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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10167 Posts
May 26 2013 13:44 GMT
#1001
On May 26 2013 22:43 rothsbury wrote:
Don't understand the fast muta cheese after the 6pool. After you've done that much damage you can just play normally and win. No need to take risks like that when you're so far ahead.


It's not a risk, you are delaying any expo from your opponent gaining map control and you can also auto-win if your opponent tries to catch up going full greed.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
May 26 2013 13:44 GMT
#1002
On May 26 2013 22:43 rothsbury wrote:
Don't understand the fast muta cheese after the 6pool. After you've done that much damage you can just play normally and win. No need to take risks like that when you're so far ahead.


I don't think it's such a big risk. You get 100% map control, and Luci having to make turrets in addition to the damage the mutas will do makes it sorta worth it even if terran blind counters.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
May 26 2013 13:44 GMT
#1003
On May 26 2013 22:41 Fusilero wrote:
Lucifron isn't stupid, he knew that the most likely follow up would be mutas since TLO would believe lucifron's follow up to his defence would be greed and counter harass with hellions so get those blind turrets so you won't just die there.

Correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while since I played T as main, but isn't the standard follow up roach/bane not muta in this case, especially considering the wide natural ramp?
Get off my lawn, young punks
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
May 26 2013 13:44 GMT
#1004
On May 26 2013 22:43 DJHelium wrote:
Swarm hosts inc?

Are swarmhosts good in this position? To continuously apply pressure.
Long live the King of Wings
emanresU
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany393 Posts
May 26 2013 13:44 GMT
#1005
Oooh the mines.
There is nothing more cool than being proud of the things you love. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
May 26 2013 13:44 GMT
#1006
On May 26 2013 22:43 rothsbury wrote:
Don't understand the fast muta cheese after the 6pool. After you've done that much damage you can just play normally and win. No need to take risks like that when you're so far ahead.


TLO doesn't know how many workers he killed, but I would prefer eco cheese (take 3 base like its a ZvP) to mutas.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 26 2013 13:45 GMT
#1007
On May 26 2013 22:41 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 22:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 26 2013 22:34 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 26 2013 22:32 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 26 2013 22:31 KelsierSC wrote:
WCS EU Season 1 Premier League Finals - Consolation Finals
[image loading] (Z)TLO 0 - 1 [image loading] (T)LucifroN

Game 2

Map - Whirlwind

00:00 Lucifron Spawns Bottom Right, TLO Spawns Top Left
6 POOL from TLO


01:00 so this is fucking mental
6 lings coming out

02:00 LUCIFRON WITH THE CC ON THE HIGH GROUND
4 more lings on the way from TLO




03:00 Lucifron walls off with a rax
queen out from TLO
more lings
TLO attacking the rax!!!!!! he is going to get it!!!!
TLO BREAKS THROUGH

04:00 Lucifron pulls the SCV's but TLO is in the main
TLO droning up



05:00 Lucifron finishes the rax but he has no money
good harass TLO takes a supply advantage
14 WORKERS KILLED
17 drones to 11 SCV's

06:00 TLO takes a gas
expansion from TLO
Lucifron with a gas

07:00 TLO droning like a bad man
Lair begins for TLO
Factory from Luci
2nd gas from TLO

08:00
OL moving towards the main of Luci...interesting times ahead
Spire down for TLO

09:00 4 gases taken for TLO
speed begins
3rd CC from Lucifron
Helion production ebgins
Techlab from Luci


10:00 - 2nd gas from Lucifron
stim begins
double ebay on the way
how many mutas will we have?
7 mutas on the way
3rd hatch from Luci

11:00 +1 attack for Lucifron
more mutas being made
4 gas now for Lucifron
Turrets being made!!!!!!!
will it finish!!!
THE TURRET FINISES JUST AS THE MUTAS GET THERE OMG

12:00 +1 fliers for TLO
Tlo harasses the production
double evo chamber
+1 armour for lucifron
Armoury goes down for Lucifron

13:00 comat shields begin
TLO is up 30 supply
bane nest begins
more rax being added
medivac production started

14:00 TLO goes up to 6 gases
+2 armour for Lucifron
+2 fliers for TLO
more mutas being built


15:00 - 4th base up for TLO
infestation pit begins
OL speed
+2 attack for lucifron
creep denies the third going down for a while

16:00 good micro from TLO Lucifron has to stay home
+1 range begins for TLO
hive on the way
bane speed begins

17:00 2nd factory from Lucifron
3rd lands for Lucifron
TLO picks off some mules at the 3rd no turret there
+3 armour begins for Lucifron
widow minies being produced
HUGE MINE HIT ON THAT MUTA FLOCK

18:00 pathogen glands begin
+2 armour from TLO
+1 flier armour from TLO
Huge ling bane army for TLO!!!!!

19:00 Lucifron pushing forward
TLO GOES FOR IT!!!!
HE CRASHES THROUGH
SO MANY BANES AND TLO HAS TOO MUCH
TLO HITS THE THIRD
ALL THE SCV's FALL!!!
Zerg for Life
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
May 26 2013 13:45 GMT
#1008
Yessss TLO!
Long live the King of Wings
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 13:46:35
May 26 2013 13:45 GMT
#1009
On May 26 2013 22:44 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 22:41 Fusilero wrote:
Lucifron isn't stupid, he knew that the most likely follow up would be mutas since TLO would believe lucifron's follow up to his defence would be greed and counter harass with hellions so get those blind turrets so you won't just die there.

Correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while since I played T as main, but isn't the standard follow up roach/bane not muta in this case, especially considering the wide natural ramp?

It's quite the distance for roach/bane but I suppose it's equally possible. I suppose he thought muta would be a more certain win and even if he didn't win then and there with mutas he'd be able to secure a lead with muta harass.
He didn't do the most damage so I think he didn't want to risk throwing with a roach/bane all in not working as follow up.
Glorious SEA doto
Yunarc
Profile Joined March 2011
United States314 Posts
May 26 2013 13:46 GMT
#1010
Very well played by TLO there
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
May 26 2013 13:46 GMT
#1011
Great game by TLO
Moderatorlickypiddy
Denar
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1633 Posts
May 26 2013 13:46 GMT
#1012
Poll: Recommend TLO vs LucifroN game 2 ?

Yes (40)
 
93%

No (2)
 
5%

If you have time (1)
 
2%

43 total votes

Your vote: Recommend TLO vs LucifroN game 2 ?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 26 2013 13:46 GMT
#1013
On May 26 2013 22:45 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 22:41 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 26 2013 22:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 26 2013 22:34 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 26 2013 22:32 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 26 2013 22:31 KelsierSC wrote:
WCS EU Season 1 Premier League Finals - Consolation Finals
[image loading] (Z)TLO 0 - 1 [image loading] (T)LucifroN

Game 2

Map - Whirlwind

00:00 Lucifron Spawns Bottom Right, TLO Spawns Top Left
6 POOL from TLO


01:00 so this is fucking mental
6 lings coming out

02:00 LUCIFRON WITH THE CC ON THE HIGH GROUND
4 more lings on the way from TLO




03:00 Lucifron walls off with a rax
queen out from TLO
more lings
TLO attacking the rax!!!!!! he is going to get it!!!!
TLO BREAKS THROUGH

04:00 Lucifron pulls the SCV's but TLO is in the main
TLO droning up



05:00 Lucifron finishes the rax but he has no money
good harass TLO takes a supply advantage
14 WORKERS KILLED
17 drones to 11 SCV's

06:00 TLO takes a gas
expansion from TLO
Lucifron with a gas

07:00 TLO droning like a bad man
Lair begins for TLO
Factory from Luci
2nd gas from TLO

08:00
OL moving towards the main of Luci...interesting times ahead
Spire down for TLO

09:00 4 gases taken for TLO
speed begins
3rd CC from Lucifron
Helion production ebgins
Techlab from Luci


10:00 - 2nd gas from Lucifron
stim begins
double ebay on the way
how many mutas will we have?
7 mutas on the way
3rd hatch from Luci

11:00 +1 attack for Lucifron
more mutas being made
4 gas now for Lucifron
Turrets being made!!!!!!!
will it finish!!!
THE TURRET FINISES JUST AS THE MUTAS GET THERE OMG

12:00 +1 fliers for TLO
Tlo harasses the production
double evo chamber
+1 armour for lucifron
Armoury goes down for Lucifron

13:00 comat shields begin
TLO is up 30 supply
bane nest begins
more rax being added
medivac production started

14:00 TLO goes up to 6 gases
+2 armour for Lucifron
+2 fliers for TLO
more mutas being built


15:00 - 4th base up for TLO
infestation pit begins
OL speed
+2 attack for lucifron
creep denies the third going down for a while

16:00 good micro from TLO Lucifron has to stay home
+1 range begins for TLO
hive on the way
bane speed begins

17:00 2nd factory from Lucifron
3rd lands for Lucifron
TLO picks off some mules at the 3rd no turret there
+3 armour begins for Lucifron
widow minies being produced
HUGE MINE HIT ON THAT MUTA FLOCK

18:00 pathogen glands begin
+2 armour from TLO
+1 flier armour from TLO
Huge ling bane army for TLO!!!!!

19:00 Lucifron pushing forward
TLO GOES FOR IT!!!!
HE CRASHES THROUGH
SO MANY BANES AND TLO HAS TOO MUCH
TLO HITS THE THIRD
ALL THE SCV's FALL!!!


20:00 More workers and units fall TLO ransacking Lucifron
ultras on the way
Lucifron calls GG

Lucifron 1 - 1 TLO
Zerg for Life
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
May 26 2013 13:46 GMT
#1014
And this is why I dislike the new mutalisk heal. When you mass them like that you get way to much advantage as they aren't really on a timer anymore. Luci's defense was almost perfect there, but it didn't even matter.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
May 26 2013 13:46 GMT
#1015
--- Nuked ---
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8716 Posts
May 26 2013 13:46 GMT
#1016
This was solid play.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
May 26 2013 13:46 GMT
#1017
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a series!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
ChaosArcher
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany956 Posts
May 26 2013 13:46 GMT
#1018
On May 26 2013 22:36 Blaec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 22:35 Seeker wrote:
Double orbital mules...

IDK if TLO is that far ahead


Hes behind.


Yeah, sure... haha
emanresU
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany393 Posts
May 26 2013 13:46 GMT
#1019
gggggggg
There is nothing more cool than being proud of the things you love. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33712 Posts
May 26 2013 13:46 GMT
#1020
stronk
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
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