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Koshi
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Oatsmaster
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On February 09 2014 22:15 sidesprang wrote: Why is hopeless town? I really don't see how he can be more than a null, unless you got some meta shit on him. I think lynching johnny is pretty townie for now. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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also And now that Jonny flipped scum I'm getting extra worried. Who gets worried when scum flip? | ||
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suki
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Not much I can say on the allegations against me so I'm just going to provide analysis and if you really want to lynch me then afterwards I will hopefully have contributed enough to lead town to a win. I guess if I were to say one thing as defense, it's that I'm town, and not all the meta arguments brought against me are true, and some that are true don't apply because I guess I'm playing differently this game, ie. my tunnel on Jay as opposed to flopping around like a fish out of water. But there's no point in me arguing my own meta. My pick for the day 2 lynch at the moment: Slam/Coag Slam's activity this game is very different from his town game last game. He came in late, citing work things, but his activity didn't pick up from there. This is in direct contrast when he was coming in the thread on his phone posting garbage but still trying to say things. I think this point is actually very important. He's more serious in tone. There's very little joking, none of the light hearted attitude that permeated last game: + Show Spoiler + Quotes from early game from the previous game: On February 03 2014 05:14 Alakaslam wrote: I know what I know, I say what I said and I know what I know! On February 04 2014 10:54 Alakaslam wrote: YOU BET AON I CANT GUARANTEE QUALITEE BUT I CANNAE AVOID TEH SPAM WITHOUT ÜUBERLURK On February 05 2014 02:38 Alakaslam wrote: pffft. you all crappin on my styles ##unvote ##Vote: Oatsmaster His flip may provide sufficient information in and of itself. If he is town, we take his posting to this point more seriously. Otherwise, oh happy day! He is not particularly townie so there should be no problem with this. He doesn't vote people as freely, and doesn't call people out for being scummy. Previous Game as town: + Show Spoiler + On February 05 2014 02:10 Alakaslam wrote: I understand this sentiment but I think you actually did understand my posts in a sense. I was UNABLE to edit them. That is what was so bad, I could barely get it to register a tap in the words and had to use talk text. That is why I stopped. Anything that didn't make sense I will try to clarify after I catch up and probably after work. it is still morning. jaybrundage you are rapidly convincing me you are scum. On February 05 2014 02:34 Alakaslam wrote: He just isn't vocalizing his reasons. Koshi is scummy at first because of his crazy entry to the thread. He is further scummy because he abandons the policy as some sort of joke as soon as he gets fire for it. Oats is Oats, have you been in many games with him? I don't try to read him yet Balla24 finally so town ist awesome. Jaybrundage not near as scummy as I thought he was last night. But I am devolving into list posting stuff you all either already know or won't care about. I hope we aren't around looking for some sort of scum tell. I was and I was getting all pissy because I was finding them everywhere. What we need to do is find the unknown, by conventional or unconventional means. Vote: LoneMeow jaybrundage why are you scummy? I don't care if you know your alignment is town, why are you scummy? What have you done in this game that is scummy? I want you to look over stuff in your own filter and point it out. if you feel like it, answer the same question Sidesprang. Or not. On February 05 2014 02:38 Alakaslam wrote: pffft. you all crappin on my styles ##unvote ##Vote: Oatsmaster His flip may provide sufficient information in and of itself. If he is town, we take his posting to this point more seriously. Otherwise, oh happy day! He is not particularly townie so there should be no problem with this. This Game: + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2014 10:16 Alakaslam wrote: Thing about lurker lynches. You can advocate them but if you don't follow through your motives should be questioned... Has Jaybrundage voted for me yet? ... Who is he voting? If anyone has been lurking I have been, he should be pushing me according to this policy. More as I feel the desire to comment on it. On February 08 2014 13:35 Alakaslam wrote: Lol Suki That coloring. Don't color shit in the first case. Guess what? You find that Jay apparently calls himself mislynch bait as town and as scum. You kept highlighting that in his scum games but not his towngame. Just that first case has me suspicious of YOU. What is going on with that kind of fabrication? People will read the highlights better at times but I have some paranoia that gives me memory of connection and an Armenian-reading-a-contract type of thouroughness if I see stuff like that.(coloration) However could have been a slip as all ppl make mistakes. And I haven't read the whole thing, so will finish before drawing conclusions On February 08 2014 14:19 Alakaslam wrote: But this sucks too jay ez to say null Of course hard to form good read too so whatever On February 08 2014 18:52 Alakaslam wrote: You pointed something out in there, jay did not push me or lone. Pushes me to ##Vote: jaybrundage for now, if I find a better candidate I will switch. Going to go measure some temps and will return. There's just a marked decline in interest in scumhunting and calling people out for scummy things. Also this was in the previous spoiler but let me bring something up here: On February 08 2014 18:52 Alakaslam wrote: You pointed something out in there, jay did not push me or lone. Pushes me to ##Vote: jaybrundage for now, if I find a better candidate I will switch. Going to go measure some temps and will return. Slam has always just thrown his vote on who he thinks is scummy. In the spoiler above from the previous game, he voted LoneMeow and his very next post he voted Oatsmaster with only the text 'You all crappin' on my styles'. This self-consciousness in how he changes his vote is very scummy to me. There is also the point that Slam basically ignored JonnyLaw. Now Coag: On February 09 2014 04:22 Coagulation wrote: I just threw a placeholder vote down while i catch up on thread so i dont get stuck with whatever slam voted cause apparently thats what was gonna happen. Coag comes in and votes JonnyLaw without explanation two and a half hours before the lynch. He says it's a placeholder but doesn't say anything else in the thread until after the lynch. On February 09 2014 11:35 Coagulation wrote: ok so im finishing catching up in thread... and seems like you guys have already decided to lynch me based on slams actions so umm thats not good considering how shit at town I am Im not gonna have a snowballs chance in hell of unshitting alakaslams play. Just wanted to get that out there. dont expect me to work any miracles but I will try to keep thread updated with my reads as much as I can as I follow the game. Is it just me or is he self-convinced that slam's play is shit and scummy? People have been bringing up slam as a good lynch candidate but there were other names being thrown around as well (oats, jay, me). Yet Oats seems resigned from the outset. His call for the vigi to shoot him indicates a lack of desire to play. I think scum (at least from what I've seen here) are more likely to be discouraged from rolling scum and not want to put in the effort. Basically his whole attitude thus far is downtrodden. A scum would know the allegations against slam would be true, a town would know they're false and at least be willing to try to make up for the crappy play, right? In short, both slam and coag's play thus far fit into a scum mindset. - - - Thoughts on other people coming up. | ||
