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On May 26 2013 22:43 rothsbury wrote:
Don't understand the fast muta cheese after the 6pool. After you've done that much damage you can just play normally and win. No need to take risks like that when you're so far ahead.
It's not a risk, you are delaying any expo from your opponent gaining map control and you can also auto-win if your opponent tries to catch up going full greed.
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On May 26 2013 22:43 rothsbury wrote:
Don't understand the fast muta cheese after the 6pool. After you've done that much damage you can just play normally and win. No need to take risks like that when you're so far ahead.
I don't think it's such a big risk. You get 100% map control, and Luci having to make turrets in addition to the damage the mutas will do makes it sorta worth it even if terran blind counters.
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On May 26 2013 22:41 Fusilero wrote:
Lucifron isn't stupid, he knew that the most likely follow up would be mutas since TLO would believe lucifron's follow up to his defence would be greed and counter harass with hellions so get those blind turrets so you won't just die there.
Correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while since I played T as main, but isn't the standard follow up roach/bane not muta in this case, especially considering the wide natural ramp?
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On May 26 2013 22:43 DJHelium wrote:
Swarm hosts inc?
Are swarmhosts good in this position? To continuously apply pressure.
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On May 26 2013 22:43 rothsbury wrote:
Don't understand the fast muta cheese after the 6pool. After you've done that much damage you can just play normally and win. No need to take risks like that when you're so far ahead.
TLO doesn't know how many workers he killed, but I would prefer eco cheese (take 3 base like its a ZvP) to mutas.
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
On May 26 2013 22:41 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2013 22:37 KelsierSC wrote:On May 26 2013 22:34 KelsierSC wrote:On May 26 2013 22:32 KelsierSC wrote:On May 26 2013 22:31 KelsierSC wrote:WCS EU Season 1 Premier League Finals - Consolation Finals![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/8/8f/De.png)  TLO 0 - 1 ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/4/4e/Es.png)  LucifroNGame 2Map - Whirlwind 00:00 Lucifron Spawns Bottom Right, TLO Spawns Top Left 6 POOL from TLO 01:00 so this is fucking mental 6 lings coming out 02:00 LUCIFRON WITH THE CC ON THE HIGH GROUND 4 more lings on the way from TLO 03:00 Lucifron walls off with a rax queen out from TLO more lings TLO attacking the rax!!!!!! he is going to get it!!!! TLO BREAKS THROUGH 04:00 Lucifron pulls the SCV's but TLO is in the main TLO droning up 05:00 Lucifron finishes the rax but he has no money good harass TLO takes a supply advantage 14 WORKERS KILLED 17 drones to 11 SCV's 06:00 TLO takes a gas expansion from TLO Lucifron with a gas 07:00 TLO droning like a bad man Lair begins for TLO Factory from Luci 2nd gas from TLO 08:00OL moving towards the main of Luci...interesting times ahead Spire down for TLO 09:00 4 gases taken for TLO speed begins 3rd CC from Lucifron Helion production ebgins Techlab from Luci 10:00 - 2nd gas from Lucifron stim begins double ebay on the way how many mutas will we have? 7 mutas on the way 3rd hatch from Luci 11:00 +1 attack for Lucifron more mutas being made 4 gas now for Lucifron Turrets being made!!!!!!! will it finish!!! THE TURRET FINISES JUST AS THE MUTAS GET THERE OMG 12:00 +1 fliers for TLO Tlo harasses the production double evo chamber +1 armour for lucifron Armoury goes down for Lucifron 13:00 comat shields begin TLO is up 30 supply bane nest begins more rax being added medivac production started 14:00 TLO goes up to 6 gases +2 armour for Lucifron +2 fliers for TLO more mutas being built
15:00 - 4th base up for TLO
infestation pit begins
OL speed
+2 attack for lucifron
creep denies the third going down for a while
16:00 good micro from TLO Lucifron has to stay home
+1 range begins for TLO
hive on the way
bane speed begins
17:00 2nd factory from Lucifron
3rd lands for Lucifron
TLO picks off some mules at the 3rd no turret there
+3 armour begins for Lucifron
widow minies being produced
HUGE MINE HIT ON THAT MUTA FLOCK
18:00 pathogen glands begin
+2 armour from TLO
+1 flier armour from TLO
Huge ling bane army for TLO!!!!!
19:00 Lucifron pushing forward
TLO GOES FOR IT!!!!
HE CRASHES THROUGH
SO MANY BANES AND TLO HAS TOO MUCH
TLO HITS THE THIRD
ALL THE SCV's FALL!!!
