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[OSL] Semifinal 1 Fantasy vs. Bisu - Page 53

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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
March 21 2009 16:00 GMT
#1041
Or you could realize that RoTK is 9-1 for Protoss in its lats 10 PvZs. But obviously none of the Korean zergs have thought about flanking?
Jaedong
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-21 17:52:42
March 21 2009 17:50 GMT
#1042
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/184_Return_of_the_King/games/ZvP

Last 10 PvZs:

5 of them involved the following legendary zergs: magma, thezerg, firefist, hyun.

3 of them involved Stork, and 2 of the three involved Stork beating the SAME player.

1 of them involved Bisu.

And of course, you're going to mention Stork beating Jaedong.

Jaedong was completely dominating on that game until he decided that he could play like Protoss and 1a2a3a into a choke with a ton of reavers and high templar waiting to ream everything.

Aside from the mineral only that's in your main, it is so difficult for Protoss to expand in this map. The fourth is really far from your first three viable bases, and the other bases are even further, due to the way the map is partitioned.
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-21 18:22:14
March 21 2009 18:03 GMT
#1043
Of course the zergs lost for a reason, that's the point, they LOST. Everyone loss has a reason. I could pick ToTM, and say, look, Stork shouldn't have gotten his army flanked vs Jaedong, Bisu shouldn't have FE. Obviously, they lost for a reason too. But the point is that none of the zergs abused any of the advantages you say that heavily, heavily favor Zergs.

"With two entrances leading into the natural, it is so easy for zerg to flank and harass you it's not even funny"

But the point I was trying to make is that if the previous results and players haven't shown the imbalance you're talking about, then why would results show that now?


Look at Medusa, the cliffs make sieging tanks a hell for protoss, but this is a nonfactor. Likewise, the factors you mentioned also make very little impact on the games.
Jaedong
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-22 12:53:34
March 22 2009 12:51 GMT
#1044
On March 21 2009 06:59 Mooncat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2009 05:19 kazokun wrote:
On March 21 2009 05:06 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Well..
This OSL final is pretty fucking uninteresting now -_-


On the contrary, I think this OSL just got really interesting.


Exactly. I really don't understand why people are for two names being put next to one another. If fantasy reaches the finals because he outplayed his opponent(s) he obviously deserves to be there. How does it make the finals any less interesting? Fantasy has proven to be well-rounded in every match-up. Let's just hope he can diversify his TvZ builds a little bit... :>

And to all those rabid Bisu fans blaming fantasy for kicking Bisu out of the OSL: You should rather blame Bisu for losing in the fashion he did. How can you blame a guy for wiping the floor with someone who made some terrible decisions?

Yes I know... Let the fans be fans... But seriously, try to be a liiiittle objective here and there.

You have to understand FA's extreme sexual attraction to protoss And protoss only.

Personally I'm stoked for these finals because I love TvZ and we haven't seen it on a big stage in a while.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
March 22 2009 12:59 GMT
#1045
by.hero for royal road man seriously
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Batibot
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines348 Posts
March 22 2009 13:03 GMT
#1046
When would by.hero vs Jaedong games start?
Jaedong has to be a Bonjwa. Tired of of rooting for July.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
March 22 2009 14:37 GMT
#1047
On March 22 2009 22:03 Batibot323 wrote:
When would by.hero vs Jaedong games start?

Use the calender to the right.

March 27 at 6:30 pm korean time.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
March 22 2009 14:40 GMT
#1048
On March 22 2009 21:59 alffla wrote:
by.hero for royal road man seriously


Do they also play the 3rd place game? If hero somehow beats Jaedong, we'll be able to watch Bisu vs Jaedong.

IMO would be more interesting than the final.
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
March 22 2009 14:45 GMT
#1049
They don't play the 3rd place game anymore I believe. No one cared much when they used to

Really stupid of them by the way.

If they were smart theyd play the 3rd place game and schedule it BEFORE the finals (what a freaking concept eh?) Then people might have actually watched it.

Was so rediculous that they used to have it after the finals.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
March 22 2009 14:46 GMT
#1050
On March 22 2009 02:50 Kyo Yuy wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/184_Return_of_the_King/games/ZvP

Last 10 PvZs:

5 of them involved the following legendary zergs: magma, thezerg, firefist, hyun.

3 of them involved Stork, and 2 of the three involved Stork beating the SAME player.

1 of them involved Bisu.

And of course, you're going to mention Stork beating Jaedong.

Jaedong was completely dominating on that game until he decided that he could play like Protoss and 1a2a3a into a choke with a ton of reavers and high templar waiting to ream everything.

Aside from the mineral only that's in your main, it is so difficult for Protoss to expand in this map. The fourth is really far from your first three viable bases, and the other bases are even further, due to the way the map is partitioned.

