?
Only a fool would die laughing. I was a fool.
Snapplecakes
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway78 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-04 14:29:33
September 04 2011 13:30 GMT
#10966
im just redoing my post for some more background information.. this is a huge deal for me and i want to make it justice.. ill repost soon





SQUATS AND OATS!
Ludrik
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia523 Posts
September 04 2011 13:38 GMT
#10967
Great work man! There's a huuuge difference between the before and after photos.
Only a fool would die laughing. I was a fool.
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
September 04 2011 13:41 GMT
#10968
@Dimsum

I've got a question about "maxing."

John Broz says that you should make six max attempts for a lift every session. What exactly does that mean? If I hit a new PR, do I try to move the weight up a little and hit another PR? If I fail on a lift, do I try again right after? I'm not completely certain what I'm supposed to be doing here, and as of late I've just been making one PR attempt in all of my lifts before backing off.

@Ludrik

Yeah, it was effective for me. Even more important was there was a study comparing HIIT to normal cardio using this format, and the HIIT group beat the normal cardio group significantly in weight loss.
edzwoo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States469 Posts
September 04 2011 13:49 GMT
#10969
Hey guys, I'm new to this thread and working out in general. I just started a version of SS about 3 weeks ago and I've been trying to get my form down by myself. I've got a video of me doing my third set of squats and pendlay rows which are the ones I'm most concerned with my form.

I kinda found out recently that starting strength's book revolves around low bar squatting, but I was actually doing my squats with the bar positioned on my traps while trying to follow the instructions in the book, so that probably hasn't been very good for my back .

Rows I'm just not really sure what to look for since there isn't much material on it on SS. I've just been youtubing videos and reading forums/articles.

If it matters at all I'm 6' and 167lb.

Here's my third set of squats.
+ Show Spoiler +


3rd set of rows. Crappy makeshift elevation solution. Maybe not the best idea because the iron plates aren't very good for stacking... but I'll probably go and buy some more mats later.
+ Show Spoiler +


If I have to drop down weights or something to get form right, that's okay. I'm a total newbie so go easy on me!
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4735 Posts
September 04 2011 14:19 GMT
#10970
Great work @ Snapplecakes (although I don't know why you edited your post out). Losing 20kg+ in 5 months is quite an accomplishement. Don't know how you manage to only eat 1400kcal on off-days. I would starve to death.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Ohnoes92
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden76 Posts
September 04 2011 14:20 GMT
#10971
@Snapplecakes:
Holy shit! Couch potato to general awesomness and great progress on the lifts.
Ohai!
kurrysauce
Profile Joined October 2010
272 Posts
September 04 2011 14:25 GMT
#10972
Hey , I posted my problem here before . Was wondering if anybody had experience dealing with muscle tightness .

I went to a sports practitioner couple weeks ago because my left upper back muscles were tight and hurting like a bitch. Been having this pain for a couple months now. He told me its because they were tight and advised me to stop doing such high intensity work. ( I was doing Texas method at that time , with great success I might add )

Unfortunately , I'm a poor student who can't afford to receive treatment from him until I save enough money. Any of you guys know how to relieve upper back pain or tightness?
Snapplecakes
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway78 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-04 15:11:01
September 04 2011 14:56 GMT
#10973
heres some background information that not everyone might want to read, its about my journey from 135kg to where i am now !

+ Show Spoiler +

so its time for the biggest update in my life!

i wanna start out with some background story as this goes back to my teens!

all through my life ive been overweight, ive been what you would call a nerd and an emotional eater.. i used to sit infront of my comp and game WOW 14 hours a day, i dropped out of school
and just basically lived my life through the monitor. i can still remember the day i went on the scale and it clocked in at 135kg and i still managed to tell myself that "its allright dude
youre just a big guy with a big build, atleast youre strong and got charm!"