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suki
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In Newbie Mafia LI, theDragoon was by far the most popular lynch candidate. Everybody was voting theDragoon. sidesprang started questioning Dragoon heavily, trying to find his motivations: + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2014 15:33 sidesprang wrote: @theDragoon Who would you vote for now and why ? Also, why did you change your mind and wanted to defend yourself afterall ? On January 07 2014 16:09 sidesprang wrote: So from your defence post I take it that your biggest scumread is suki, why did you not change your vote to him? And are you planning on doing more to get yourself not lynched ? Also why is suki scum if you flip town? His reason: On January 07 2014 16:32 sidesprang wrote: The fact that it is a landslide in voting atm is why im trying to poke theDragoon to talk some more. I think it's all going to easy atm, tho voting aside and before he voted for himself he was my biggest scumread. But hopefully he will contribute some more since he have some new found interesting in defending himself. I'm here now, so if you wanna lynch me why don't you poke me for some reads or something. Kinda like the plan was with lurkers in the start of the day... Remember earlier this game I stated I was concerned about Jonny being scum because literally everybody was on him? Sidesprang, when he commented and voted on JonnyLaw, didn't have strong feelings that Jonny was scum, and yet he only asks about Balla and doesn't seem concerned that everyone is bandwagoning on Jonny. On February 09 2014 02:41 sidesprang wrote: Jonny: Ok he left off by saying he had a case coming on Balla, and that Ballas filter stank. But when he comes back he has a case on Koshi. And imo it sucks, he points to a lot of different things, but I dont see why Koshi is scum from any of them. He claims to have scumreads on Koshi, slam and LM. Where the fuck did Balla go? I think Aquas case on him is really good, especially his conversation with the LM read. It really don't make any sense. @Jonny What is your stance on Balla now? What in his filter stank, is it still stinking ? If not why? ##Vote JonnyLaw His reads this game are all non-commital: + Show Spoiler + On February 09 2014 02:41 sidesprang wrote: Ok lets see... LM: While reading his filter I just dont see anything that stand out in a scummy way, not neccesarily town either. But not worth looking at this late in the cycle. Alakaslam: I buy that he has been busy with work and whatnot. As I don't think scum!slam would lurk in any way I dont see a reason for lying about it. That being said I dont think his enterance is very good. Starts by complaining about how Balla / Suki trolled early game, which has been pointed out is something he is very capable aswell. And it was obviously something that was prewritten before Balla got the roles. Why bring that shit up again, its a null tell. His points are just fluff. He then says he is going to try some filters, but looks like he only read JayB, maybe the easiest one to pick on at the time. [suki note: notice for all these words he avoids coming to any conclusions on slam] @Slam Did you read up on the rest of the players? Do you got any other reads? What are your thoughts on Jonny? Hopeless: Overall I dont find much scummy or town in his filter. But I agree I don't like why he is giving oats a townread. As oats is able to swap around his vote like that as scum and town it should be a null tell. And as hopeless has been around a lot I would think he would know that. @Hopeless Is there anything other than the voteswapping and how he did it that give you a towntell on oats? Does your towntell diminish if you read some of his scumgames and see he is able to do that as scum aswell? Jonny: Ok he left off by saying he had a case coming on Balla, and that Ballas filter stank. But when he comes back he has a case on Koshi. And imo it sucks, he points to a lot of different things, but I dont see why Koshi is scum from any of them. He claims to have scumreads on Koshi, slam and LM. Where the fuck did Balla go? I think Aquas case on him is really good, especially his conversation with the LM read. It really don't make any sense. @Jonny What is your stance on Balla now? What in his filter stank, is it still stinking ? If not why? ##Vote JonnyLaw On February 09 2014 22:14 sidesprang wrote: Ok, so from the lynch. Coag and Suki both are looking bad, and have been talked about a lot. Suki as I said is hard for me, she completly fooled me for the most part in Newbie mafia L1, and i'm starting to get scared she is doing it again. I had her as null / leaning town earlier. But her hard attack on Jay looks way worse now that Jonny flipped scum. I mean most of us thought Jonny was good D1 lynch, and the fact that Jay blueclaimed but she stilled thought he was a better lynch I find a off. Yes the claim was wierd, but he did the same shit last game. The Slam / Coag team looks bad mostly for his lack of mentioning of Jonny. Which I wish we could have questioned Slam about. Sadly unless Coag for some reason decides to actually play mafia I doubt we will get much usefull information from him. Might be the best vig shot if we got one imo. Two others that really did not mention Jonny either is Hopeless and Oats, and I think we should look at them for tomorrow aswell. Hopeless on Jonny: Only post before vote where jonny is mentioned: The vote: Oats on Jonny: The Vote: I don't really know hopeless playstyle, and I mentioned earlier that Oats can pull this off as either allignment.And now that Jonny flipped scum I'm getting extra worried. Sadly their play this game is mostly short post with little content, so they are hard to read, atleast for me. For now I would think both scum lies in theese four. Anyone have input on oats / hopeless? Don't feel they have been discussed much yet. Hmm... Definitely not so sure about sidesprang. It might just be because we don't have any full scum games to refer to, but I'm having a hard time meta reading him. His lack of firm scum reads is convenient play if he's scum, but I noticed looking through his town games that he usually plays it safe and is cautious about who and what he calls scummy. The lack of concern that Jonny was an easy target that everyone was getting at is only circumstantial and not hard evidence in my opinion, but something that I noticed. Verdict: Sidesprang is a little scummy to me right now. | ||
