Anyways I think hopeless is scum.
Biggest tip off was how he didn't care at all about the lynch, especially given that I called him out for it, and his response:
On January 15 2013 07:33 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2013 07:31 slOosh wrote:On January 15 2013 07:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 15 2013 07:27 slOosh wrote:On January 15 2013 07:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 15 2013 07:24 MrZentor wrote:
Hey WBG, you talked about nobody being worthy enough to be defended by you, but you've been defending Prom pretty hard all game.
Can you explain? Examples please. I disagree with your statement. Yo, the guy you are leaning town on is set to be lynched. What are you doing? Im poking Zentor for misrepresenting wbg's filter. Yea ... because that's the most important thing before one of your town reads is gonna get lynched. If I can show him to be scummier than Prom, then yes, that would be rather useful. ZENTOR, HOP TO IT
Absolutely nothing showed an effort to defend Prom or push someone else harder. He just didn't care about the lynch. Other stuff in his filter gives off wanting to be seen as useful / doing stuff.
On January 14 2013 01:03 Hopeless1der wrote:Just woke up, addressing my grush read before I catch up on the rest of the thread: Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 10:29 grush57 wrote:On January 13 2013 10:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
Man, grush is looking useful dafuq is this? Also, still scum to me.
Jay explain the Random push please
Okay, I am scum because I am useful, or I am scum because of meta. But the only time I was scum was when I lurked. ? And Jay put in his post so we have something to talk about. Hopeless is scum yo. ##Vote: Hopeless1der First, I'm no longer convinced of my scumread, but here's my explanation for my reasoning. That thing I recalled from memory was austinmcc's breakdown of town-grush vs scum-grush in PTP3 (spoilered for length): + Show Spoiler +On August 30 2012 05:05 austinmcc wrote:A Tale of Two Grushes Grush - LV Day 1 involves a mayor/pardoner vote. Grush is pretty active during that day. Some one liners, some longer posts, but actual thoughts. See? Look at that. Like a page of filter off the bat, with some real stances. Grush open being poked at by Toad, over a potential scumslip: Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 09:27 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 09:22 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 09:17 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 09:11 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 09:06 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 09:02 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:58 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:57 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:55 grush57 wrote:[quote] YES DO SO NOW!You're letting the mafia win.  For all we know all 5 mafia could be in those 8. ;( typo or did you post 5 because you're one of them and have 5 buddies? The op tells me it's 6 mafias. Sorry, last game I played was 5 mafia. And before you guys get on my case for an OMGUS you scum slipped, I said all 5, not 5 others. yeah but if you're mafia that would be a likely mistake to make and I don't think a townie would post something like that without checking the OP lol. Not sure what to make of it because people said you're anti-town no matter of alignment and I can see what they were referring to if you really are town :D By saying a typo it refers to me being anti-town? it refers to you being weird. Also about the ET matter: I still disagree with people voting him, even if he's town. Yeah I think he's somewhat likely to flip mafia but he's not a vet in my book and I don't think he should get into the mayoral position for several reasons, even if he is town: The mayor thing is pretty much a one-time use thing. You want someone to use that lynch in a good way and not some random guy who agrees that he's not good d1. The mayor will be shot early on UNLESS he is hurting town. So again, it's pretty much a one-time-only thing because if you're voting the right guys you'll get shot. If you're voting the wrong guys with 2 votes instead of just 1 mafia might want to keep you alive. I don't want that either because that's bad for town as well. So I really think we should vote a vet into the office. Yes you usually vote a vet to protect them, but that doesn't mean that we should vote some guy into the office just because there's no BGs. I find that highly suspicious. Vets are vets and they're going to be shot either way, it's not like not electing them is going to protect them from danger. So you want a good scumhunting vet to get shot? nah I want a good scumhuntig vet to take a mafia down with him before being shot either way. Yeah but everyone is lurking so its going to be a guessing game at this point. So the more important issue right now is to.... POST everyone! Look at this conversation with Toad. Toad initially points out an inconsistency in the number of scum, says Grush might be scum because he counted only 5 scum in a game that had 6 (indicating he might have 5 buddies). Grush gives actual responses, discusses it just being a typo. Doesn't just discuss himself either, but notes the lurkers, has counted posts, and says where he thinks mafia might be hiding. Grush will occasionally call some folks scummy - + Show Spoiler +On May 30 2012 11:19 grush57 wrote:
I nominate Kenpachi for the lynch.
