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On May 06 2011 10:37 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 10:35 pat965 wrote:I'd PM Chill, but it won't do anything and it'd probably just get me banned... still, shit sucks, really wanted to watch IdrA stream  i'm sure there are tons of us in the exact same position. seriously, how do you ban someone for posting in their own fan club thread? recent actions by TL mods make me feel like TL doesn't want to be the center of SC2 anymore, and they'd rather the community move over to /r/starcraft or something.
Excuse me, but your post is just dumb.
1. Just because it's his fan club thread doesn't mean it's the wild west for him in there. There's no zone of no jurisdiction on TL, and just because your fans have made a thread for you doesn't mean you can do in there whatever you want. That would mean that popularity could override mod privileges which isn't rational at all.
2. TL doesn't want to be the center of SC2? What mod actions are you talking about specifically? And since when has strict moderation led to a decay of this site? If anything, it's the moderation that made TL the amazing site that it is. I'd even argue that more moderation could be needed, but the mods are working on that (->purge).
3. Since when is reddit an alternative to TL.net? It's a completely different site and serves other purposes. I don't see TL being replaced anytime soon, again especially not due to moderation.
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I do believe that cruncher was listening to the stream just by the way he reacted at the exact same time idra announced to his stream he was going all-in, but there's no way to know for sure and sadly we will never know. I think it's sad, but also a risk players take when they stream.
Edit: Forgot the "never know" lol
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It seems like ever since the whole EG masters cup controversy there has been so much HEAT these days especially after the last STOG.. This makes e-sports look so unprofessional sigh...
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On May 06 2011 08:37 Ezze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 08:32 1Eris1 wrote:
Honestly just forget about Cruncher guys. No one even talks about him anymore except when he does something like this. Ever since the TSL he's just been losing in every tournament he participates in, just leave it be Except when he made darkforce look like a bronze leaguer, and that other time he outplayed mondragon in one of the most prestigious sc2 tournaments. Other than that I agree.
No offense but both of those players.... are not even near the top of the zerg skill level. Mondragon barely even playes SC2 and Darkforce has not won a notable tournament. Not speculating just purely looking at results from previous Tournaments.
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On May 06 2011 10:37 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 10:35 pat965 wrote:I'd PM Chill, but it won't do anything and it'd probably just get me banned... still, shit sucks, really wanted to watch IdrA stream i'm sure there are tons of us in the exact same position. seriously, how do you ban someone for posting in their own fan club thread? recent actions by TL mods make me feel like TL doesn't want to be the center of SC2 anymore, and they'd rather the community move over to /r/starcraft or something.
Because the thread is on teamliquid. Thats why they can ban someone in "their own" thread. Like it or not Cruncher is a pro player and its always been tl's policy to punish those who attack pro players on a personal level. If Idra straight up said Cruncher was a waste of life, because of some bad blood and some possible cheating then he deserves the ban. Thats not attacking someone's play thats just straight up attacking a person. TL is what it is. They hold their posters to a higher standard of posting and calling someone a waste of life doesn't contribute to anything, or further discussion of Sc or Sc2. They have done a really good job keeping the forums relatively mature, if you want people making immature personal attacks and claiming that someone doesn't deserve to live due to their behavior in a video game, then go play halo or something. And I'm sure the people in charge of TL are thrilled it has become as big as it is, but I doubt they are gonna change themselves to accommodate a bunch of people coming into their forums and telling them how they should run it, and frankly I'd be extremely disappointed if they did. The mods are doing a fine job and honestly watching this thread just makes me embarrassed to be the giant Idra fan boy that I am.
That being said I hate Cruncher, I do think he was stream cheating, and I love the majority of Idra's bm and drama. I don't even have a problem with what he said about Cruncher, but it definitely deserved a ban and if you think its ok to personally attack someone as seriously as Idra did and you are second guessing the mods then you really need to reevaluate the situation and your future on TL.