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I think Aqua's constant interactions with Jonny also make him look town. Oats hard to read but he still feels like last game and I liked his pressure on me in Day 1. It felt very townie. Hopeless hard to read, but gut read says he's town. I like his light attitude and his activity. I think LoneMeow has been playing well and I liked his gut read of Hopeless and the way he defended it when people pressured him. I like that he is pushing hard on slam/coag so we'll see what happens after Day 2. I think I've done enough with Jay and am not going to touch him for Day 2 to give him a break. So I guess the summary is, people that I think are scummy are Coag and Sidesprang. Jay I'm giving a break. Everyone else I like their Day 1 play and probably will wait until Day 3 to look at them again unless something happens during Day 2. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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WARNING ** WARNING WALL OF CONFIRMATION BIAS INCOMING Subject: suki is scum On February 07 2014 15:11 Oatsmaster wrote: what. I think you dont understand the meaning of 'objectively' scummy. You havent explained anything about his tryhardness making him scum or why his case was bad, or why his stuff is forced. Like half this shit is subjective. ##VOTE SUKI WAGON OF JUSTICE This is the most succinct point about suki's early game. From the moment jayb pushes koshi she's jumps to call him scum for tryharding without addressing the validity of the case against koshi at all. I severely dislike suki's meta of sidesprang. For one thing, his scum game was a 51-player setup. Sidesprang died Night 6 and had a 1 page filter over the course of the almost 150 page game. On February 07 2014 14:50 suki wrote: He asks 'Are you basing your scum read on Suki just off meta atm?' then spends two large posts talking about how my meta is different and basically soft-defending me. I'm used to sidesprang asking tough questions, questions whose answers have meaning. It's kind of subtle but I feel like if sidesprang really cared about Aquanim's answer he would have waited for Aqua's reply. Go check sidesprang's filter to verify this claim. I assert that it is a false representation of sidesprang's filter. On February 07 2014 14:50 suki wrote: The other thing I noticed is that when he talked about Jay, he talked directly to Jay 'Regarding your Koshi case.. you better get more meat on it ... I think it's too early to call you scum...' jayb and sprang were having a direct conversation with one another. There is nothing suspicious here. On February 07 2014 14:54 suki wrote: In the previous game Jay also didn't write giant cases like the one he wrote here. One of the big problems we had with him is that he talked too much policy and didn't scum hunt enough. Obviously he's changed his style, but he's done a complete 180. And my gut says it feels more forced than it should be, but if you don't see it then we can agree to disagree. Jay was damn near lynched last game. I will concede that I do find jay scummy, but this is not the reason why. Changing his style when he explicitly said he was going to change his style is not scummy. Tunnel vision - Check. On February 07 2014 15:14 suki wrote: lol get off my case Oats. I told you why I thought Jay's play was forced and why I think it's scummy and you don't agree with it. What else am I going to do? His case against Koshi is BAD. Seriously. Koshi is scum because he's not happy? Tell me why you think his case against Koshi is good and maybe we can have a decent discussion. The case being BAD had zero bearing on suki's read on jayb earlier. Why the sudden shift in reasoning? The exact same evidence was present but suki generates a secondary reason for the same read when pressured by Oats. Do not like it. On February 08 2014 01:32 suki wrote: What do people think about lynching slam or LoneMeow for pulling the same 24 hour disappearance trick that Hopeless did in the previous game? I know that slam can check the game from his phone and has no qualms about posting from his phone. This behaviour is not typical of either of them. If suki is scum I'm damn near certain one of those two is as well. Trying to push the lynch onto zero-post lurkers is super scummy. The "feeling" of hey look I was totally right about the lurkers was a heavy draw for me last game to lightly throw pressure onto sidesprang. That is what this post reminds me of, a light bus attempt. + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2014 06:02 suki wrote: Sidesprang's meta: + Show Spoiler + Cop in II Titanic On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote: Ok, so a lot of things going on. I agree we should not let lurkers stay silent, and should poke anyone that stays silent for to long. But there is a lot of value in not spamming down the thread if you are town, that will only make the scummy post harder to see. I'm mainly looking at you Xatalos, as you are on your third page in filter with like half of the post being oneliners. Even if town you will be detrimental to the town if you keep this up! There are others aswell, just used you as an example. -------- About Cora there are a few things I did not like and caught my eye. His opening post is not good, and if he's mafia hes basically just buying himself an excuse to lurk for day 1 and then come out day 2 and bring chaos onto the town. He also deflected a lot in his defence and basically just said "look at X he's scummier than me". And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town. I do not feel cora is mafia yet at least, but definetly worth to look at. ------- @Kish, can anyone that have played with him earlier say something about how he plays. He is deffo playing the most anti town atm, but he's also doing it on purpose which is frustrating. This is pretty much his first post in the game. Notice he writes a short thing about policy and then starts scum hunting. Most of his posts in this game are scum hunting, but I didn't find many difficult questions in this one. Town in Newbie Mini Mafia LI On January 06 2014 08:10 sidesprang wrote: You don't see a reason why people should help Bella with creating a "tough environment for mafia to hide in and lynch some mafia" ? Starts the game off with a pointed question trying to find TheChyz's motives. On January 06 2014 08:59 sidesprang wrote: @ onlywonderboy atm he is just null for me. from his PoV he has only stated obvious things so far. It not really contributing atm, but its to early to fault him for that. And he does say he is going to more active and contribute with meaningfull analysis, so as long as he atleast tries to do this we should be able to read him in the future. @ thechyz, I don't like him atm. In his first post he says he agrees with you and dont mind lynching lurkers to discourage lurking. But then in his second post he says he see no reason to why people should help you achivieving that same agenda he just agreed with. Feels very much like a contradiction to me. This is his third post in the game and he's pointing out contradictions. On January 07 2014 15:33 sidesprang wrote: @theDragoon Who would you vote for now and why ? Also, why did you change your mind and wanted to defend yourself afterall ? Questioning TheDragoon who was the top lynch candidate of the day. sidesprang was wary that the lynch on theDragoon was going to smoothly and tried getting information from theDragoon before the lynch. Miller in TL Mafia XX He spends most of the game apologizing for his low post quantity. scum in TL Mafia XVIII Like sidesprang pointed out, this scum game is from 4 years ago, something that I didn't think about as I was just looking through past games and not noticing the date. Regardless, I'll include some posts here to show where my line of thought came from in my case that I wrote up. On February 14 2010 12:00 sidesprang wrote: I definatly agree that we should not lynch someone based on day one clues, unless someone can make a foolproof case. But they should definatly be discussed and looked through, cause they could help us put the pieces toghter at a later day. And it also gives us something to talk about, and im