On February 09 2014 15:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah suki pretty scummy for wanting to lynch LM but voting for jay the claimrd doc. Coag post seal pls
Seems to me your just messing around from last game. But at this point in the game we should be starting to get serious and you have not posted enough that we know your alignment yet.
Oats lets talk what do you think about Suki and Coag and Hopeless1der
Alright fuck it, Suki is probably mafia trying to climb in my window: reading music:
Based on my vote analysis earlier, I stated that I think at least 1 mafia is in the Jonnylaw vote because
- I doubt the 2 other mafia would both stay off the vote, when it was looking fucking dire all day for jonny. - (new point) Suki/Jay cannot be mafia together. There's no way they do that stupid OMGUS crap and suki pushes jay that hard when they are already losing 1 of their teammates.
It is possible that neither of them are mafia and that both mafia are in the vote. I think we can come to this conclusion later. For now, out of the 2: I think it is Suki.
Before we go any further I'd like for you guys to reference these recent games if you'd like to look at her meta:
In her mafia game. She went HAM on her teammates, bussed them all game. Never followed through and lynched them (she didn't need to). My first thought here is: in this game, she would have followed through on Jonnylaw since it was so dire for him. But no, I've never seen a situation for her where her teammate actually gets lynched, so this is new territory when it comes to meta. I think she's smart enough to know that she would probably get more town cred by NOT pushing jonny, just lightly bussing him and pushing someone else hard.
There's a few general things that are shooting off red flags in her play for me:
- Her care level and activity level have SKYROCKETED since her last 2 games. It's huge. 9 page filter on day 1? That's insane compared to her what 4.5 page per day filter in the other games. As mafia she was fitting the activity level of the game, when Jonny and I were alive in Newbie LI, she was active as hell, as soon as we started dropping off, so did her activity level, since the game started falling off when we died. This game I feel is VERY VERY active, which results in her large filter. Check the previous game to see what i'm saying, it's tiny compared to mine, here she's eclipsing me.
- She is SO MUCH MORE CONFIDENT in her reads and reasoning when she is mafia. She will push and push and push till she gets what she wants. In her town games, she flip flops a lot and swaps votes tons. She reacts to people's defenses and gets swayed. There's none of that here. Here's something interesting that I found: + Show Spoiler [Bleeding] +
On January 07 2014 15:10 Balla24 wrote: I can't believe how some of you guys are so confident about how dragoon will flip scum. Suki, Jonny specifically..
I think I was pretty clear in my posts as to why I think Dragoon is scum.
I feel that his defense of Asuna is a major scum slip and the more he tries to justify it the more I believe it.
Dragoon has also not played a pro-town game at all. His only scum reads have been on those who are attacking him, and he hasn't even taken the time to properly form a case. Like, I still don't know why he thinks I'm scummy
suki: "Okay then, lets get back to scumhunting :D". A bit too eager to go scumhunting there, don't ya think? Not really a good reason to call him mafia.
I think that's the only reason he's given as to why I'm scum. Here is his defense post on me:
theDragoon's knee jerk reaction to vote OWB because of an incorrect timeline. - Attacking his attacker for a slight inconsistency.
I reacted to that inconsistency because he was trying to frame his argument based on the fact that I "changed my mind" about Day_Walker. He said something along the lines of me saying I changed my mind THEN... Day_Walker mentioned something. The only reason why I even mentioned Day_Walker at all is because Balla24 asked me what I thought, then people started putting words in my mouth saying I trusted him.
His flip-flopping on Derrida, first saying his suspicion is 'low' and then on his very next post saying Derrida is higher up.
New information pops up, you reread things you change your opinions. How's that scummy at all?
Suki to me sounds like a scum trying to take advantage of this situation, to get a townie a guaranteed lynch.
there's no way he's not mafia here.
Everyone watch out for Suki, her true nature as a scum will be revealed when I get flipped.
Where is the analysis? He's just blindly attacking me because hey, I straight up said he's the scummiest person in the game. Same with the other people he's called out.
I'd be very surprised if he bleeds green because his play has not been pro-town at all.