If a zerg truly was dominating a game then he COULD 1a2a3a into a choke full of reavers etc and macro up a larger army in half a minute. If that one failed attack resulted in a loss then jaedong wasn't dominating He was simply ahead.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 22 2009 15:34 GMT
#1051
On March 22 2009 23:46 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 02:50 Kyo Yuy wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/184_Return_of_the_King/games/ZvP

Last 10 PvZs:

5 of them involved the following legendary zergs: magma, thezerg, firefist, hyun.

3 of them involved Stork, and 2 of the three involved Stork beating the SAME player.

1 of them involved Bisu.

And of course, you're going to mention Stork beating Jaedong.

Jaedong was completely dominating on that game until he decided that he could play like Protoss and 1a2a3a into a choke with a ton of reavers and high templar waiting to ream everything.

Aside from the mineral only that's in your main, it is so difficult for Protoss to expand in this map. The fourth is really far from your first three viable bases, and the other bases are even further, due to the way the map is partitioned.

If a zerg truly was dominating a game then he COULD 1a2a3a into a choke full of reavers etc and macro up a larger army in half a minute. If that one failed attack resulted in a loss then jaedong wasn't dominating He was simply ahead.

Incorrect. Zerg can't perform a single ill-planned attack no matter how far ahead he is.
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-22 15:46:49
March 22 2009 15:44 GMT
#1052
On March 23 2009 00:34 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 23:46 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On March 22 2009 02:50 Kyo Yuy wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/184_Return_of_the_King/games/ZvP

Last 10 PvZs:

5 of them involved the following legendary zergs: magma, thezerg, firefist, hyun.

3 of them involved Stork, and 2 of the three involved Stork beating the SAME player.

1 of them involved Bisu.

And of course, you're going to mention Stork beating Jaedong.

Jaedong was completely dominating on that game until he decided that he could play like Protoss and 1a2a3a into a choke with a ton of reavers and high templar waiting to ream everything.

Aside from the mineral only that's in your main, it is so difficult for Protoss to expand in this map. The fourth is really far from your first three viable bases, and the other bases are even further, due to the way the map is partitioned.

If a zerg truly was dominating a game then he COULD 1a2a3a into a choke full of reavers etc and macro up a larger army in half a minute. If that one failed attack resulted in a loss then jaedong wasn't dominating He was simply ahead.

Incorrect. Zerg can't perform a single ill-planned attack no matter how far ahead he is.

Lmao OH OK.

That is some funny shit.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 22 2009 16:24 GMT
#1053
On March 23 2009 00:34 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 23:46 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On March 22 2009 02:50 Kyo Yuy wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/184_Return_of_the_King/games/ZvP

Last 10 PvZs:

5 of them involved the following legendary zergs: magma, thezerg, firefist, hyun.

3 of them involved Stork, and 2 of the three involved Stork beating the SAME player.

1 of them involved Bisu.

And of course, you're going to mention Stork beating Jaedong.

Jaedong was completely dominating on that game until he decided that he could play like Protoss and 1a2a3a into a choke with a ton of reavers and high templar waiting to ream everything.

Aside from the mineral only that's in your main, it is so difficult for Protoss to expand in this map. The fourth is really far from your first three viable bases, and the other bases are even further, due to the way the map is partitioned.

If a zerg truly was dominating a game then he COULD 1a2a3a into a choke full of reavers etc and macro up a larger army in half a minute. If that one failed attack resulted in a loss then jaedong wasn't dominating He was simply ahead.

Incorrect. Zerg can't perform a single ill-planned attack no matter how far ahead he is.


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checo
Profile Joined November 2008
Mexico1364 Posts
March 22 2009 17:29 GMT
#1054
FANTASY BABY!!! Ovoo and Boxer coaching a T with nice skills=> COMPLETE AND OBLITERATING OWNAGE!!!
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 22 2009 17:50 GMT
#1055
On March 21 2009 14:14 Calyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2009 12:54 CDRdude wrote:
On March 21 2009 12:14 Jayme wrote:
On March 21 2009 11:04 fearus wrote:
For the past 6 month Bisu has been Bonjwa, this at the very most may signal his fall.

Its the law of large numbers, he was on an absurd run through the OSL - 0 losses, statistically speaking he was due for the 3-0.

Even larry bird will miss 6 three-pointers in a row if he got last 20 in.

Statistics like that only work when the outcome is you know... random. Starcraft matches are not won on the flip of the coin so your analysis doesn't make any sense at all.

No, they don't work like that even when the outcome is random.


Yeah... its really scary that someone thinks probability works in this way. I thought most people on TeamLiquid were actually quite intelligent.

lol, how wrong you are.
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