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On May 08 2012 03:24 DoYouHas wrote:
We have a tight race between 2(3) candidates and less than 3 hours left in the day. Where has everybody gone?
I am here, will re-go through Nova and Blubbs cases. Is there any specific reason why you would think Blubb is worth lynching over Nova?
Also this:
The following people are in danger of getting modkilled: ghost_403, johnnywup, PaqMan*, grush57
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I agree with DYH and I'll be voting blubb. I had some of the same thoughts but he put it into words.
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If the absent players cast their votes on me i will switch to Nova_Terra.
Mostly to save my sweet blu ass.
Partly because his primary goal so far has been to repeatedly tell us that he has reads that he doesn't want to share and he does not have enough time to write up or explain them. During the past 48 hours he has actively avoided saying anything relevant. That he came into the thread and voted for kenpachi demonstrates that he is not approaching the thread in the same way that the rest of us are. This leads me to believe he is either genuinely busy or mafia. This uncertainty is why i would rather we lynch Blubbdavid who i have far fewer doubts about.
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On May 08 2012 03:37 Mementoss wrote:
I am here, will re-go through Nova and Blubbs cases. Is there any specific reason why you would think Blubb is worth lynching over Nova?
Personally, I feel my case against blubb is stronger than those I have read against Nova (not that those cases are wrong) and so a blubb lynch is more likely to be a scum lynch. I think both are scummy.
I suppose it makes sense to lynch blubb first because Nova has stated that he is about to have much more time to commit to the game. I'm willing to see what comes of that. I would need to reread all the hubub surrounding Nova to give you more concrete reasons, and I'm just not up to that before this deadline (tired).
Layabout - Votes stand even at 5-5 on Nova and blubb. If you genuinely think blubb is the better lynch like I do then stick with it. We need to see how the next hour to hour 1/2 play out before we compromise in order to get a lynch.
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Also, it would be very strange for all those who haven't voted yet to drop them on layabout with all of the thread momentum currently behind a blubb or nova lynch.
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Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with blubb over nova, nova seems more like a bad town than scum much more than blubb.(Did that make sense?) Plus, blubb has a good case against him, the only good case so far in the whole game yet.
##vote: Blubbdavid
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United Kingdom36160 Posts
On May 08 2012 04:04 grush57 wrote:
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with blubb over nova, nova seems more like a bad town than scum much more than blubb.(Did that make sense?) Plus, blubb has a good case against him, the only good case so far in the whole game yet.
##vote: Blubbdavid
Hmm, my reads had them the other way round in that regard
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On May 08 2012 04:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 04:04 grush57 wrote:
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with blubb over nova, nova seems more like a bad town than scum much more than blubb.(Did that make sense?) Plus, blubb has a good case against him, the only good case so far in the whole game yet.
##vote: Blubbdavid Hmm, my reads had them the other way round in that regard
my reads side with grush
(i speak for me and dirk)
-mattchew
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On May 08 2012 04:15 SomethingAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 04:13 marvellosity wrote:On May 08 2012 04:04 grush57 wrote:
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with blubb over nova, nova seems more like a bad town than scum much more than blubb.(Did that make sense?) Plus, blubb has a good case against him, the only good case so far in the whole game yet.
##vote: Blubbdavid Hmm, my reads had them the other way round in that regard my reads side with grush (i speak for me and dirk) -mattchew
What he said
//Dirk
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layabout is scum, SA is town
I will not move my vote from layabout
I make often not much sense, yes, but have you ever considered that it is because of information asymmetry, meaning that I don't have any information on anything, while scum can play with me like I was a bouncy ball?
I don't have time to debunk your read, DoYouHas, nor do I want to.
I want to show you that I am a victim of my horrble town play and from some mean bullying. While you guys were busy about pushing Nova (don't care much about him, I don't like mementoss's (nemesis of N_T) posting not very much either), I was struggling with layabout and SA. For some reason they subconsciously wanted to push me. Look at this one:
On May 03 2012 07:09 SomethingAwesome wrote:
blubbdavid scum... all townies are blue its blue vs red.
##vote blubbdavid
-mattchew
That was 29 minutes into the game. He jumped at me without explanation and shit.
But this can happen to anyone, yes.
So game continues I am pushing against layabout, then there comes the mind reading affair:
I am talking about how some actions of layabout make him less scummy. And what does SA do, who has buddied up with layabout? Accuses me of being scum because I seem to know too much. Instead of being relieved that I, blubbdavid, one of the few who were pushing his buddy layabout, he accuses me of being scum instead. Come, no one accuses someone as scum when said scum is reconsidering his tunneling. Except when you are a bad townie (SA) who is reading too much into the wrong person and too little into the right one.