On February 08 2014 13:03 suki wrote: Hmm..
If you are town Jay I deeply apologize. However I think the only thing that will convince me of that is seeing you bleed green.
All my points against you aside, when I ask you for a scum read I expect a scum read. Not some flaky excuse that you don't want to do it.
I don't see any analysis going on here. Just excuses and OMGUS.
This type of confidence and use of the "i want to see your blood" phrase is COMPLETELY absent from her town games.
- She's not being convinced by anything really. Everything she does is based on her reasoning and her logic. This is in complete contrast to her 2 recent town games, where almost every time she attacked somebody, she read their defense (even weak defenses) and would say "ok, that's nice" and switch targets (often time to the target of her target). I honestly would have expected that to happen with Jay here. It didn't.
On January 21 2014 09:52 suki wrote: You know what, I agree with you Barristan.
I think Zarepath's case on VE is just a list of points that tries to squeeze out any sort of scumminess. It's weak, but he sounds like he's trying so hard to make it work. His follow up posts are all trying to keep up the pressure on VE.
Compared to the filter linked by Barristan, Zarepath's tone has changed completely. In his previous game filter he had no problem listing off a bunch of people who he thought were scummy, and doing a bunch of analysis. In this game he's only talked about VE and no one else, and VE is not the only suspicious person in this game.
##unvote ##vote Zarepath
I'm going to lay off VE for a bit. Pressuring him is going nowhere and I think he's defended well.
On January 21 2014 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nobody is lynching you VE.
Could you care to explain why VE is town despite him obsessing with everyone's opinions of him and blatant sheeping?
I made a whole case about him which everyone has completely ignored in the middle of your penis-measuring contest with Artanis.
Re-reading again, this post reads townie to me. Particularly the part where he points out that his case was ignored, I think for scum it doesn't matter if people listen to their arguments as long as a townie is getting lynched, so pointing out his post reads more town.
Tunneling can be done by town, stretching cases too far is also possible for a really tryhard town.
Zarepath's switch to bum doesn't make sense if both of them are scum. And I agree that bum looks scummy.
On January 22 2014 05:52 bumatlarge wrote: I was giving zarepath a free place to put his vote as long as I was intent on lynching VE. His reaction to my unvote has alot of motivation behind it.
At the time, Crossfire was gaining some traction, for an iffy post. Zare could have hopped on him, which I think is worth noting if one of them flips scum. Kush seems somewhat similar, but that was older votes.
I found his vote on me a bit backwards, considering that it was just for not pushing VE some more. I think it would it would be a poor choice for him to make as mafia. But I don't think he seems like he has a lot of experience as mafia.
The second scenario where I am scum and he is town is much more unlikely, because he has been on par with my thoughts the whole game, and he changes his mind to me when I stop pursuing both of our top scum reads. That is much more illogical coming from a townie, rather then what I think would be bad reasoning for him to do that as mafia.
I actually really really like everything here. Many of these things I didn't consider previously.
One other thing I was eyeing was Crossfire's soft defense of Zarepath earlier in the game. Couple this with Zarepath including Crossfire into his list just now (alongside a really stupid desire to lynch WileE)... I think there's a good chance of them being scumbuddies.
##unvote ##vote Zarepath
On January 22 2014 06:56 suki wrote: ##unvote
Zarepath obviously did not have a fakeclaim, his reaction was genuine.
On February 05 2014 02:24 suki wrote: So right now Oats is super scummy to me.
His "case" against Koshi is bad, and yet he continues to push it. He's also not consistent with his views:
On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy.
Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone.
Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup.
On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far.
Can you explain a bit more?
1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it?
On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
This is almost a scum claim right here. Oats is doing the exact thing that he says scum would do, and yet he's calling other people out for it.
On February 05 2014 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah Im not telling you my conclusions because I want to hear what you think without my conclusions coloring your analysis. I really null on cake, what he posts when he comes back is really important and will probably decided my read. Hopeless is a useless piece of shit that we should lynch.
(... On a side note, I don't approve of the personal attack calling Hopeless a 'useless piece of shit'.)