pretty sure the more posts there are the more information one could gather from this game and put it togheter. policy talk to start the game On February 15 2010 00:30 sidesprang wrote: L's point about beeing 20 mafia and that it will take a long time before we get two different clues on a single mafia i dont really think is true. Last game i was in there was 8 mafia and they had 3kp. meaning at day 3 we in the worst case scenario had 1 mafia with double clues. In this game there is 20 mafia and 6 KP, meaning in the worst case we would have 4 double clues at day 4. But you with there beeing possible 12 mafia kills and 2 lynces one should think/hope that some mafia would die, and we get double clues at day 3 again. Two posts later, setup talk. On February 16 2010 08:05 sidesprang wrote: Man your so wrong about the overlapping clues thing. If we dont see overlapping clues before day 6, it is because the mafia only hits the town. And that is not realistic. The mafia hitting 1/3 each lynch seems realistic if not to low to me. Then we have 6 dead by day 3. And already overlapping clues. Altho the mafia would prolly have overlapping hits. But my point still stands. We will see overlapping hits WAY before day 6, and if we dont we're allready doomed cause we've lost half our town  The next post, more setup talk. On February 21 2010 12:10 sidesprang wrote: i changed my vote to quickstriker, but i dont see why we should not double lynch tomorrow. Since i feel we have alot of good clues to work of, and we will get more. So you're gonna have to give more reasons for me to take away my double lynch vote. No reason for his vote. On February 26 2010 16:59 sidesprang wrote: First, my votes are not set in stone. If so i would not have voted so early. But its the weekend coming up and i know im definatly going out on saturday(and the voting closes 1AM(or something like that) in norway. So i had to vote something in case i wont have the time later, ofc i could have abstained but i think scamp is mafia and that L might be and he voting scamp, because of the cluelink towards you. voting L, because he has lead this town on so many wrong turns. And i don't see any real proof of him beeing non mafia, and if he is mafia he has gotten away with far to much allready. reasons for not voting johnnyspaz who i think is definatly mafia, let the other mafia team kill him. And to the clue link from malongo, im not really sure what aristocracy of money means but for the rest of the first bold sentence i feel that is a huge strech. And im not decafchickens friend  And the bold part number two. That has to be a clue to johhnyspaz, i mean he gets turn into a pincushion. And he has a picture of sonic the hedgehog. Basically this is his only scum hunting effort in the game. Again, his filter was super short, but the thing that I noticed is the lack of scumhunting compared to his other town games. But I missed something big in my meta analysis.. That is, sidesprang was scum in the original Shadowed game. Scum in Shadowed Mafia On February 04 2014 10:14 sidesprang wrote: Lol wtf game started today afterall. Anyhow regarding policy shit, not much to say, think it's covered allready. But yeh, look for content instead not postcount. We do NOT want ppl spamming useless shit. Why did you want Jonny to out Ballas scumtells in the thread this early before Balla even had a chance to play into them ? On February 04 2014 12:29 sidesprang wrote: Firstly its Sidesprang, not sidesprung or whatever else ppl think it is. I don't mind Balla voting for LM, because I think if he keeps on playing like this he will hopefully be easy to read. As for why he voted I dont really agree with. LM's stance on koshi's "plan" is kinda like mine. Judge people based on content not number of posts, and also only reason to lynch lurkers is if there are no better options available. I liked your response, you had a reason for asking it and you had logic backing it up. Answer felt honest. Tho I do not agree with your logic. It's nice and all generating discussion, but I dont think going over ppl's meta this early is wise. As I think it would be harder to use meta against players if it's been discussed in thread first. The whole suki / jonny deal requires more thought if I wanna read something out of it. Aka atm I don't really know, and I will read more up on that tomorrow when I got better time. I got some people whom I feel are playing protown atm, but I see no reason sharing townreads at this point. I don't have scumreads atm, tho I got a bit interested in Suki since she disliked your post. A post I liked cause you are doing what I think you should be doing with lurkers (get them to post, so you can read them, not lynch them blindly). People should post enough to be readable and enough to get their scumreads out. I don't belive in a set number. his first two posts in the game. Basically... He doesn't spend time on policy talk and he starts hunting right away. So yeah. Taking this into account my case on sidesprang doesn't hold any water. Based on the games that I linked in my original post, I think that my conclusions were reasonable - policy talk in his scum game and scum hunting in his town games. But taking into account the previous Shadowed game where he was scum it's obvious he's changed (read improved) his scum game quite a bit. Anyways, I suppose I'm null on sidesprang for now. I'll take a closer look at him later. The Jonny connection (I think most if not all of the remaining posts concern suki re:jonny) + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 15:06 suki wrote: That is a sick sick catch Balla, My King. The fact that Jonny hasn't jumped on Jay at all is really suspicious, especially Jay's post where you pointed out he was making excuses for no reason. Another thing I noticed about Jonny is that he spends a lot of time saying how stupid your opening post is, but that's all it amounts to. Just adding fluff to the game. He appreciates I start the game 'with style' by asking him this question "Why the hell is a giant post that balla OBVIOUSLY wrote before the roles were revealed, make him scum?", and then proceeds to ignore my question and continue to berate balla for the bad post. ^agreeing with Balla early on that Jonny looks suspicious. On February 07 2014 15:50 suki wrote: @Jonny, your thoughts on Jay please. I don't like how you spent a lot of time criticizing Balla's responses to Jay, and yet didn't mention Jay's case at all aside from a few vague one liners. suki was headed to bed around the time of this post but never addresses jonny's response later in the day and continuously makes excuses about wanting to give Jonny more time to comment. On February 08 2014 06:18 suki wrote: Ok so Jonny doesn't have any scum games that I can find. If someone can link me any that would be great. Going through the previous town games of his I don't see too much difference between those games and this game. He's always posted one liners, with the occasional longer post here and there. One of the things that I didn't like about his play that I've mentioned is he keeps on shitting on Balla's opening post way after he says it's useless to talk about it.. But in Shadowed Mafia he actually does the same with Koshi's opening. Keeps on mentioning it despite saying it's useless. I think there's not enough for me to come to a conclusion on him yet. I'm eagerly anticipating his case on Balla and the next few people he pushes. Jonny's scum game had already been linked by balla. Suki appears to be avoiding the issue/not reading the thread But then... On February 08 2014 06:32 suki wrote: I