But why do I think that SA is town? Because that guy is seriously convinced that I am scum. If he was scum, he would be pushing much more discreet, and that's where we land at layabout, who is abusing his naive townbuddy in pushing me hard.
layabout:
On May 03 2012 08:04 layabout wrote:
I just want to warn all of the "area 53" guys that policy lynching is no better an option in this game than it ever was before. I know that a few of you are currently feeling like we should place all lurkers and confusing posters into the fire. But the majority of those players will be town and lynching into them is likely to kill (admittedly useless) townies.
We are going to be polite in this game.
We are going to vote at appropriate times.
We are going to act in town's interest's using methods that are simple and explainable.
And we are going to destroy red.
On May 07 2012 05:41 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 04:55 Eiii wrote:On May 07 2012 04:40 layabout wrote:So anyway, I'm going to vote for layabout. All the other accusations are good, but one thing most people are missing is that if we had lynched BM and the modkills hadn't happened, we'd be completely lost right now. Lynching a lurker who had done almost literally nothing because he 'might hurt town' gives us zero information. We'd all still be running around in the chaos of day one on day two if kat/206 hadn't fucked up. Between that and the kat defense, I'm throwing my vote on him. If lay flips red then marvel is worth looking at just because of being so associated with both layabout and kat day one. Eiii, are you saying that we shouldn't lynch players that lurk because we gain very little information? You are aware of the fact that in the last 24 hours there have been about 100 posts from the 18 players still alive? And that half of the thread are lurking? And that both of the scum players that flipped were lurkers? zzzzz We should *kill* the lurkers by some means. We have ways of killing that isn't a lynch! Ideally we'd shoot all the lurkers and lynch people who took scummy positions [1]. Maximum information (which is a good thing, no matter how you spin it)! That's not always possible, though-- but to lynch a lurker day one when we had a handful of lynch candidates actually puts the town behind. Really, ask yourself. If BM had been the only death day one, where would we be right now? [2]On May 07 2012 04:40 layabout wrote:
You are reiterating a weak point ("kat defence") and saying that you should lynch me for the sake of "information". The link between myself and marvellosity that you are trying to create is weak. You fail to say what to do when i flip town. I cannot think of a worse reason to vote for me. What? No, I don't think you should be lynched for information at all [3]. You should be lynched for pushing BM day one, which accomplished nothing [4], together with your questionable defense of kat when it wasn't clear that he'd be modkilled, [5] like several other people have pointed out before me. The part about marvel isn't an accusation, just an observation that'll come into play if you flip red. [6]Since you're so interested in what my plan is if you flip green: I'll probably say 'darn' and apologize for voting for the wrong person. And you'll be dead. I'm willing to take that chance, though! You are full of crap[1]ways like what exactly? relying on the calimed vig in the hopes that we have an engineer and they picked refill ammo and life over doctor? relying on having a blu demoman that has placed bombs on the players we want, and then manages to get themselves killed? relying on red not having a medic that can counteract these night hits? The lynch is the most reliable way to kill players if we decide to. There are so many lurkers that we cannot grant them immunity from the lynch on the grounds that "our blues will deal with them" as you are doing. Would you have us ignore scummy players that are lurking and lynch elsewhere? If BM had been the only death 1 we would be in a similar position to most towns that ever were having mislynched a townie day 1. [2]The candidates we had when i opened the thread where grush57 5 votes and then a few people with 1-2 votes. The votes were spread out. I thought and still think that grush is town. Lynching a "lurker" was the best move we could have made + Show Spoiler +Strictly speaking BM was an inactive. ??? Let's pretend that you didn't post this: Show nested quote +If lay flips red then marvel is worth looking at just because of being so associated with both layabout and kat day one which describes the information gained from lynching me, after you emphasized the value of information. You want to kill me because i pushed a lynch that didn't give us much information. Boo fucking Hoo. That is not the point of a lynch. You lynch to kill scum. When you are desperate you might lynch a lurker (who has a chance of flipping scum) over player that are active or that you have town reads on. [4]He is dead isn't he? I got the lynch onto him, and i would do it again. I am also going to shamelessly hijack Palmar's reputation by pointing out that he supported a BM lynch and he flipped VanillaTown/Blu Team + Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 06:20 Palmar wrote:
##Vote Bill Murray "questionable defense?" i think ghost summed it up here: Show nested quote +
Most of the argument against layabout comes from his "hard defense" of Katina. That's not a hard defense at all. Saying a rather good player is moderately intelligent and shouldn't be lynch so early in the game is just good play.