Anyways. He suddenly thinks Hopeless is super scummy, without any reasoning. This is after LoneMeow has stated suspicions on Hopeless so it feels like a bandwagon. Hopeless was one of the people who didn't shit on Koshi's policy, and said that the policy makes him feel motivated. So this big scum tell that Oats has been pushing the entire game doesn't apply to his choice of lynches?
He reads cake as null and yet it's cake and hopeless who he wants to discuss. Why not me, who you said was scummy for 'jumping on Koshi's policy' or those 'other dudes' that you so specifically called out?
Why is LoneMeow town even though he was the most vocal about probably not meeting Koshi's 40 post policy?
Hm. Also this exchange just leaves a bad taste in my mouth:
On February 05 2014 01:53 Balla24 wrote: Before I answer that can you answer me this:
Am I leaning town or scum? Same for LM.
I thought you disapproved of the asking questions before giving your own answers?
In summary, Oats is calling people scummy for something that he himself is actively doing. His reads on people seem random, rather than thought out. There's no logical progression on why he thinks Hopeless is super scummy and worth lynching (it feels like bandwagoning to try to push an easy lurker lynch). There's no explanation on why LoneMeow is town to him despite the dissonance with his 'Koshi policy' case.
When asked to explain himself he's extremely reluctant. He tries to deflect attention from himself. This all reads as scum to me.
##vote Oatsmaster
On February 05 2014 14:54 suki wrote: I think Oatsmaster's defense addresses my case sufficiently, and I like the direction he's taken after defending himself. That is, his tunnel on Hopeless.
I've noted that previously as town he correctly called out hopeless for being scum in TL Mafia XLIII: Time to Die, basically for lurking and not contributing. He is doing the same here in his pressure on Hopeless.
I'm still waiting on Hopeless to contribute something to the thread. Most of his posts are defense posts and fluff, he keeps promising content but hasn't delivered.
##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der
At this point I also would be happy to lynch LoneMeow. He's done absolutely nothing this game. I think sidesprang's contributed more to this game in his one big post than LoneMeow has in his entire filter.
On February 06 2014 01:31 suki wrote: ##unvote ##vote cakemanofdoom
Hopeless is making sense.
cake has been wishy washy all game. He bandwagons onto Hopeless, even though he thinks Koshi is mafia. He's ok with voting LoneMeow because LM is lurking.
Like, he's taking the easy path. I read through his filter and I learn absolutely nothing. Like, it seems like he's contributing but when you really look closely he's not really saying anything that progresses towards a lynch. Even his case against Koshi feels non-enthusiastic.
Dragoon and Chyz read more as if they're trying but misguided.
That's enough of a reason to lynch Asuna? I don't see that as good enough to suspect Asuna of being mafia, unless you know more than what you've said there. Those 3 things you listed there is just a sign of an inexperienced player, it has nothing to do with being a scum.
I said that because his reasoning to lynch Asuna was basically due to Asuna's inexperience, which I think is not a good enough reason to be lynched when there are a lot more suspicious people out there. I don't know if Jonny knows more about Asuna, I only thought that because I was not buying his reason to lynch Asuna.
The more I read these posts the more I dislike them. He's basically stating that he knows Asuna's "excuses, bandwagoning and self doubt" are due to her inexperience, and he's not leaving any room to interpret them as scummy. How would a town Dragoon be so sure? I'm more and more confident that the 'knows more about Asuna' line really is a scum slip.
Other things that scream scum to me: theDragoon's knee jerk reaction to vote OWB because of an incorrect timeline. - Attacking his attacker for a slight inconsistency. His statement that Balla is rising up on his suspicions list with Balla's 'immediate' jump to lynch him. - More of the same His flip-flopping on Derrida, first saying his suspicion is 'low' and then on his very next post saying Derrida is higher up. - Scummy enough, and he even admits that he's flip-flopping
His top scum reads are Day_Walker because he doesn't like that Day_Walker has a town read on him (???), and me, because he thinks I'm too eager to scumhunt (also ???). And aside from his knee-jerk suspicions thrown at OWB, Balla and now Derrida he hasn't contributed any other reads.