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On May 06 2011 10:57 BrodiaQ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 10:37 eggs wrote:On May 06 2011 10:35 pat965 wrote:I'd PM Chill, but it won't do anything and it'd probably just get me banned... still, shit sucks, really wanted to watch IdrA stream i'm sure there are tons of us in the exact same position. seriously, how do you ban someone for posting in their own fan club thread? recent actions by TL mods make me feel like TL doesn't want to be the center of SC2 anymore, and they'd rather the community move over to /r/starcraft or something. Because the thread is on teamliquid. Thats why they can ban someone in "their own" thread. Like it or not Cruncher is a pro player and its always been tl's policy to punish those who attack pro players on a personal level. If Idra straight up said Cruncher was a waste of life, because of some bad blood and some possible cheating then he deserves the ban. Thats not attacking someone's play thats just straight up attacking a person. TL is what it is. They hold their posters to a higher standard of posting and calling someone a waste of life doesn't contribute to anything, or further discussion of Sc or Sc2. They have done a really good job keeping the forums relatively mature, if you want people making immature personal attacks and claiming that someone doesn't deserve to live due to their behavior in a video game, then go play halo or something. And I'm sure the people in charge of TL are thrilled it has become as big as it is, but I doubt they are gonna change themselves to accommodate a bunch of people coming into their forums and telling them how they should run it, and frankly I'd be extremely disappointed if they did. The mods are doing a fine job and honestly watching this thread just makes me embarrassed to be the giant Idra fan boy that I am. That being said I hate Cruncher, I do think he was stream cheating, and I love the majority of Idra's bm and drama. I don't even have a problem with what he said about Cruncher, but it definitely deserved a ban and if you think its ok to personally attack someone as seriously as Idra did and you are second guessing the mods then you really need to reevaluate the situation and your future on TL.
They don't care about the forum ban, they care about the stream feature ban. There are two different things.
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On May 06 2011 09:28 Hot_Bid wrote:i'm unlocking this because i think there's conclusive proof that idra and cruncher are best buds and trolling all of us ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6ykTS.jpg)
Hot_Bid... you never disappoint.
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IdrA is very good at SC2. He is a pro. And Protoss is maybe a little easier than zerg, or maybe not. BUT, that doesn't allow IdrA or anyone to insult other people. Manner up.
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On May 06 2011 11:18 BleuDeChanel wrote:
IdrA is very good at SC2. He is a pro. And Protoss is maybe a little easier than zerg, or maybe not. BUT, that doesn't allow IdrA or anyone to insult other people. Manner up.
You made your point wrong. It's he's not allowed to insult other people on TL's forums because it's against their rules. I'm pretty sure he's allowed to insult whoever he wants just not on TL
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On May 06 2011 11:18 BleuDeChanel wrote:
IdrA is very good at SC2. He is a pro. And Protoss is maybe a little easier than zerg, or maybe not. BUT, that doesn't allow IdrA or anyone to insult other people. Manner up.
Someone insulted someone?
Stop the presses.
Seriously, I understand that what he said was unacceptable for TL since it's a high-standard community (which is a good thing), but it's not like he's the goddamn devil. What does "not allowed to insult other people" even mean? Are the niceguy police going to show up at his house and drag him away?
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On May 06 2011 11:03 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 10:57 BrodiaQ wrote:On May 06 2011 10:37 eggs wrote:On May 06 2011 10:35 pat965 wrote:I'd PM Chill, but it won't do anything and it'd probably just get me banned... still, shit sucks, really wanted to watch IdrA stream i'm sure there are tons of us in the exact same position. seriously, how do you ban someone for posting in their own fan club thread? recent actions by TL mods make me feel like TL doesn't want to be the center of SC2 anymore, and they'd rather the community move over to /r/starcraft or something. Because the thread is on teamliquid. Thats why they can ban someone in "their own" thread. Like it or not Cruncher is a pro player and its always been tl's policy to punish those who attack pro players on a personal level. If Idra straight up said Cruncher was a waste of life, because of some bad blood and some possible cheating then he deserves the ban. Thats not attacking someone's play thats just straight up attacking a person. TL is what it is. They hold their posters to a higher standard of posting and calling someone a waste of life doesn't contribute to anything, or further discussion of Sc or Sc2. They have done a really good job keeping the forums relatively mature, if you want people making immature personal attacks and claiming that someone doesn't deserve to live due to their behavior in a video game, then go play halo or something. And I'm sure the people in charge of TL are thrilled it has become as big as it is, but I doubt they are gonna change themselves to accommodate a bunch of people coming into their forums and telling them how they should run it, and frankly I'd be extremely disappointed if they did. The mods are doing a fine job and honestly watching this thread just makes me embarrassed to be the giant Idra fan boy that I am. That being said I hate Cruncher, I do think he was stream cheating, and I love the majority of Idra's bm and drama. I don't even have a problem with what he said about Cruncher, but it definitely deserved a ban and if you think its ok to personally attack someone as seriously as Idra did and you are second guessing the mods then you really need to reevaluate the situation and your future on TL. They don't care about the forum ban, they care about the stream feature ban. There are two different things.
Maybe I'm missing something but why wouldn't they remove his stream from the featured streams during his ban? Doesn't make sense to me to ban someone from teamliquid but still allow their stream to be advertised and essentially be using teamliquid services. Would make the ban almost useless imo.
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Ban for insulting the cheater, cruncher not banned for cheating
Entirely logical.