He is playing his scum meta. Last game, he was inactive and he turned out to be scum. He's putting in less effort than Sinesis who got lynched. All of his posts are one liner's except for one which he makes a list, which is something a scum usually does(I learned that from a real vet.)
I ACCUSE YOU, KENPIKACHU! On May 30 2012 11:48 grush57 wrote:
I'm being mean Kenpachi, you're a pretty cool dude, I'm sorry :"(.
There have been rumors, starting in LIV.
That I have, mystical powers.
They rarely unleash.
This, is a special case.
(LOL YEAH I JUST MADE A LIST WHEN I SAID MAKING LISTS ARE SCUMMY DEAL WITH IT)
You would except him to pick 1-2 vets 2-3 normals and 2-3 noobs right
1.(The smart, cunning godfather) Mr.Wiggles(1 vet down) He posts long, too long to read. He knows better than to lynch someone with no information. I also heard he is pretty good at mafia. If you look at his posts, only a page and there is a lot of indecisiveness in his posts.
2.(The undeserving vet)Mattchew(MAKE IT 1.5) His trap, was actually a trap to get a townie to question him and to get an easy peasy day2 town lynch. He was also lurking and he is a vet common bro you are better.
3.(The bigshot normal)StrongandBig(Pewpew 1)Im running for mayor, jk, no seriously. Et, no gf Mr.Wiggles.Buss my buddy gambit.
4.(Deh studious lurker)Gambitxc32(1(forduhnubs)) I can imagine the qt now(YO GAMBIT MY MAN U GONNA LURK CUZ ALL DEEZ NUBZ ARE LURKING LOL, THO WHEN THEY FIGURE THAT ME, WIGGZ, IS GF U GOTTA VOTE ET SO WE DON'T LOOK CONNECTED)## Studious VOTE: agree. Oh and yeah he is a lurker and was scared of wbg getting on his case and went for him. He obviously is paying attention to game responding to jaj(?) post asking him about stuff or w/e lol.
5.(idk actually, lets say normal)Zealos(yeah were about quick to lynch someone who is town(LOL THEY DONT KNWO THAT I KNOW WHO IS TOWN) aww yeah towncred(like they were actually gonna lynch toad lol such easy cred town fools) Better lurk it up you know, be scummy and put no effort LOL wtf zealos.
6.papapanda or... Manason. When Kenpachi(♥) mentioned him I was like, holy shit these town nubs let another scum hide, brbbbb gotta check dem filter and this took a long time to post and I saw that you put starsenses. Now, I think you might say that or w\e because u think I'll mislead them, but no i am a wizard. Basically, he was doing a bunch of a lil commenting on people not on my starsense list saying bs, less than a page of filter, however he commented on my starsenses so I love him and probly not mafia. Manason- MMK CHECKED HIS FILTER 3RD PAGE-DONT LYNCH GRUSH POLICY LYNCHES ARE BAD. Okay, someone in your QT played LIV and knew how I screwed up town and told everyone to not lynch me so I'd screw up the game. All the people who wanted me dead early game was town(Sinesis and Bh) Noob mistake of saying(ooh protect my gf Mr. Wiggles) more 1 liners blah blah blah too long, OMG YOU GUYS ARE ON MY BUDDY LETS BRING UP KITAMAN27. No, he made the same mistake as me in LIV, randomly voted someone. My starsense powers sais he is town.
Okay so I did all this in TL (LOL I KNOW) and the thread has probably progressed alot as this took like 20-30 mins to write. Please note I am unsure about the 6th mafia. Oh, and a lot of the bad grammar was on purpose. But he won't really back those accusations up - + Show Spoiler +On May 30 2012 12:04 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 12:00 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 30 2012 11:48 grush57 wrote:
I'm being mean Kenpachi, you're a pretty cool dude, I'm sorry :"(.
There have been rumors, starting in LIV.
That I have, mystical powers.
They rarely unleash.
This, is a special case.
(LOL YEAH I JUST MADE A LIST WHEN I SAID MAKING LISTS ARE SCUMMY DEAL WITH IT)
You would except him to pick 1-2 vets 2-3 normals and 2-3 noobs right
1.(The smart, cunning godfather) Mr.Wiggles(1 vet down) He posts long, too long to read. He knows better than to lynch someone with no information. I also heard he is pretty good at mafia. If you look at his posts, only a page and there is a lot of indecisiveness in his posts.