I'm not good enough at this game to get scum reads from forum posts. If you REALLY want me to give my top 2 most suspicious people are:
Day_Walker: If I don't buy his town read on me, why should I believe his other reads. I've got the most votes on me right now and I want to see if Day_Walker still thinks I'm a townie.
suki: "Okay then, lets get back to scumhunting :D". A bit too eager to go scumhunting there, don't ya think? Not really a good reason to call him mafia.
And finally under all this pressure then he says his play is due to him being new to the game and self-destructs.
I feel a lot of frustration in Dragoon's most recent posts, and I kind of feel bad for him since he is new to Mafia and this is a really gut-wrenching game, but I really do think his inexperience is his downfall and that there's no way he's not mafia here.
##vote theDragoon
More analysis on its way. If there's anything you want me to answer post it; I'll be here for a bit.
On January 07 2014 15:33 suki wrote: Mmm.. I'm not biting.
From that, your reason to lynch Asuna was basically due to his inexperience. Not a good enough reason to warrant being lynched. It was also something I can relate with as I myself am prone to making excuses, bandwagoning and having self doubt, if I don't want to be lynched because I have those traits, I certainly don't want others to be as well.
This isn't good townie logic. Excuses, bandwagoning and self-doubt may be signs of newbie town, but they are also signs of mafia. You can't excuse someone for displaying mafia traits just because you display them. Again, it feels like you know that Asuna is a newbie town and that's what's suspicious here.
I'll have to warn the town about Suki, BigDad, Derrida and possibly Day_Walker (my so called scumbuddy).
The pro-town thing to do in your spot is to post the best analysis you can on the scummiest people you can find. This just feels like a last-ditch attempt to try to throw suspicion on everyone who voted you under the pretense of a "defense post" and see if someone bites.
On January 07 2014 15:10 Balla24 wrote: I can't believe how some of you guys are so confident about how dragoon will flip scum. Suki, Jonny specifically..
I think I was pretty clear in my posts as to why I think Dragoon is scum.
I feel that his defense of Asuna is a major scum slip and the more he tries to justify it the more I believe it.
Dragoon has also not played a pro-town game at all. His only scum reads have been on those who are attacking him, and he hasn't even taken the time to properly form a case. Like, I still don't know why he thinks I'm scummy
suki: "Okay then, lets get back to scumhunting :D". A bit too eager to go scumhunting there, don't ya think? Not really a good reason to call him mafia.
I think that's the only reason he's given as to why I'm scum. Here is his defense post on me:
theDragoon's knee jerk reaction to vote OWB because of an incorrect timeline. - Attacking his attacker for a slight inconsistency.
I reacted to that inconsistency because he was trying to frame his argument based on the fact that I "changed my mind" about Day_Walker. He said something along the lines of me saying I changed my mind THEN... Day_Walker mentioned something. The only reason why I even mentioned Day_Walker at all is because Balla24 asked me what I thought, then people started putting words in my mouth saying I trusted him.
His flip-flopping on Derrida, first saying his suspicion is 'low' and then on his very next post saying Derrida is higher up.
New information pops up, you reread things you change your opinions. How's that scummy at all?
Suki to me sounds like a scum trying to take advantage of this situation, to get a townie a guaranteed lynch.
there's no way he's not mafia here.
Everyone watch out for Suki, her true nature as a scum will be revealed when I get flipped.
Where is the analysis? He's just blindly attacking me because hey, I straight up said he's the scummiest person in the game. Same with the other people he's called out.
I'd be very surprised if he bleeds green because his play has not been pro-town at all.
On January 08 2014 01:06 suki wrote: Directed to Balla:
This is the most one sided lynch ever. I'm sorry but this should seriously be making you weary (suki/jonnylaw). The people who are not voting seem to also be tentatively saying that they are ok with the lynch if it were to happen now, besides Day_walker who probably is thinking along the same lines of this tbh.
I'm searching for a new target. I really don't like how hard you lurked today sidesprang, so I'd lynch you just based on that, but other than that, I find Derrida pretty scummy.
Ugh it's just so hard because I totally can see how scum would buss their teammate in this current situation. It's different than other one-sided lynches in the previous games because of how dragoon shut-down. Like I would totally buss him..