see your point Balla, My King. I didn't include PyP in my analysis because theme games are really wonky and I didn't know what was going on, but your quote on mocsta does sound like his attitude this game. I thought you couldnt find any scum games suki. What happened to that? On February 08 2014 12:05 suki wrote: She knows precisely why people find Jonny scummy, but doesn't want to pressure him too hard because...?Did you see Jonny's play last game? lol. People are suspicious of him right now because he's not being angry when he should be. On February 08 2014 13:31 suki wrote: Right now my second lynch is Jonny. I think the points brought up by Balla are quite valid. I found his lack of comment on Jay strange (even before I really started tunneling Jay). He promised a big post on Balla and has not delivered which is really fishy. Points in his favour are that his playstyle hasn't changed dramatically (still one liners, still mostly angry), and a good player once told me that he's never seen a scum player post in the thread when they're drunk. I think that his activity the next time he comes into the thread is going to make or break my read on him. If somehow Jay became off-limits for the lynch and I had to choose right now based on my general impressions, I'd vote for Jonny. She clings tight to this idea of wait-and-see. On February 09 2014 00:11 suki wrote: I just can't get over my read on Jay. He's scum to me through and through. Even before he started blowing up at me his attitude just didn't make sense and didn't fit with his town play. People give him the pass for 'making changes' but they never explain why these changes make it more likely that he's town. If it's between Jonny and Jay, then I'll push Jay. Jonny's case on Koshi based on the early gameis so bad. His continued use of the previous game to provide examples is stupid. However if I give him the benefit of the doubt and believe that he was working and he's short on time, then it's easier to accept that his cases are bad. At least he's pushing cases, giving reads freely, being upfront. Contrast it with Jay's behavior. Yes, I am tunneling Jay. I'm just so damn sure of him. I don't buy his blue 'claim' at all (true-blue townie? what kind of stupid claim is that). How is it that Jay's been here so much more than Jonny and yet he's the one that has less scum-hunting activity? Remember how we were like when Koshi came into this game and claimed he was going to be super active, that if he didn't hold up to it then he's an easy lynch? Jay came into this game with an over the top IM GONNA HUNT SCUM attitude and he HAS NOT DELIVERED. Fuck. I am willing to give Jonny a second chance. His cases that he made are bad but that's no reason to fault him, at least he made cases, posted opinions and pushed the person he thought was scummy. What is Jay doing? Jonny came in and had no problems making a shitty case on Koshi just now yet I ask Jay why he thinks Koshi is scum and he dodges hard and later says 'Koshi is null'. Jay can't even stick to his own guns. Look at the votes in the thread. EVERYONE is on Jonny. Everyone. But there's so much hesitation with Jay. Face it, Jonny's the easy (mis)lynch target and not because he's been playing scummy, but because he has a few tweaks to his game that are suspicious (such as not flaming people for excuses, not commenting on Jay), because he's been away and because his cases are horrible. BUT he is OBJECTIVELY (yes Oats, Objectively) doing more pro-town things than Jay. Arrghghghghgh. I could apply suki's "jonny is freely posting" reasons to jayb if I felt so inclined. This line of reasoning doesn't hold water. Add in the fact that despite the fact thta Jonny isnt really that scummy (to suki), Jonny is still the #2 lynch on her list. Wat? On February 09 2014 00:16 suki wrote: Does it bother you that EVERYONE is suspicious of Jonny Koshi? NOT ANYMORE IT DOESNT. This is the kind-of-sort-of defending Jonny that I think has everyone on edge about suki's true motive. On February 09 2014 04:33 suki wrote: Won't it be funny if both Jonny AND Jay end up flipping scum? Then we'll look back at this moment when we're ripping our hair out arguing who is scummier and laugh. hohoho how silly were we. This post gave me a case of the jeebees. Made me feel like they were both mislynches despite having no real reason to believe suki was scum. Just a gutcheck "ugh that feels wrong". (Long post defending Jonny spoilered)+ Show Spoiler + On February 09 2014 05:39 suki wrote: Jonny's ENTIRE life story in Shadowed Mafia : The Reboot, with commentary from suki. + Show Spoiler + Jonny starts the thread with a more light-hearted attitude than usual, maybe in line with Balla and my joking. + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 07:06 JonnyLaw wrote: Bring the hate. It will only make me stronger. On February 07 2014 07:21 JonnyLaw wrote: Sigh...Jayb man. You called balla super townie for entering the thread with a vote last game. Are you sheeping your "town playstyles" again? On February 07 2014 07:33 JonnyLaw wrote: I laughed. For real though, Koshi if you're town are you going to try and make real cases and hunt scum this game? Because last game you made shit cases and said I'm town. If you make shit cases and say I'm town again there's only one logical conclusion... I feel like we're in a strong position this game. We all got decent reads on everyone playing except aqua. Day1 is such a shit hole. Need small talk to get the game moving but I hate chitter chatter. These are all joke-y light hearted posts. On February 07 2014 08:08 JonnyLaw wrote: I hate this fucking post by the way. What is this supposed to accomplish? Standard JL aggression. On February 07 2014 08:17 JonnyLaw wrote: I could call you scum. Pre-Game How do you assume Balla's alignment? Here are more excuses from Koshi. What happened to a kid with a lollipop? JL hating on excuses. Koshi also brings up how he hates the 'kid with a lollipop' point multiple times. Yes it is a misinterpretation. No, I don't think he should be hanged for such a silly mistake. On February 07 2014 08:54 JonnyLaw wrote: That's the most important part of your post. Anyone who calls jay scum must be scum. Easy defense. Jay looks scummy. So does Koshi. Honestly you've done nothing to show otherwise either. Decent analysis. Sharing of reads. After this he goes to dinner with his girlfriend. Right now Balla has posted this against Jonny: He also completely dismissed my first post without even giving it a a real thought, similar to what jaybrundage did, and has been spewing irrelevant things like commentary about post-game which is completely off-topic unless he wants to make a point about this game with it. Also the aqua stuff is pretty irrelevant, and actually anti-town. What's the point of talking about Aqua's meta if he hasn't even posted anything yet? Sure I guess it's interesting to see if anybody has played with him, but you can 1. do that research yourself. 2. wait to see if anybody brings any meta arguments and information to the table themselves. So at this point in the game, Jonny's being called out for: 1. Dismissing Balla's opening post. Jonny also hated on Koshi's opening post last game and wanted to stop discussing it asap. 2. Commentary about the previous game, which is off-topic. 