2.(The undeserving vet)Mattchew(MAKE IT 1.5) His trap, was actually a trap to get a townie to question him and to get an easy peasy day2 town lynch. He was also lurking and he is a vet common bro you are better.
3.(The bigshot normal)StrongandBig(Pewpew 1)Im running for mayor, jk, no seriously. Et, no gf Mr.Wiggles.Buss my buddy gambit.
4.(Deh studious lurker)Gambitxc32(1(forduhnubs)) I can imagine the qt now(YO GAMBIT MY MAN U GONNA LURK CUZ ALL DEEZ NUBZ ARE LURKING LOL, THO WHEN THEY FIGURE THAT ME, WIGGZ, IS GF U GOTTA VOTE ET SO WE DON'T LOOK CONNECTED)## Studious VOTE: agree. Oh and yeah he is a lurker and was scared of wbg getting on his case and went for him. He obviously is paying attention to game responding to jaj(?) post asking him about stuff or w/e lol.
5.(idk actually, lets say normal)Zealos(yeah were about quick to lynch someone who is town(LOL THEY DONT KNWO THAT I KNOW WHO IS TOWN) aww yeah towncred(like they were actually gonna lynch toad lol such easy cred town fools) Better lurk it up you know, be scummy and put no effort LOL wtf zealos.
6.papapanda or... Manason. When Kenpachi(♥) mentioned him I was like, holy shit these town nubs let another scum hide, brbbbb gotta check dem filter and this took a long time to post and I saw that you put starsenses. Now, I think you might say that or w\e because u think I'll mislead them, but no i am a wizard. Basically, he was doing a bunch of a lil commenting on people not on my starsense list saying bs, less than a page of filter, however he commented on my starsenses so I love him and probly not mafia. Manason- MMK CHECKED HIS FILTER 3RD PAGE-DONT LYNCH GRUSH POLICY LYNCHES ARE BAD. Okay, someone in your QT played LIV and knew how I screwed up town and told everyone to not lynch me so I'd screw up the game. All the people who wanted me dead early game was town(Sinesis and Bh) Noob mistake of saying(ooh protect my gf Mr. Wiggles) more 1 liners blah blah blah too long, OMG YOU GUYS ARE ON MY BUDDY LETS BRING UP KITAMAN27. No, he made the same mistake as me in LIV, randomly voted someone. My starsense powers sais he is town.
Okay so I did all this in TL (LOL I KNOW) and the thread has probably progressed alot as this took like 20-30 mins to write. Please note I am unsure about the 6th mafia. Oh, and a lot of the bad grammar was on purpose. I agree with others opinions on Wiggles in that his lynch wasn't the best choice but calling someone scum for having posts that are too long is ridiculous. Having a filter a page long isn't too bad as long as the posts have content as Wiggles seem to. Plus wiggles still has more posts than most people anyways. He's not really indecisive either, he had two ideas on who to lynch for day one and so far day 2 has barely started. Sigh majuju, you were lurking too and now that I called out your buddy you finally unlurked. LOL SERIOUSLY TOWN NUBS STAR TPOSTING asdaSDFASDFA. Okay, I will bring up the posts. Actually just read them too much work lol. On June 02 2012 04:33 grush57 wrote:Why don't you ask the scum that question? But really, its obvious who is town and who is scummy on that list of who voted. On the whole, including pregame banter and postgame, a little over 4 pages, and he died N2.
Grush - LVI Grush's D1 - Here! Game starts somewhere in the middle. Way less contribution. When he does post, it's agreeing with someone, or little one liners, followed by just a vote on a wagon target. When Grush gets poked, he responds with one-liners - + Show Spoiler +On July 05 2012 02:15 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 00:26 Hyaach wrote:
A town grush in LV wasnt afraid to defend towns when he need to nor was he reluctant to share his read. His interaction in the thread was far more active too.
His post this game all are filler-level post with 0 content. Well, it's good to be curious. On July 05 2012 10:17 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 10:13 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Actually judging by the swap and the players on each list I think both were town...hmm.