If I were scum, I would probably begin to buss him after he self-voted, so i'd look @ Derrida, suki and sidesprang (if im jsut looking at it chronologically, jonnylaw too)
I mean, let's be honest, there is 100% for sure scum in the people who already voted him. Having them have a forced hand on what they think about him might be a good thing. It's gonna be a weight on EVERYONE's back, not just towns.
I agree that the lynch on theDragoon is going smoothly, however that could just be mafia seeing the writing on the wall and deciding not to oppose. I agree that the smoothness of the lynch needs to be considered, however in the end we should still be lynching the scummiest person. Do you disagree?
Also, you were the second person to vote for theDragoon, and your vote hasn't changed since then. I just want to clarify, do you still find theDragoon to be the most scummy?
On January 13 2014 23:43 suki wrote: Alright I'm here.
I had a reread through TheChyz's filter and I think he's been slipping hard since Day 2 ended.
Here is TheChyz's conversation with Balla during Night 2, bolded parts for emphasis: + Show Spoiler +
On January 12 2014 03:52 TheChyz wrote: Anyways I still want to reread some peoples filters to make sure I didn't confuse things between people and I'll have my explanation before night ends, but can you post yours aswell Balla : "Day 3 is going to be fun if what i'm thinking is happening. Will post about it later."
On January 12 2014 03:57 Balla24 wrote: Also: there's 3 hours left, if I were going to post it I would have plenty of time to post it. I lost faith in the theory anyways.
On January 12 2014 04:03 TheChyz wrote: And Balla, thats a bullshit reason not to make your post. You said "Day 3 is going to be fun if what i'm thinking is happening. Will post about it later" and since you keep pestering others to explain their thoughts, I expect you to do the same.
On January 12 2014 04:03 TheChyz wrote: And Balla, thats a bullshit reason not to make your post. You said "Day 3 is going to be fun if what i'm thinking is happening. Will post about it later" and since you keep pestering others to explain their thoughts, I expect you to do the same.
NO fuck that that's so scummy. It's pretty obvious what I had to say was due to night actions. You're pretty silly if you can't see that. So why would I post it 3 HOURS before the night is over and let mafia plan around that.
MOST IMPORTANTLY THOUGH: Why are you pushing me so hard for it? I'm clearly active. This is SO fricking scummy from you Chyz. Do you need it to make a decision on what to do with your scum buddy?
On January 12 2014 04:22 TheChyz wrote: @Balla What is so scummy about it, your doing the exact same thing from everybody else and forcing them to explain things, what makes you such a special case that whenever you say something we should just let you pass cause your active? Jonny (i think) said that you are active both scum and town so I find no reason why you felt that posting that you will post your thoughts later and then now not wanting to is scummy from me. Seems like your being very defensive. And you don't have to post now, just before night ends (even if its 1 sec before)
On January 11 2014 07:06 TheChyz wrote: Gotta go for a few hours, will be back afterwards. This vote kinda sucks but I think there is quite a wealth of information that can be garnered from it.
What info can be garnered from it? Want your analysis before night ends!
Chyz you skipped this too.
On January 12 2014 05:00 TheChyz wrote: I didn't skip it, it will be done before the night ends. still got time.
First off, I feel that TheChyz's pressure on Balla is really off. He pressures Balla for not providing his reads, and Balla replies there's still three hours before the night is over. TheChyz calls bullshit on Balla's reasoning. Following that, Balla asks TheChyz for analysis, and TheChyz simply replies there's still time. This inconsistency stands out to me, and I think there's a very good reason for it if you assume TheChyz is mafia - He wants to know what Balla's reads are before he posts his own analysis.
There is no reason to assume Balla is not 1-shot vig as he claimed, and yet TheChyz seems to be getting ready to throw suspicion at Balla. Perhaps if Balla had his reads completely wrong and had posted them early enough, scum may have kept Balla alive. TheChyz posts his analysis at 2:58, 2 minutes before the deadline. Balla posts his at 2:59. The day post is posted at 3:02.