*ghost tragically forgot this later on when other people suggested killing me. [6]You will weep tears and become the laughing stock of the entire forum!
Classy defense. Not. Seems like a scum having an entire flagpole up his ass.
Why didn't layabout defend against my accusations so vigorously like he did here in this post against Eiii. Seems pretty clear, I am his lynchprey for today, and that's why he didn't want to draw attention, else it would seem like an OMGUS.
Do what you want today.
Lynch NT if you like, I am neutral about this one
Lynch me if you want to get rid off a bad townie.
Lynch layabout if you want town to win.
And SA, I think you are wasting too much energy into my death. Maybe you would actually be helpful for town if your posts that DON'T contain my name weren't so fluffy.
(and oh yeah, I also thought that BM was scum but does that make me scum. Well, as much as it would make layabout scum.)
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^above post looks bigger than it actually is
but atleast it contains more info than all of SA's post combined
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On May 07 2012 23:35 Nova_Terra wrote:
Finished my exam, will sleep for a while then try to be useful :D
This sort of summarizes our general Nova_Terra problem. it's the end of D2, we're 120 hours into the game, and this is the best he can do. He's clearly scum just trying to stall and look noobie to avoid getting lynched. I'm not moving my vote off him.
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BH, eat your hat if NT is town?
-Mattchew
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Ebwop:
On May 08 2012 04:22 blubbdavid wrote:
l(don't care much about him, I don't like mementoss's (nemesis of N_T) posting not very much either)
should it be "don't like m's posting not much either" or "don't like m's posting much either"?
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SA is townie, he doesn't know what he is saying. Nor do I.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On May 08 2012 04:29 SomethingAwesome wrote:
BH, eat your hat if NT is town?
-Mattchew
An often-raised question is "what happens to the supposedly eaten hats of Blazinghand?" Well I will have you know that I do indeed eat hats when I am wrong. However, I have never been wrong in a hat-eating scenario. For context, I typically push someone who is obvious scum then make a statement like this:
"If N_T flips town I will literally eat my hat.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Hqgo2.png) "
This represents the maximum possible sureness I can present-- hat-eatingly sure. I am not QUITE that sure on N_T. I'd be willing to threaten eating a smaller vestment, such as a glove or sock, but eating a hat is hard work. So, I will not at this moment threaten hat-eating.
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So blubb... Your defence is this:
"I don't want to defend myself" And calling layabout scum for his choice of words being more aggresive then he advocated early d1? Nice.
So I should be lynched because I made a totally useless oneliner before (I'm sorry btw) when I said earlier people shouldn't be doing just that? Behavioral analysis at its finest.
You're reaching. Our posts aren't fluffy... Not at all.
//Dirk
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On May 08 2012 04:22 blubbdavid wrote:
So game continues I am pushing against layabout, then there comes the mind reading affair:
I am talking about how some actions of layabout make him less scummy. And what does SA do, who has buddied up with layabout? [1] Accuses me of being scum because I seem to know too much. Instead of being relieved that I, blubbdavid, one of the few who were pushing his buddy layabout, he accuses me of being scum instead. [2]Come, no one accuses someone as scum when said scum is reconsidering his tunneling. Except when you are a bad townie (SA) who is reading too much into the wrong person and too little into the right one.
But why do I think that SA is town? Because that guy is seriously convinced that I am scum. If he was scum, he would be pushing much more discreet, and that's where we land at layabout, who is abusing his naive townbuddy in pushing me hard.
[1]And you are twisting my words. I never said you knew to much. I said some of your posts are written with a tone and word choice indicating that you know peoples allignment.
[2]But you didn't reconsider your read did you? You have never expressed that you might see layabout as town. You just didn't want to commit to pushing layabout all the way and was wishy washy with your "scumread". Trying to backpaddle to be ready when layabout flipped town.
//Dirk
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didn't say that you should be lynched
Coincidentally, the only other posts of you that are not fluffy are those where you pushed against layabout. Now, your suspicions on layabout have flown away like a bird on a midsummer sunday.
Has mattchew eaten Dirk's head and is playing as dirk and matt at the same time or what?
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Blubbdavid's defense in this situation is pretty much identical to what he did in Aperture Mafia. Instead of addressing the case against him, he tries to push another lynch. He rolled scum that game.
Between the fact that Layabout has a good case on him, the fact that he isn't/won't address it, and that he's playing his scum meta to a T, I say we
##vote blubbdavid
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