3. asking about Aqua's meta. Balla calls it anti-town but I'd rate it more neutral. Koshi also at this point called Jonny out for leaving right when JayB started getting attention. - - - - actually before Jonny's next post Balla posts a case on Jonny and says he's weary of Jonny: + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 13:39 Balla24 wrote: Alright, moving on. What do you guys think about JonnyLaw? I'm very weary on him. The post he quotes here is completely irrelevant to my probability mafia post. This was literally the first time I was not being trolly in this game. I know the things I was referring to were trolly and joky, but I wanted to start the game at that point, and they were interesting enough initial thoughts to question their motives behind it. Why does he think i'm forcing anything and distracting anything. That was literally the start of the first discussion of the game yet he doesn't even really read it. He even moves into quoting one of my more trolly posts afterwards ("I declare myself king") and calls it funny, even though it was way more distracting than anything else I did. Moving on: There were plenty moments where jonny talks about something irrelevant and not helpful to the game with the facade that it is "getting the game started" and "not talking about policy". This post here could have literally happened in post-game and pre-game, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. There is absolutely NO relevance to jay's alignment in this game. In fact, all it does is help jay if he's scum. There's more moments like this, specifically the Aqua stuff. Here he says that he finds Jay's excuse-making and self-doubt "weary" but doesn't think it makes him scum (or at least that's what I gather from him asking "does that make him scum?" after literally saying "it's scummy sure", which is really weird in itself). This is in direct contrast to what I know of town jonny. The guy LOVES to pick at this stuff. + Show Spoiler [Quotes from jonny town games] + On January 20 2014 11:40 JonnyLaw wrote: Ve's full of shit. He was this active last game. Making excuses for his posting now. ##vote visceral eyes On January 06 2014 15:21 JonnyLaw wrote: You're not saying anything with authority. You're hesitant and making excuses throughout that post. What are your opinions so far? I don't care how other people feel about you or if it's your first game. That doesn't matter. On January 06 2014 15:30 JonnyLaw wrote: I'll be on tomorrow at a more reasonable time. At this point we have three players who've posted nothing. Fine, we have 30+ hours till day ends. I hate this post and generally everything in Asuna's filter. Excuses, bandwagoning and self doubt in one line. I'm down to lynch Asuna or OWB at this point. Dragoon and Chyz read more as if they're trying but misguided. + Show Spoiler [PYP: LoL, where Jonny is Mafia] + On December 03 2013 07:24 JonnyLaw wrote: Rean - Votes yorick, claims vt and roleplays liftlift. Could be scum lurking. Austin talks about champ abilities and not wanting town to role claim. I'm not certain role claiming is the best policy either. Maybe I'm missing something but these two are lurking harder than gtrs. Mocsta is making a lot of excuses. Busy, in mylo etc... I generally agree with Roffles and Mocsta about gtrs. + Show Spoiler + On December 02 2013 15:08 Roffles wrote: I think gtrsrs just doesn't give a fuck anymore because he didn't get his champ of choice and is stuck as a vanilla townie. To me it all makes sense cause I know he probably just picked a champ he likes playing in the actual game (Khazix) and seemed cool in terms of skills here (he announced he was doing this too), but wasn't able to grab him and now just starts screwing around cause he's got nothing better to do. MZ wants gtrs lynched and then spends the rest of his posts defending himself. If this is a popular sentiment and he was a proponent of it early why is he getting so much flak? Are mocsta and MZ arguing for some personal reasons? Why did you want me to read these filters. The first two say nothing and the second two are just arguing. Rayn thinks MZ's contradicting himself but the first couple days I thought Rayn posted okay for the most part. I'm more confused about them at this point than anything. tldr Rean and Austin are useless right now because they're doing nothing. Mocsta's making excuses without them being asked. Could be scummy. MZ's spending all his time on defense. This is the opposite of how soniv approached aggression directed his way. That's why I liked soniv for town earlier. Then this. This is just blatantly not reading the thread. I was asked by jaybrundage to make a "town case" on koshi, so I did so. I even quoted what I was responding to. Yet he tells me I'M not reading the thread. This ticks me off ^_^. Balla your points are as follows: 1. Jonny is taking offense to your joke posts, although he calls your first serious post a joke and he also laughs at your later crowning of yourself as king. You don't really explain how this is scummy but I assume it's more like a point that he's inconsistent and not reading properly. 2. Jonny is not contributing anything pro-town and is just wasting time. 3. He finds Jay's excuse-making and self-doubt "weary" but doesn't think it makes him scum. Whereas, we know Jonny loves to pick on excuse-making. This is one of Balla's points that I really liked. 4. He's blatantly not reading the thread. This doesn't seem like a scummy point, just like something frustrating. - - - - Jonny comes back and he's drunk. He responds to the above case from Balla at Aqua's request (mistakingly thinking I requested it hence why he's talking to suki). On February 07 2014 16:15 JonnyLaw wrote: Why do you even want me to look at that Suki? Balla says I think his king post was funny. Am I supposed to take that seriously? I refuse to do so. I talk to Jay about the last game. Uhhh....I felt bad for tunneling a townie so hard? I want jay to play the game and you guys start out right where I fucking left off. If he's scum (which I get to in my next post) we can lynch him. And Balla's mad that I don't think he's paying attention and I refuse to call him "king." Yeah...what is there to say about that "case" on me. Finishing the jay post. be back with you in a second. He ignores the points where Balla says Jonny was wasting time talking about fluff. He explains he felt bad in the previous game for tunneling Jay so hard. Basically he dismisses Balla's case which I think is reasonable. On February 07 2014 16:33 JonnyLaw wrote: LOL. Hi aqua. Sorry assumed the chain kept going from Suki. I'm getting very weary from the long night out. The second post is the scummiest thing Jay's said all day. Actually it's scummy as hell rereading it. Under what town mindset are you ready to lynch one person and vig another two hours into the game? I wanna go look at balla before I crash. He posts saying Jay is scummy. Asks a very potent question (bolded) which I actually really like. On February 07 2014 17:39 JonnyLaw wrote: hi Koshi. I'll give you balla case soon hopefully. I was rereading it and my dog just shit diarrhea all over my carpet in my room. Pics if you want. I hate this game. So drink and tired and now dog shit everywhere. Anyway, i'll be with you soon. I have a few hours before I need to work. He promises a case on Balla but due to IRL doesn't deliver and leaves everyone hanging. - - - - Aqua posts a case on Jonny: On February 07 2014 23:36 Aquanim wrote: Jonny tops the list at the moment. I feel like this response by Jonny: misinterpreted some of Balla's points and completely ignored the strongest one. I also don't think Jonny's putting a significant amount of effort into drawing information out of the thread. I can't see any questions he's asked anyone, or any serious pressure. may as well do this now instead of waiting till tomorrow ##Vote: JonnyLaw I really want to see