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On May 06 2011 11:23 BrodiaQ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 11:03 Mailing wrote:On May 06 2011 10:57 BrodiaQ wrote:On May 06 2011 10:37 eggs wrote:On May 06 2011 10:35 pat965 wrote:I'd PM Chill, but it won't do anything and it'd probably just get me banned... still, shit sucks, really wanted to watch IdrA stream i'm sure there are tons of us in the exact same position. seriously, how do you ban someone for posting in their own fan club thread? recent actions by TL mods make me feel like TL doesn't want to be the center of SC2 anymore, and they'd rather the community move over to /r/starcraft or something. Because the thread is on teamliquid. Thats why they can ban someone in "their own" thread. Like it or not Cruncher is a pro player and its always been tl's policy to punish those who attack pro players on a personal level. If Idra straight up said Cruncher was a waste of life, because of some bad blood and some possible cheating then he deserves the ban. Thats not attacking someone's play thats just straight up attacking a person. TL is what it is. They hold their posters to a higher standard of posting and calling someone a waste of life doesn't contribute to anything, or further discussion of Sc or Sc2. They have done a really good job keeping the forums relatively mature, if you want people making immature personal attacks and claiming that someone doesn't deserve to live due to their behavior in a video game, then go play halo or something. And I'm sure the people in charge of TL are thrilled it has become as big as it is, but I doubt they are gonna change themselves to accommodate a bunch of people coming into their forums and telling them how they should run it, and frankly I'd be extremely disappointed if they did. The mods are doing a fine job and honestly watching this thread just makes me embarrassed to be the giant Idra fan boy that I am. That being said I hate Cruncher, I do think he was stream cheating, and I love the majority of Idra's bm and drama. I don't even have a problem with what he said about Cruncher, but it definitely deserved a ban and if you think its ok to personally attack someone as seriously as Idra did and you are second guessing the mods then you really need to reevaluate the situation and your future on TL. They don't care about the forum ban, they care about the stream feature ban. There are two different things. Maybe I'm missing something but why wouldn't they remove his stream from the featured streams during his ban? Doesn't make sense to me to ban someone from teamliquid but still allow their stream to be advertised and essentially be using teamliquid services. Would make the ban almost useless imo.
Even if we wanted to keep Idra's stream on TL we can't, he asked us to remove it when he's banned from TL. We could just do whatever and set it online automatically but we respected his request.
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So was IdrA banned for accusing Cruncher of cheating, or saying that he's a waste of life?
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On May 06 2011 11:34 Dingotrold wrote:
So was IdrA banned for accusing Cruncher of cheating, or saying that he's a waste of life?
Saying he's a waste of life. Once a cheater, always a cheater. I'm honestly surprised Cruncher and the Complexity Organization is taking this lightly.
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They should close the SOTG thread because IdrA says some pretty heinous things about other people in that podcast...
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On May 06 2011 10:56 Moonling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 08:37 Ezze wrote:On May 06 2011 08:32 1Eris1 wrote:
Honestly just forget about Cruncher guys. No one even talks about him anymore except when he does something like this. Ever since the TSL he's just been losing in every tournament he participates in, just leave it be Except when he made darkforce look like a bronze leaguer, and that other time he outplayed mondragon in one of the most prestigious sc2 tournaments. Other than that I agree. No offense but both of those players.... are not even near the top of the zerg skill level. Mondragon barely even playes SC2 and Darkforce has not won a notable tournament. Not speculating just purely looking at results from previous Tournaments.
Why would I take offense to that? You aren't even making a good point. Both of those players are quite good.