[image loading]

yeeeeahh.. i wouldnt exactly call this charming in any sense of the word haha


the big turning point for me came at a point where i was basically playing games til 10 am in the morning and sleeping til close to midnight just to get up again and game even more, i got seriously ill
the spring of 2008 after dropping out of school AGAIN to game even more.. i got some sort of arthritis that they never managed to diagnose completely, to put it short i was constantly nauseus,
my foot swelled up and i was in serious bad mental condition and got admitted to the hospital to find out what was wrong with me.. i made a slow recovery and decided that now is the time to do
something with my life, i started as chef trainee at a hotel and started losing weight rapidly (just from actually being active)

[image loading]

after this i started to notice my weight loss and decided to cut out all kinds of soda and candy, i however still ate pretty much what i wanted for dinner etc and never had any fixed meals
after 6 months of this i looked something like this at roughly 95kg

[image loading]


however relapses were bound to happend after i moved from a mountain resort and to the big city and i still remember that detrimental day when i decided to buy just *one* bar of chocolate at the store
the rest is history as i slowly gained 10 kg over the following year and a half. i was suddenly back to 105kg

i started working at one of the best gourmet restaurants in oslo, living a hectic lifestyle where just craming chocolate down my throat to not pass out from the 16 hour/6 days a week shifts and HEAVY amounts
of after shift drinking (chefs lifestyle eh?) pretty much as drugs, alcohol and rock'n'roll you can get.. after finally burning out from this i started to work lunch and thats when i had a talk with a good firned
of mine that i ironically met through playin WoW several years ago talking to me about this book he had read about fitness and how hes been working out steadily through the last few years, being a small guy that he was
i was impressed with the progress he had made and thought to myself that "hey, i have enough time on my hands.. i should do this myself!"

the book he gave me was by Tom Venuto and i still thing its a great book except for some of the outdated broscience in there, it still helped me get into the mental state i had to get into to start

i went down to my local gym, signed up and started doing cardio 3 times a week and lifting 2 times a week, dropped down to 98kg.. also went on the good old 5 meals a day to stoke my metabolism(haha).. this lasted a wonderfull 1 month before
i caught a cold and that was enough for me to pussy out and telling myself i needed to eat more to recover, burned out on the running and i didnt want to go back!

meanwhile the friend i mentioned earlier had discovered the leangains site, i was curious and he linked it to me.. over the next week i sat and read every single article and link posted on the sitre, i was hooked and back for vengeance!

then i went to trondheim to visit my training buddy, had a great starting session with him again and i was fired up, weighed 105.5kg and this time i was gonna make it.. do or die!


which brings back to where i am now, after much experimenting with the amount of kcals to eat on offdays and workout days i ended up with what ive been doing for 5 months now


Starting date: 27/03/2011


here are my starting pictures the day i started working out:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


stats:


Age: 23 weight: 232.1 lbs/105.5 kg height: 182 cm


Lifts when i started:

Deadlift: 50 kg
Squats: 40 kg
Bench press: 40 kg
Flies: 6 kg dumbell (laying down)
"chinups" on the pulldown machine: 55 kg
dips: 45 kilo assisted


sooo what ive been doing is basically 1400 kcal on my low kcal days with macros roughly 15/45/40 and 1800 on my workout days doing 50/40/10 carbs/protein/fat and one day a week i had what i call my "sanity" day where i ate what i wanted aslong as i got enough protein and was under 2500kcal..

i didnt do a paleo style diet, ive been eating bread, oats and the occational processed crap on my days off but ive kept it as clean as possible (ie no BK or mcdonalds like i used to before when i was fatter)

ive been doing the compound lifts with dips, flies and chinups added to the cycle going 3x3x3 on deadlift and the rest 5(reps)x3(sets)!

finished first cut stats: 04/09/2011

Weight: 82.0kg

lifts:

Deadlift: 147.5 x3 then doing reverse pyramid 135kg x4 125kg x6
squats 102.5kg 5x3
bench press: 77.5kg 5x3
flies: 24kg 7x3
chinups: BW+ 18.75kg 5x3
dips BW+ 28.75kg 5x3


as for weight i went from 105.5kg to 82.0 kg from the end of march til 04.09.2011

and here are the update pics from today, sadly i dont have any of me flexing when i started out but tbh there was very little there to even flex LOL

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


wanna give a shoutout to martin berkhan aswell for helping the community and developing the leangains approach, also for all the work and research he puts into his articles! lengains changed my life

ive been dieting since march and im pretty sick of it now and decided to bulk til after xmas and then cut down for the final results for the summer :D!

just want to give a huge shoutout to my rocky coach/maverick sinep for getting me into training and a healthy lifestyle! thanks alot man, i wouldnt be here without you!



SQUATS AND OATS!
dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
September 04 2011 15:01 GMT
#10974
On September 04 2011 20:56 Ludrik wrote:
I just played a game of indoor soccer and got raped due to lack of conditioning.