We should definitely kill grush at least though. We need to address these people who are skating by without getting attention. Allowing them to live while townies die because we seek active scum is a plan for losing. U WANA TUSSLE On July 05 2012 10:33 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 10:22 Twelve wrote:
Wow Grush your filter is really damning... What exactly have you been doing to help town so far? Likewise, chap. On July 07 2012 06:58 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 06:57 Vivax wrote:
I asked you for too much with the read on grush, it's pretty much impossible, tell me about hyaach instead please. Hiss. On July 12 2012 02:15 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 00:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Same, grush is the scums, he's got my vote tomorrow. STILL JUST A RAT IN THE CAAAAAAAAAGE Plenty of others but that's enough Scumgrush makes "cases," but they're just kind of weak accusations, or nonsense - + Show Spoiler +On July 04 2012 03:46 grush57 wrote:
Grush was sitting in the tent. Vivax was walking in with a angry crowd behind him ridiculing him about his bad performance. His excuses were very bad, said the crowd, and that HIS LOGIC FAILS. Grush agreed.
##Vote: Vivax On July 07 2012 07:35 grush57 wrote:
T_T definitely between Twelve and BKE though. Kurumi's post does really point out the flaws of BKE, and when pressure came off he was all beepin up the beep, ya know. BUT u may b like, GURSHDEVICE U DON'T HELP AT ALL. True, homeieieieieieieiieieeieieieieieiei, but it doesn't change the fact.
aLZo, 11, __, 13 seems like a noobie townie.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
##Vote:BKE On July 13 2012 01:38 grush57 wrote:
I want to lynch Majuju. all dat lurking and then when called out he is getting all freaky(in the wrong way mmkay)
##Vote: MajuGarzett On the whole, including pregame banter and postgame, a not quite 4 full pages of filter. Lived until endgame, which was the end of D4.
So, based only on two games and nothing else, what patterns do we see in Grush's play? - Town grush lived half as long as scum grush, but posted as much or more. Towngrush more posty.
- Town grush makes real accusations sometimes, although he may not back them up with anything when asked.
- Town grush is more likely to respond to being called scum, or to people questioning him, with actual discussion.
PokeGrushPokeGrush's filter is a decent bit over 4 pages, after 3 full cycles (And he spent part of it banned) He starts off responding to questions - + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 09:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 08:59 grush57 wrote:
Come on, how are you helping at all right now?
You're wasting time with a useless player.
Anyways I've proven that I'm town. How have you done that? Also, in keeping with the spirit of the thread, spam spam spam On August 20 2012 09:02 grush57 wrote:See look at wiggles, he asks me a legit question. Plus, he continues my tradition  To answer the question, breadcrumb, and meta. Plus I'm town. Now, we must find scum. I must stop posting so scum can start posting and then we catch them. Cool trick. On August 22 2012 11:39 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 11:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 22 2012 10:55 grush57 wrote:
Okay so, I get banned, then People are all up in Drazerk's face because he is telling everybody to kill him and being stupid with that attitude. Still, I think he is town. Then the town switched to Dirkzor, I don't think he is scum either, he is helping out and responding. Hopeless1dr ninja votes, he is scum. People calling out Kurumi for being scummy, I agree. Toad(jk, lol idk) shoots VE, people get on VE's chain for policy lynching. NO ONE IS UP IN JINGLE'S GRILL ABOUT HIM WANTING TO POLICY LYNCH ME:O. Also I think Hiropro? Heist? made a post calling out Jingle which is good cuz he is scum. Then it's like Zephirrid(null on him, he has been getting scummier the longer the game has been going so far) and imallison(who I thought was a noob townie) and dirkzor(I think he is town aswell). End up lynching a townie and thats about where we were at.
So my scum list is:
JingleHell(SCUMSCUMSCUM)
Hopeless1dr(ninja vote, scum)
Maybe BioSC(I don't even know why but he is scum) How is dirk helping? I would like a detailed response on that. I will agree that hopeless is likely scum at this point though. Well I mean he's posting cases and defending himself and contributing. I don't know why he was the closest to being lynched. On August 24 2012 02:28 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:25 Kurumi wrote:On August 24 2012 02:21 grush57 wrote:
Okay :'(
Wiggles you are still ON THE LIST
Besides, biosc is scum.