Asuna has also made a strong case against TheChyz, the most striking of which is:
Would be pretty funny if that inconsistent choice of tense in your most recent statement was actually a slipup lol. "when I am scum the easiest thing for me to do was to lurk"
Looking at his 'setup analysis' where he wrongly concludes that there is a SK, it may just have been a ploy to root out the remaining blue role, which he was successful at doing now that Asuna has role claimed.
TheChyz tries to reason his way out by saying it was intentional or that it was due to his english, however I think there's enough evidence to strongly say that he screwed up in Night 2 and Day 3 and revealed himself through his actions and words.
##unvote ##vote TheChyz
On January 14 2014 06:09 suki wrote: Just popping in to say that if theChyz flips scum in an hour, and I'm pretty sure he will, then BigDad is definitely his scumbuddy. TheChyz has been defending BigDad all game while not being under any pressure himself due to his Day 1 antics. It makes sense for a scum who is treated like a townie to back up his buddy who is under suspicion.
At the beginning of the game BigDad stated a soft defense of TheChyz ("I'm leaning toward Balla and TheChyz being townie"), when TheChyz was under pressure for his antics, but ever since that post BigDad has put mild pressure against TheChyz until his full on bus today. The fact that BigDad has never closely analyzed TheChyz I think makes sense if both of them are scum.
I think we've solved the game guys :D I'm getting jitters anticipating the flip.
Unfortunately I have a dinner with my family so I'll miss the deadline but I'll pop back on as soon as I can.
We're not seeing any of that flipfloppiness really this game.
- She tends to do this thing where whenever she gives an opinion on someone, she bolds their name up front first and then writes about them as mafia. I don't see that in her town games at all and she started doing it here but stopped. Pretty weak point, but meh whatever.
- She's been buddying up to me hella hard. It's been making me nervous all game and it hasn't stopped now. Like I really enjoyed the fun we were having but...it just scares me.
Those are the general trends i'm noticing that are conflicting with this game. Beyond that, everything is pretty townie, her reasoning and followups are very solid. There are no serious contradictions or flaws in her logic or misrepresentations of what people are saying. Amazingly enough, I've come to expect this from a scum suki. She's really good.
TL;DR: Scum suki is scary. Fuck im scared. Somebody hold me. Post more guards or some shit cause they raping everybody out here.
On February 09 2014 14:17 Balla24 wrote: WIFOM at best. Not thinking about it.
I've been wrestling with suki's alignment for the past like 4 hours. I think this is where the term "Svengali" applies or whatever Slam loves to use. She's way too good at manipulating me. She's way too good at scum. There's so much in her filter that is sooooooooo townie, but there's so much that's making me think back to the scum game she had and saying... wow... that's really similar.
I've probably written and erased like 3 of my long posts about her now... maybe I should just post both the town version and the scum version.
Ask yourself why would a townie would be using WIFOM?
My own tl;dr of Balla's post: scum suki is too confident, not enough paranoia not enough second guessing. I need to sleep I'll take a look through this games' suki filter and give my thoughts on it when I wake up.
In the meantime, you can rest assured that Lord Koshi of Koshington will be there to protect you King Balla ^ Lord Koshi of Koshington
Offtopic: I'd just like to state that even if I'm wrong on everything from here on out, this has already been the funnest game of mafia i've ever played. You guys are great. There's really no bad blood compared to normal games or anything like that we're just a bunch of carebears having fun calling each other mafia. Good times, good times.
On February 09 2014 15:33 Balla24 wrote: Offtopic: I'd just like to state that even if I'm wrong on everything from here on out, this has already been the funnest game of mafia i've ever played. You guys are great. There's really no bad blood compared to normal games or anything like that we're just a bunch of carebears having fun calling each other mafia. Good times, good times.
On February 09 2014 15:33 Balla24 wrote: Offtopic: I'd just like to state that even if I'm wrong on everything from here on out, this has already been the funnest game of mafia i've ever played. You guys are great. There's really no bad blood compared to normal games or anything like that we're just a bunch of carebears having fun calling each other mafia. Good times, good times.