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On May 26 2013 22:44 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2013 22:41 Fusilero wrote:
Lucifron isn't stupid, he knew that the most likely follow up would be mutas since TLO would believe lucifron's follow up to his defence would be greed and counter harass with hellions so get those blind turrets so you won't just die there. Correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while since I played T as main, but isn't the standard follow up roach/bane not muta in this case, especially considering the wide natural ramp?
It's quite the distance for roach/bane but I suppose it's equally possible. I suppose he thought muta would be a more certain win and even if he didn't win then and there with mutas he'd be able to secure a lead with muta harass.
He didn't do the most damage so I think he didn't want to risk throwing with a roach/bane all in not working as follow up.
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Very well played by TLO there
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Poll: Recommend TLO vs LucifroN game 2 ?Yes (40) 93% No (2) 5% If you have time (1) 2% 43 total votes Your vote: Recommend TLO vs LucifroN game 2 ? (Vote): Yes
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On May 26 2013 22:45 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2013 22:41 KelsierSC wrote:On May 26 2013 22:37 KelsierSC wrote:On May 26 2013 22:34 KelsierSC wrote:On May 26 2013 22:32 KelsierSC wrote:On May 26 2013 22:31 KelsierSC wrote:WCS EU Season 1 Premier League Finals - Consolation Finals TLO 0 - 1 LucifroNGame 2Map - Whirlwind 00:00 Lucifron Spawns Bottom Right, TLO Spawns Top Left 6 POOL from TLO 01:00 so this is fucking mental 6 lings coming out 02:00 LUCIFRON WITH THE CC ON THE HIGH GROUND 4 more lings on the way from TLO 03:00 Lucifron walls off with a rax queen out from TLO more lings TLO attacking the rax!!!!!! he is going to get it!!!! TLO BREAKS THROUGH 04:00 Lucifron pulls the SCV's but TLO is in the main TLO droning up 05:00 Lucifron finishes the rax but he has no money good harass TLO takes a supply advantage 14 WORKERS KILLED 17 drones to 11 SCV's 06:00 TLO takes a gas expansion from TLO Lucifron with a gas 07:00 TLO droning like a bad man Lair begins for TLO Factory from Luci 2nd gas from TLO 08:00OL moving towards the main of Luci...interesting times ahead Spire down for TLO 09:00 4 gases taken for TLO speed begins 3rd CC from Lucifron Helion production ebgins Techlab from Luci 10:00 - 2nd gas from Lucifron stim begins double ebay on the way how many mutas will we have? 7 mutas on the way 3rd hatch from Luci 11:00 +1 attack for Lucifron more mutas being made 4 gas now for Lucifron Turrets being made!!!!!!! will it finish!!! THE TURRET FINISES JUST AS THE MUTAS GET THERE OMG 12:00 +1 fliers for TLO Tlo harasses the production double evo chamber +1 armour for lucifron Armoury goes down for Lucifron 13:00 comat shields begin TLO is up 30 supply bane nest begins more rax being added medivac production started 14:00 TLO goes up to 6 gases +2 armour for Lucifron +2 fliers for TLO more mutas being built 15:00 - 4th base up for TLO infestation pit begins OL speed +2 attack for lucifron creep denies the third going down for a while 16:00 good micro from TLO Lucifron has to stay home +1 range begins for TLO hive on the way bane speed begins 17:00 2nd factory from Lucifron 3rd lands for Lucifron TLO picks off some mules at the 3rd no turret there +3 armour begins for Lucifron widow minies being produced HUGE MINE HIT ON THAT MUTA FLOCK 18:00 pathogen glands begin +2 armour from TLO +1 flier armour from TLO Huge ling bane army for TLO!!!!! 19:00 Lucifron pushing forward TLO GOES FOR IT!!!! HE CRASHES THROUGH SO MANY BANES AND TLO HAS TOO MUCH TLO HITS THE THIRD ALL THE SCV's FALL!!!
20:00 More workers and units fall TLO ransacking Lucifron
ultras on the way
Lucifron calls GG
Lucifron 1 - 1 TLO
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And this is why I dislike the new mutalisk heal. When you mass them like that you get way to much advantage as they aren't really on a timer anymore. Luci's defense was almost perfect there, but it didn't even matter.
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Ladies and gentlemen, we have a series!
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On May 26 2013 22:36 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2013 22:35 Seeker wrote:Double orbital mules... IDK if TLO is that far ahead  Hes behind.
Yeah, sure... haha
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EPT