this case on Balla he claims to have. idk what to make of jayB now, gonna need to see more from him to make any solid read. Similar for sidesprang. The important point here is that he brings up the fact that Jonny hasn't asked any questions or put any serious pressure on anyone. Aqua says Jonny didn't answer Balla's case (the two sections previous to this one), I think Balla's case wasn't really pointing out why Jonny was scummy and Jonny's 'defense' makes decent sense. I mean, what is someone supposed to do when you accuse him of fluff? defend himself? He went and posted a case and promised another one. On February 08 2014 03:30 LoneMeow wrote: Hello. Had major emergency at work today so I have only done a quick read of the thread so far. So far I'd call JonnyLaw the scummiest of the bunch. Just compare his posting to the previous game and his newbies. One liners, off topic, no hostility towards who he thinks is scum. Proper read commencing now, if there's anything you want me to comment on or pay extra attention to let me know. On February 08 2014 05:19 LoneMeow wrote: Okay, so: JonnyLaw Not playing to his usual aggressive, abrasive town meta (and he was called very town for it in the previous game, so there's no reason to change). Posting a lot of one liners and not volunteering his opinion. Verdict: scummy LoneMeow calls Jonny the scummiest of the bunch. The logic is kinda flawed. He was somewhat hostile in the beginning and even in his other games he posts mostly one liners. He hasn't volunteered his opinion on anyone really. This point is true. However, I feel like it's not because Jonny was here in thread not volunteering his opinion but that Jonny was away from the thread and that's why it didn't happen. - - - - Koshi once again points out Jonny leaving right when Jay was put under the spotlight: On February 08 2014 05:31 Koshi wrote: The way you catched me previous game. I disappeared when it was lynch and wasn't discussing anything. The same happened with Jonny early game. Imagine if Jonny is town and jayB is scum, do you think Jonny would suddenly disappear at the same time hell breaks lose and not offer his opinion? Then when I call him out on him he says that he is there and trying to make sense of the clusterfuck. Which is extremely scummy, and then the next thing he posts is a misinterpretation about something that hapenned PRE-GAME. (the lollypop business). That's so strange coming from a guy who is pretty straightforward and dares to gives his opinion. When they are both scum it could have been because Jonny was seeing the clusterfuck that JayB was pulling himself into and just didn't know what to do. But I can see scum Jonny seeing townies fight and maybe be startled a bit on what to say, which side to pick. But town Jonny not knowing what to say when scum jayB is parading in the thread. Mehhhh. Again, if Jonny really was away, it's just inconvenient timing. If Jonny was here then yes it's suspicious. However Jonny did leave the thread at that point and say he was going out so it's just whether or not you believe him. - - - - Balla puts another case forward on Jonny: On February 08 2014 14:37 Balla24 wrote: ... Moving on, Jonnylaw. I feel bad here because of his drunk posting last night and how I said I wanted to ignore it while waiting for Jonny to come back and tell me if they were serious or not. But it's been a while now... his activity level is making me very wary(did I use the right word?) on top of all the other stuff I've already posted about. So actually, mid-writing this I decide I don't really have anything more to say about Jonny. I'd appreciate if he would try again to refute the points I brought up against him last night, because all drunk jonny did was mis-interpret what I was saying and ignore other stuff then call me scum for my filter which has still not been followed up on. Actually he also did this while he was sober too: It's actually giving me flashbacks to Normal Mini Mafia 1 vibes where I was scum and I was called scum early by multiple people because of my activity, and unfortunately I wasn't able to re-establish myself in the thread like I would have liked. I'm not sure if that's what's happening here obviously until Jonny gives me some sense that this is not what's happening. Another thing that makes me feel worse about him is that when we are both town, we tend to work very well together, regardless of how clashy our personalities are. We're not working well together. I don't know who he thinks is scum, all I know is he read my filter and thought it smelled bad. Maybe that will change. Finally.... ##vote Jonnylaw Basically, activity level sucks. Not really anything else to say. Comparing Jonny's inactivity to when Balla was scum and he wasn't able to re-establish himself in the thread. (Interesting point, why are you using this point for Jonny and not for Jay? Especially since Jay at the start said he was totes going to scum hunt hard) . Meta of how Jonny and Balla aren't working together even though they usually do despite their personalities clashing. - - - - - At this point Jonny comes back: On February 08 2014 17:27 JonnyLaw wrote: Hi guys. We had a new implementation explode as I was supposed to leave. Eight hours later I'm coming to make a case. Fielding questions. Otherwise reading filters. Things exploded at work. He's back. On February 08 2014 17:46 JonnyLaw wrote: koshi is our scum #1 in this game. Sheeping Balla off the start. I pointed out that Jay did this last game and it bought Jay a lot of town points in balla's mind. Excuses. Excuses. Fucking Excuses. Why can no one call him scum and where is the posting like a madman? I hate this entire series of posts. Anyone who's not joking around is scum? Get the fuck outta here. Uhh where's the scum hunting? And another post threatening the power of town koshi. Unleash it already. This reminds Koshi of his "off feelings' about town jayb last game? I don't understand. Seriously this is getting worse and worse for me. I'll do the rest tomorrow. ##vote Koshi I'm around for a few minutes to chat. Bad case on Koshi which is kinda just a reiteration of his original case. He doesn't add anything new and doesn't analyze Koshi's recent activity. On February 08 2014 17:49 JonnyLaw wrote: Uhh I called you scum? that's about it. No but I'm still not convinced. I don't have any clear town votes yet. koshi, slam and lm for scum. koshi for content and lm slam for lurking. rest neutral. i'm bad at finding town. i can find scum though. On February 08 2014 17:52 Aquanim wrote: @Jonny: Can you explain to me why you think LoneMeow is scum over jayB and sidesprang? On February 08 2014 17:57 JonnyLaw wrote: LM's lurking. Nothing else. Fuck, Jayb's the same reason I almost got lynched in nmmi. I tunnel a townie to death. Balla was scum and I thought Jay was last game. I don't want people to quit the game. I'm weak I guess. He straight up says that he thinks LM is scum for lurking. He doesn't pretty it up or make excuses. Jonny again seems hesitant to go after Jay because he tunneled Jay in the previous game. On February 08 2014 18:02 JonnyLaw wrote: I read the thread then reread the filters that stook out to me. It was suki, jayb and koshi. He admits he hasn't read the thread before stating his reads. He's very open about this. I honestly see this as a point in his favour. He has nothing to hide as town. On February 08 2014 18:10 JonnyLaw wrote: Anyway, I'm going to get a beer and drink it. Then I'm going to sleep and I'll be around well before lynch time tomorrow. He leaves the thread after answering a number of Aqua's questions. Whether