On February 09 2014 15:33 Balla24 wrote: Offtopic: I'd just like to state that even if I'm wrong on everything from here on out, this has already been the funnest game of mafia i've ever played. You guys are great. There's really no bad blood compared to normal games or anything like that we're just a bunch of carebears having fun calling each other mafia. Good times, good times.
On February 09 2014 15:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah suki pretty scummy for wanting to lynch LM but voting for jay the claimrd doc. Coag post seal pls
Seems to me your just messing around from last game. But at this point in the game we should be starting to get serious and you have not posted enough that we know your alignment yet.
Oats lets talk what do you think about Suki and Coag and Hopeless1der
I totally didnt bus Johnny right guis?
I think hopeless is town, coag is town if he actually posted more than once.
Balla24's case on suki has good points. I'm on the fence with jaybrundage/suki.
Still think I'd prefer to lynch Alakaslam/Coagulation first though. My earlier points against Alakaslam still stand (and he definitely looks the worse after JonnyLaw flipped red for not discussing him at all). Coagulation has done nothing since coming to the thread to prove himself town.
There was definitely enough time to read JonnyLaw's filter and give some kind of read whether he agreed with the lynch or not, but he was content to just leave his "placeholder vote" there and lurk. That's not that I'd expect from a town player.
On February 09 2014 11:46 Coagulation wrote: oats / lonemeow / aqua / sprang somewhere in there oats or lonemeow are most likely imo but thats not based on much
Since it's "not based on much", it's based on something? How about explaining that to us for starters?
On February 09 2014 15:12 Balla24 wrote: In her mafia game. She went HAM on her teammates, bussed them all game. Never followed through and lynched them (she didn't need to). My first thought here is: in this game, she would have followed through on Jonnylaw since it was so dire for him. But no, I've never seen a situation for her where her teammate actually gets lynched, so this is new territory when it comes to meta.
And then there was Sidesprang. How did I forget about that guy.
On February 08 2014 00:58 sidesprang wrote: I don't mind hopeless so far this game. He made good points against JayB, tho I dont agree that they have to make him scum, might just be bad. And I like that he got Balla to quit playing around with the confirmed town shit. Only problem is that all his posts have been easy posts to make even for a scum. So he is pretty much null for me atm.
This is probably the scummiest post in the game. Red bells everywhere stuff. I think I already said this once.
Ok so I said I was gonna look into oats meta. Tbh when looking at it, it seems like he is town when playing bad. Like the aggression and "Wagon of justice" shit is stuff he does as town.
He also have tendencies to just swap and go to other players, and not really saying why. And he does it in a way that looks pretty dumb. Like screaming "VOTE THIS GUY" etc.
In his mafia game he seems more serious to a certain degree. Kinda typing like he did with his vote on me. Giving small explanations, not really a big case but just one thing he did not like and therefor the guy is scum. He dont have a problem with voteswapping a lot either, as he does in this game.
Overall tho I do feel his starting posts in this game very much resembles the first towngame I read and linked, So I think I'm leaning null or towards town. Atleast based on meta atm.
I'll give JayB a pass for now, since he claimed blue. And I definetly don't see any scumreason for doing it atm, and he also did the same shit last game as town (seriously why the fuck are you claiming ?). If we get some information that suggest he is lying we can deal with it then.
LM: While reading his filter I just dont see anything that stand out in a scummy way, not neccesarily town either. But not worth looking at this late in the cycle.
Alakaslam: I buy that he has been busy with work and whatnot. As I don't think scum!slam would lurk in any way I dont see a reason for lying about it. That being said I dont think his enterance is very good. Starts by complaining about how Balla / Suki trolled early game, which has been pointed out is something he is very capable aswell. And it was obviously something that was prewritten before Balla got the roles. Why bring that shit up again, its a null tell. His points are just fluff. He then says he is going to try some filters, but looks like he only read JayB, maybe the easiest one to pick on at the time.
@Slam Did you read up on the rest of the players? Do you got any other reads? What are your thoughts on Jonny?
Hopeless: Overall I dont find much scummy or town in his filter. But I agree I don't like why he is giving oats a townread. As oats is able to swap around his vote like that as scum and town it should be a null tell. And as hopeless has been around a lot I would think he would know that.