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On May 06 2011 11:28 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 11:23 BrodiaQ wrote:On May 06 2011 11:03 Mailing wrote:On May 06 2011 10:57 BrodiaQ wrote:On May 06 2011 10:37 eggs wrote:On May 06 2011 10:35 pat965 wrote:I'd PM Chill, but it won't do anything and it'd probably just get me banned... still, shit sucks, really wanted to watch IdrA stream i'm sure there are tons of us in the exact same position. seriously, how do you ban someone for posting in their own fan club thread? recent actions by TL mods make me feel like TL doesn't want to be the center of SC2 anymore, and they'd rather the community move over to /r/starcraft or something. Because the thread is on teamliquid. Thats why they can ban someone in "their own" thread. Like it or not Cruncher is a pro player and its always been tl's policy to punish those who attack pro players on a personal level. If Idra straight up said Cruncher was a waste of life, because of some bad blood and some possible cheating then he deserves the ban. Thats not attacking someone's play thats just straight up attacking a person. TL is what it is. They hold their posters to a higher standard of posting and calling someone a waste of life doesn't contribute to anything, or further discussion of Sc or Sc2. They have done a really good job keeping the forums relatively mature, if you want people making immature personal attacks and claiming that someone doesn't deserve to live due to their behavior in a video game, then go play halo or something. And I'm sure the people in charge of TL are thrilled it has become as big as it is, but I doubt they are gonna change themselves to accommodate a bunch of people coming into their forums and telling them how they should run it, and frankly I'd be extremely disappointed if they did. The mods are doing a fine job and honestly watching this thread just makes me embarrassed to be the giant Idra fan boy that I am. That being said I hate Cruncher, I do think he was stream cheating, and I love the majority of Idra's bm and drama. I don't even have a problem with what he said about Cruncher, but it definitely deserved a ban and if you think its ok to personally attack someone as seriously as Idra did and you are second guessing the mods then you really need to reevaluate the situation and your future on TL. They don't care about the forum ban, they care about the stream feature ban. There are two different things. Maybe I'm missing something but why wouldn't they remove his stream from the featured streams during his ban? Doesn't make sense to me to ban someone from teamliquid but still allow their stream to be advertised and essentially be using teamliquid services. Would make the ban almost useless imo. Even if we wanted to keep Idra's stream on TL we can't, he asked us to remove it when he's banned from TL. We could just do whatever and set it online automatically but we respected his request.
would it be possible for you to disclose the reason he requested for his stream not to be displayed on TL during his ban?
also can you guys take the IdrA ban discussion to the Automated Ban List X_X I swear, it is like you guys never seen him banned before. You should be thanking the mods that he isn't permed because he says some fucking ridiculous things compared to other users.
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On May 06 2011 11:37 Dingotrold wrote:
They should close the SOTG thread because IdrA says some pretty heinous things about other people in that podcast...
Yeah he said some really mean things so we should probably censor it.
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On May 06 2011 11:39 Whole wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 11:28 Hot_Bid wrote:On May 06 2011 11:23 BrodiaQ wrote:On May 06 2011 11:03 Mailing wrote:On May 06 2011 10:57 BrodiaQ wrote:On May 06 2011 10:37 eggs wrote:On May 06 2011 10:35 pat965 wrote:I'd PM Chill, but it won't do anything and it'd probably just get me banned... still, shit sucks, really wanted to watch IdrA stream i'm sure there are tons of us in the exact same position. seriously, how do you ban someone for posting in their own fan club thread? recent actions by TL mods make me feel like TL doesn't want to be the center of SC2 anymore, and they'd rather the community move over to /r/starcraft or something. Because the thread is on teamliquid. Thats why they can ban someone in "their own" thread. Like it or not Cruncher is a pro player and its always been tl's policy to punish those who attack pro players on a personal level. If Idra straight up said Cruncher was a waste of life, because of some bad blood and some possible cheating then he deserves the ban. Thats not attacking someone's play thats just straight up attacking a person. TL is what it is. They hold their posters to a higher standard of posting and calling someone a waste of life doesn't contribute to anything, or further discussion of Sc or Sc2. They have done a really good job keeping the forums relatively mature, if you want people making immature personal attacks and claiming that someone doesn't deserve to live due to their behavior in a video game, then go play halo or something. And I'm sure the people in charge of TL are thrilled it has become as big as it is, but I doubt they are gonna change themselves to accommodate a bunch of people coming into their forums and telling them how they should run it, and frankly I'd be extremely disappointed if they did. The mods are doing a fine job and honestly watching this thread just makes me embarrassed to be the giant Idra fan boy that I am. That being said I hate Cruncher, I do think he was stream cheating, and I love the majority of Idra's bm and drama. I don't even have a problem with what he said about Cruncher, but it definitely deserved a ban and if you think its ok to personally attack someone as seriously as Idra did and you are second guessing the mods then you really need to reevaluate the situation and your future on TL. They don't care about the forum ban, they care about the stream feature ban. There are two different things. Maybe I'm missing something but why wouldn't they remove his stream from the featured streams during his ban? Doesn't make sense to me to ban someone from teamliquid but still allow their stream to be advertised and essentially be using teamliquid services. Would make the ban almost useless imo. Even if we wanted to keep Idra's stream on TL we can't, he asked us to remove it when he's banned from TL. We could just do whatever and set it online automatically but we respected his request. would it be possible for you to disclose the reason he requested for his stream not to be displayed on TL during his ban? also can you guys take the IdrA ban discussion to the Automated Ban List X_X I swear, it is like you guys never seen him banned before. You should be thanking the mods that he isn't permed because he says some fucking ridiculous things compared to other users.
I'd like that as well, if Idra's okay with it.
Is everyone complaining about the ban new? I feel like there's an influx of people complaining, when most of the fanclub didn't even blink during the last 30 day ban.
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