these questions were answered satisfactorily or not is a different question, but his attitude was open and frank. On February 08 2014 18:14 JonnyLaw wrote: no. i don't think jay's scum at this point. his gameplay changes from this game to the last one make sense to me. his read of balla's starting post makes sense to me. calling out scum that early in the game makes sense to me as town. he changed the things that i said make him scum. koshi's play doesn't make sense to me. He says he doesn't think Jay is scum and provides reasons. He says Koshi's play doesn't make sense. I think he's forgotten that he had promised a write up on Balla. The scum explanation is he's trying to ignore it. The town explanation is he was drunk and doesn't remember. - - - - Aqua posts a case on Jonny On February 08 2014 21:54 Aquanim wrote: Why JonnyLaw is scum, and the best lynch today 1) He is not interested in talking with other people to find their alignments. Jonny did ask a few questions but they seemed pretty pointless to me: + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 07:21 JonnyLaw wrote: Sigh...Jayb man. You called balla super townie for entering the thread with a vote last game. Are you sheeping your "town playstyles" again? On February 07 2014 07:25 JonnyLaw wrote: I appreciate the effort you put into that post man. It's funny but you're trying to force it into being more distracting than Koshi's post last game. What the fuck? On February 07 2014 07:44 JonnyLaw wrote: I was talking about tunneling jayb. Apparently that's off topic. How about aqua. Have you played with him before? How do you feel about random votes being tossed around? et cetera. Importantly I don't think Jonny has asked anybody for their opinions/cases/whatever on anybody else, or to clarify a point he didn't understand. He has asked pointless questions and mostly made pointless observations. To take an example of something which would not be a pointless question, look at his town posts from the original game: + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2014 11:54 JonnyLaw wrote: Koshi's euro cakeman he's asleep i'd guess. What did you specifically dislike about Jayb's post Suki? I see reason to dislike it but I'm interested in your opinion. On February 04 2014 12:14 JonnyLaw wrote: Jayb I do have one question. Why did you pick SS out of everyone who hasn't done much yet? Looking at the list there are a number of other candidates. Why him in particular? On February 05 2014 10:55 JonnyLaw wrote: Jay, what did you think of Suki's case on oats? I understand you like that someone finally put hard content in the game but what's your take on her views? 2) He only made a case on somebody else when forced to by the pressure from several votes, not before. Furthermore, Jonny's case on Koshi really feels to me like he just opened Koshi's filter and tried to spin each post in turn so that it looked scummy, rather than drawing a reasoned conclusion from Koshi's filter as a whole. I don't feel like a townie would seriously believe that case. I'm not 100% certain that Koshi is town myself but that case doesn't convince me one bit. 3) Jonny's position on LoneMeow makes no sense. He claims to have a scumread on LoneMeow: even though he's barely read LM's posts: Words fail me. Throwing Alak and LM on his scumreads along with Koshi was really, really lazy, and reeks of somebody not taking scumhunting seriously. 4) There's also this: If y'all aren't voting for JonnyLaw when I wake up tomorrow morning, you'd better have a damn good reason. 1. He's not interested in finding out people's alignments. True. 2) He only made a case on somebody else when forced to by the pressure from several votes, not before. ehh.. this is debatable. I sensed no hesitation to provide reads. 3) Jonny's position on LoneMeow makes no sense. Jonny's position is LM is scum for lurking and he didn't read LM's posts. This is careless but it's not contradictory, because LM doesn't have a very large filter. 4) There's also this: On February 07 2014 23:36 Aquanim wrote: I feel like this response by Jonny: misinterpreted some of Balla's points and completely ignored the strongest one. If y'all aren't voting for JonnyLaw when I wake up tomorrow morning, you'd better have a damn good reason. The last point I've already addressed. Um. Point 1 can be seen as scummy. The other points not so valid. - - - - Koshi's follow up: On February 08 2014 21:59 Koshi wrote: The biggest thing is still his disappearing act early game, not commenting on anything, and coming back to the thread with a "case" on me that was a misinterpretation of pregame posts. The no case on Balla. No more comments about it. The rush to get out of the thread at the end of the latest case. And then just his filter. I don't know if it is hilarious because I know I am town but really. There is nothing. I like this follow up. -- -- -- -- - - -- And now everyone is putting on their party hats and saying we caught scum. Suki's thoughts Points against Jonny: 1. He has one stupid case against Koshi and a few barely explained reads. 2. He isn't questioning people or trying to find out alignments. 3. He said he would write a case against Balla and didn't follow up. 4. He's barely been in the thread at all, and is almost lurking really. 5. Rushes to get out of the thread at the end of his latest case. Points for Jonny: 1. If you believe that he had a shitfest at work and believe he went out with his girlfriend then his absence from the thread, lack of reading through the thread and lack of depth in his reads can be explained. 2. He posted while he was drunk (which I guess most people will ignore) 3. If you believe he hasn't had much time, then the fact that he isn't questioning people makes sense too. When he is in the thread he uses his time to post his reads and also answer questions briefly. His rushing out of the thread also makes sense. like, if it's a long day and work was shit then maybe he just wants to get in bed. He isn't making excuses. He provides his opinions on people freely even if the reasons themselves are horrible and not researched. He's consistent with his view on Jay which is he doesn't want to read him due to tunneling him badly in the previous game. UNLIKE Jay, I can see townie motivation for the way Jonny plays if I assume that Jonny has been really short on time. YES, not questioning people and having shit cases is definitely against Jonny's regular play style. HOWEVER, I don't think he would just play scum like this if he actually did have time to play. In other words, unlike Jay who I am having a hard time finding townie motivation for, Jonny's actions and activity can be explained. Final Conclusion: I want to see more from Jonny. He is basically like a lurker at this point with bad cases. Maybe I'm giving him too much slack and to be honest his play is bad enough that I still would vote for him as my second pick, but I am NOT confident that he HAS to be scum. Way harder on the defense of Jonny and insisting that he needs more time and his inactivity can be explained because of out-of-game stuff. That didn't matter last game when it was me who was afk for 24 hours. I could have made whatever excuse I want, that doesn't mean it had to be true. Its not fair in my opinion to be trying to push LoneMeow or Slam for lurking and then turn around and say Jonny hasnt posted enough but we'll give him more time. The double-standard and hard defense look really bad to me. Actually page 8 of suki's filter looks terrible to me. Especially that discredit at the end. | ||
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