@Hopeless Is there anything other than the voteswapping and how he did it that give you a towntell on oats? Does your towntell diminish if you read some of his scumgames and see he is able to do that as scum aswell?
Jonny: Ok he left off by saying he had a case coming on Balla, and that Ballas filter stank. But when he comes back he has a case on Koshi. And imo it sucks, he points to a lot of different things, but I dont see why Koshi is scum from any of them. He claims to have scumreads on Koshi, slam and LM. Where the fuck did Balla go? I think Aquas case on him is really good, especially his conversation with the LM read. It really don't make any sense.
@Jonny What is your stance on Balla now? What in his filter stank, is it still stinking ? If not why?
##Vote JonnyLaw
If we are looking at a suki/sidesprang scumteam, then sidesprang his meta is to give town townreads and hide in the shadows. I like it.
Ok, so from the lynch. Coag and Suki both are looking bad, and have been talked about a lot.
Suki as I said is hard for me, she completly fooled me for the most part in Newbie mafia L1, and i'm starting to get scared she is doing it again. I had her as null / leaning town earlier. But her hard attack on Jay looks way worse now that Jonny flipped scum. I mean most of us thought Jonny was good D1 lynch, and the fact that Jay blueclaimed but she stilled thought he was a better lynch I find a off. Yes the claim was wierd, but he did the same shit last game.
The Slam / Coag team looks bad mostly for his lack of mentioning of Jonny. Which I wish we could have questioned Slam about. Sadly unless Coag for some reason decides to actually play mafia I doubt we will get much usefull information from him. Might be the best vig shot if we got one imo.
Two others that really did not mention Jonny either is Hopeless and Oats, and I think we should look at them for tomorrow aswell.
On February 08 2014 23:02 Koshi wrote: You never sheep. Was is dis?
I sheep all the time, I just dont say im sheeping
Not at all. Did.you agree with Hopeless read on you? How sure are you about jonny red flip?
Of course he disagrees with me, he's scum Koshi. /sarcasm
I may not be back before deadline, family stuff. I'll try to keep updated by phone
##Unvote ##Vote: JonnyLaw
Oats on Jonny:
On February 07 2014 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Johnny is my second pick for scum but I doubt that him and jay are on the same team due to the pretty much exact same push on koshi. Thoughts?
On February 07 2014 19:17 Oatsmaster wrote: I gave the first analysis on suki, the only thing I sheeped was aqua asking about suki.
how is suki town because she totally ignores jayb's case and thinks he is too tryhard and therefore scum? URGHGHHH
fine. ##unvote ##vote Sidesprang Firstly his scumreads dont make sense. He summarizes all our filters and doesnt say anything about how it makes us scum, he isnt reading in depth at all to know that I think johnny is town and his townread on suki doesnt make sense either. bleh its hard to phrase but I dont get the feeling like he is questioning anything at all in this game.
On February 08 2014 11:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm johnny says he is gonna post a case on balla. I wanna see how that goea but currently I could lynch Hes like really angry. Angry people are scummy people
The Vote:
On February 08 2014 22:58 Oatsmaster wrote: ##unvote bleh. sheep time ##vote johnny
I don't really know hopeless playstyle, and I mentioned earlier that Oats can pull this off as either allignment. And now that Jonny flipped scum I'm getting extra worried. Sadly their play this game is mostly short post with little content, so they are hard to read, atleast for me.
For now I would think both scum lies in theese four.
Anyone have input on oats / hopeless? Don't feel they have been discussed much yet.
On February 09 2014 15:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah suki pretty scummy for wanting to lynch LM but voting for jay the claimrd doc. Coag post seal pls
Seems to me your just messing around from last game. But at this point in the game we should be starting to get serious and you have not posted enough that we know your alignment yet.
Oats lets talk what do you think about Suki and Coag and Hopeless1der
I totally didnt bus Johnny right guis?
I think hopeless is town, coag is town if he actually posted more than once.
Why is hopeless town? I really don't see how he can be more than a null, unless you got some meta shit on him.
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