##Unvote
##Vote: Biosc Why? Well, half his posts are before the game, and he just is basically lurking and not helping. In scum teams in my experience, you have 2-3 active in the thread, and 1-2 basically lurking Toad and chezinu died, I feel like there is only one major player in the thread that is scum atm. Also dirk may be scum aswell, before his posts were useless and now he just lurks. He gives some reads, with...some reasoning - + Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 10:55 grush57 wrote:
Okay so, I get banned, then People are all up in Drazerk's face because he is telling everybody to kill him and being stupid with that attitude. Still, I think he is town. Then the town switched to Dirkzor, I don't think he is scum either, he is helping out and responding. Hopeless1dr ninja votes, he is scum. People calling out Kurumi for being scummy, I agree. Toad(jk, lol idk) shoots VE, people get on VE's chain for policy lynching. NO ONE IS UP IN JINGLE'S GRILL ABOUT HIM WANTING TO POLICY LYNCH ME:O. Also I think Hiropro? Heist? made a post calling out Jingle which is good cuz he is scum. Then it's like Zephirrid(null on him, he has been getting scummier the longer the game has been going so far) and imallison(who I thought was a noob townie) and dirkzor(I think he is town aswell). End up lynching a townie and thats about where we were at.
So my scum list is:
JingleHell(SCUMSCUMSCUM)
Hopeless1dr(ninja vote, scum)
Maybe BioSC(I don't even know why but he is scum) He engages in minor discussion - + Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 11:03 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 11:00 JingleHell wrote:On August 22 2012 10:57 grush57 wrote:On August 22 2012 10:56 JingleHell wrote:
Sorry my activity has been shit. My guts have been acting up, which has had me not interested in thinking much. Occupational hazard of crohn's.
Anyways, I'm not comfortable with the people looking at VE because he's playing differently. He took a LOT of crap in Mad Men for his play, some based on meta. If a lot of people want him to play differently, and he's tired of being looked at the way he is, he might just try to play differently.
I still like the idea of lynching Grush in absence of real reads, but maybe that's just a combination of me being vindictive and him being Grush. If we have a better target, obviously that would nullify it anyways. YOU DONT ANSWER FOR VE ACTIONS, VE DOES. You're trying to answer for my actions, you're saying it's scummy to want to policy lynch a useless poster (you), when I actually just don't want to read your posts. This game is all about reading intentions. Sometimes that leads to a defense. Tough luck. lol. no. You're assuming he's playing differently because he got butthurt. I'm saying that your scum. Different things On August 25 2012 06:49 grush57 wrote:
Jingle, you don't answer to any of the cases against you, you keep bandwagoning on the townies!!!!!!!!!!!
You call me scum because I'm actually playing this time?!?!?!?1?!!??!?1?1?1!/1?1?1!?1?1
However when commenting on VE's play you said he wanted to play differenty and give him the benefit brohan.
Which is me questioning VE being town right now.
But all the vets aren't trying, the one who did was BC and he died, and Wiggles is playing the EXACT same way he did as scum before. When I played with WBG before and he was town he was very active, and Kenpachi could be town or scum because he is Kenpachi.
**I doctored this quote because it was split into two posts** I could keep pulling more stuff from this game, but now I want to do something else. So instead, you should read this. You should come to your own conclusions. But if you think Grush is scum, you need some decent reasoning. Because it looks to me like he's playing much more like he did in LV than in LVI. It looks to me like there are some actual helpful posts buried in the trolling. D2 I didn't think hopeless1der was scum, but I didn't fight it hard enough, had just entered the game. D3 I didn't think VE was scum, and I should have swapped my vote from Wiggles to misder in order to try and get a switch at the end. D4 I don't think Grush is scum, and it's time to actually stand up and fight his lynch, early. I do not want scum having control of this one. The jist of what was relevant to me was that scum-grush is rather flippant when accused, just like his response to Thrawn this game. In addition, grush' towncrumb is 100% accurate afaik, so I was kind of baiting for that as well. He's completely self-aware of this fact, but its probably no longer useful because I'm using it to explicitly coerce him now. Since I reinforced my scumread without actually doing anything, he OMGUSed me with the reasoning that I didn't have a legitimate reason for voting him (as quoted above). Grush' activity has little to no bearing on his scumminess to me because in my experience he trolls regardless of alignment. His relative 'usefulness' is different and worth noting but is not alignment indicative. His questions and concern for the game (which is still apparent in troll-mode) are what distinguishes grush from his town/scum selves. What I 'expected' from town-grush was closer to his response to me. His response to Thrawn was dismissive and was really the only reason I had to go after him in the first place. When I accused him, he wanted to know why I thought he was scum, seemed to want to discuss it. He's also spent time reading the thread, or at least it seems that way from his filter. ##Unvote: grush57
Like, was this really necessary? He wasn't in danger of being lynched, and he said in the post before that he might "be talking out of my ass". The meticulous follow up certainly does not match up with his previous uncertainty.
Hapa's case covers the rest.
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