What do people do for interval training? I'm thinking I'll keep it basic and do hill sprints. 20-30m up a steep gradient and just repeat until I get tired. I'll do this once or twice a week.

I do 8 sets of 20 sec sprint/10 sec rest. You get tired ridiculously fast even though it's just a 4 minute workout. Personally I find that running hard 2x as much as you rest gives you really great exhaustion.

If you like the hill sprints keep doing them, they're kickass. Try and get them in at least twice a week.
Sup.
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
September 04 2011 15:19 GMT
#10975
Holy shit Snapple. This is awesome.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
inimenesc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Estonia374 Posts
September 04 2011 15:23 GMT
#10976
On September 05 2011 00:19 sJarl wrote:
Holy shit Snapple. This is awesome.

second that, awesome gains in lifts and awesome weight/looks change.
our first success story for new subforum..mods!!!

Had only 2h and 45min sleep tonight....i am dead...kill me please.

GOGOGOGO onwards friends.
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you´re fucking done for." -n0tail 2014
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
September 04 2011 16:38 GMT
#10977
On September 05 2011 00:19 sJarl wrote:
Holy shit Snapple. This is awesome.


I don't know any other way to put it...

Amazing work!
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 04 2011 17:21 GMT
#10978
On September 05 2011 00:23 inimenesc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 00:19 sJarl wrote:
Holy shit Snapple. This is awesome.

second that, awesome gains in lifts and awesome weight/looks change.
our first success story for new subforum..mods!!!

Had only 2h and 45min sleep tonight....i am dead...kill me please.

GOGOGOGO onwards friends.


take a nap :-)
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
September 04 2011 17:45 GMT
#10979
On September 05 2011 00:23 inimenesc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 00:19 sJarl wrote:
Holy shit Snapple. This is awesome.

second that, awesome gains in lifts and awesome weight/looks change.
our first success story for new subforum..mods!!!

Had only 2h and 45min sleep tonight....i am dead...kill me please.

GOGOGOGO onwards friends.


Sounds like lots of my workout days Stupid military school and their disregard for sleep...

On another note, I did a workout yesterday consisting of squats and sprints (really awesome way to change things up), and then a..less conventional..partner workout at night.

My core, legs, and glutes are so sore
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20158 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-04 17:53:06
September 04 2011 17:52 GMT
#10980
sore as fuck today...not sure if its from the rugby game or the ensuing jello wrestling against two girls afterwards :D

First exhibition game of the season next week and the week after is a pretty decent sized oly lifting meet. Need to get ready!

Amazing progress snapple!
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Prev 1 547 548 549 550 551 730 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
uThermal 2v2 Circuit S2 Mar
CranKy Ducklings98
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 178
ProTech152
SpeCial 116
ROOTCatZ 34
Vindicta 30
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 6346
Artosis 677
Hyuk 498
NaDa 29
LancerX 18
SilentControl 17
ivOry 9
Dota 2
monkeys_forever544
NeuroSwarm85
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox297
Other Games
summit1g14326
tarik_tv5236
C9.Mang0563
JimRising 409
Trikslyr153
Maynarde114
ViBE110
Livibee36
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV293
Counter-Strike
PGL81
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH108
• Hupsaiya 79
• EnkiAlexander 34
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP4
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki16
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift4702
• Stunt306
Other Games
• Scarra1113
Upcoming Events
Escore
7h 48m
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
8h 48m
OSC
12h 48m
Big Brain Bouts
13h 48m
MaNa vs goblin
Scarlett vs Spirit
Serral vs herO
Korean StarCraft League
1d
CranKy Ducklings
1d 7h
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d 8h
IPSL
1d 13h
WolFix vs nOmaD
dxtr13 vs Razz
BSL
1d 16h
UltrA vs KwarK
Gosudark vs cavapoo
dxtr13 vs HBO
Doodle vs Razz
CranKy Ducklings
1d 21h
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
2 days
Ladder Legends
2 days
BSL
2 days
StRyKeR vs rasowy
Artosis vs Aether
JDConan vs OyAji
Hawk vs izu
IPSL
2 days
JDConan vs TBD
Aegong vs rasowy
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Bisu vs Ample
Jaedong vs Flash
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Barracks vs Leta
Royal vs Light
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-15
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Escore Tournament S2: W3
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.