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On February 23 2012 11:11 Steveling wrote:
I think my quotations were pretty obvious to go into trouble to explain.
I hadn't yet filtered him obviously. I just had the impression of pro-town posting behavior.
I made this case AFTER I filtered him and seen each post individually.
And anyway,besides that, how on earth are you ignoring trackdoors and hawkings cases to turn on me?
What's the reason behind this turn?
I'm calling to your reasoning, you didn't listen to it on DYH case for which you said you took full responsibility and I didn't hold you accountable for that, because I reasoned things out. Do the same.
well you used the wrong quote.. you used the feb 18 not the feb 21
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On February 23 2012 11:11 Steveling wrote:
I think my quotations were pretty obvious to go into trouble to explain.
I hadn't yet filtered him obviously. I just had the impression of pro-town posting behavior.
I made this case AFTER I filtered him and seen each post individually.
And anyway,besides that, how on earth are you ignoring trackdoors and hawkings cases to turn on me?
What's the reason behind this turn?
I'm calling to your reasoning, you didn't listen to it on DYH case for which you said you took full responsibility and I didn't hold you accountable for that, because I reasoned things out. Do the same.
How can you not take a step back and evaluate what is going on?
We are at a critical juncture of MYLO, where one mislynch loses us the game, and you decide that continuing the planned course of action is the best thing to do without regard for anything else?
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On February 23 2012 11:17 Mattchew wrote:we are at the stage of mislynch and lose (if we don't have a doc which i doubt we do). Meaning scum can bus and kill 0 - 3 straight nights and if we mislynch 1 time of those they win... meaning there are a lot of possibilities track I think we need to lynch certain scum and I think the only 2 I am still sure of is tkhawk and zelbade TKhawk is because of his completely terrible attitude to getting accused. He looks for pure sympathy to not be lynched and never provides any actual reason why he shouldn't Zelblade rages hard at me which is funny cause he is raging at me for being too aggressive. Its contradictory. I think sloosh you may have something with steveling but I believe in these 2 more. Steveling is a little risky to me to lynch today for a couple reasons. I like this post and I like this post. Both say that he is unsure of MG making me unsure of him.
You are basing your townish/ neutral read on him because he was unsure of the MG lynch?
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What is going on mate?
We just had bad luck with our vigi shooting maybe the only towny in the case and the scum getting lucky and shooting our vigi. There's nothing more, nothing less.
We have 2 solid cases and we must go on with them.
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I am basing my lets not lynch him today because of that
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sloosh are you willing to bet the entire game that steveling is scum?
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On February 23 2012 11:25 Mattchew wrote:
I am basing my lets not lynch him today because of that
ET was wrong about MG. Janaan was wrong about MG. Jaj22 was wrong about MG. DYH was wrong about MG.
Do you see why I have a problem with you leaning anything remotely town on him because he was unsure about MG??
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i didn't say i was leaning town... i was saying that there is a shadow of doubt for me with him and I have stronger reads on zel and hawk
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Well Hawk I still want to avoid b/c of the big replacement mess. Could you clarify your read on zel?
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idk.. i need to read more... I did not like how zel reacted to my case on him and my posting. However as I re-read his filter more and more he has a lot of good posts too. Tommorow I am going to take a long long time re-reading the thread and every remaining players filter.
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I can not fathom how your reading "difficulties" are gonna cost us the game.
The amount of evidence against trackdoor and hawkins, is overwhelming and proportional to the mind boggling I suffer from, at the moment.
There's not a single reason to drop their cases for me.
And what's even more fascinating is that I have no case. You just didn't understand plain words.
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Ok - I'll be waiting for your fleshed out reasoning and conclusion.
To Steveling:
How can you not take a step back and reevaluate our course of action?
You obviously have a problem with me and soft accusing me of falling into tunneling again, but don't you think you too can be susceptible to it yourself? How can you approach today's lynch with such confidence?
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Have you even read the cases on those two?
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trackd00r was against steveling pretty early on the thread when no one noticed him. I don't think they can both be scum, like what sloosh said.
I'm going to do a bit of logic/cataloging.
As said before, people I think are MOST LIKELY town (could be re-evaluted later on):
sloosh, myself, gumshoe, mattchew.
That leaves 6 people I where scum could be hiding:
zelblade, steveling, trackd00r, TKHawkins, rgTheSchworz, Alderan
zelblade: votes me and DYH D1, thinks trackd00r, mattchew, and TKHawkins are Mafia.
Thinks blae(rG), Alderan are town.
steveling: advocates lynch lurker/no-lynch first day, put down cases on gumshoe/DYH/trackd00r.
Thinks mattchew's case is great.
trackd00r: targets steveling early, votes me D1, lightly targets TKHawkins and Alderan.
Thinks Mattchew is town.
TKHawkins: FOS's Janaan, case on myself was the sheepiest, thinks mattchew is dangerous.
Says blae is "very pro-town"
blae/rG: posts big case on me, rG believes "scum are in active". By far the lurkiest poster in the thread.
Alderan: posts initial case on Dimmuklok, talks about the vote swap, believes TKHawkins, sloosh, and trackd00r are mafia.
If the scum team included trackd00r, it would mean that he is being bused, as at least 3/6 of the people here think that he is scum. I wouldn't lynch him today, at the very least. The same goes for TKHawkins. TK might even be modkilled, so we should leave him for now.
Of the people available, I would be most comfortable lynching zelblade, or rgTheSchworz. Why rG? The only opinions on him have been "he's pro town/should post a bit more". He hasn't gotten the same scrutiny that MannerKiss got D1.
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On February 23 2012 11:53 slOosh wrote:
How can you approach today's lynch with such confidence?
Because I value cases. That's how.
Do you know why I didn't believe Midnight was scum? Did you even read my filter?
Because I said there wasn't a solid case against him. Only minor stuff.
The real question here is HOW CAN YOU vote for me above all when we are in MYLO situation.
There's no solid case on me. There's not even a case. And you are skipping on two hard constructed cases for what?
If this was day one I wouldn't mind. But we will lose now, and we will lose because you are fixating on a comprehension error based on a 7 years old vocabulary.
You are not making sense.
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On February 23 2012 12:05 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 11:53 slOosh wrote:
How can you approach today's lynch with such confidence? Because I value cases. That's how. Do you know why I didn't believe Midnight was scum? Did you even read my filter? Because I said there wasn't a solid case against him. Only minor stuff. The real question here is HOW CAN YOU vote for me above all when we are in MYLO situation. There's no solid case on me. There's not even a case. And you are skipping on two hard constructed cases for what? If this was day one I wouldn't mind. But we will lose now, and we will lose because you are fixating on a comprehension error based on a 7 years old vocabulary. You are not making sense.
Alright then. What do you think of Alderan?
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How can you even ask me that after all I said.
Let me make clear my opinion, anyone else except trackdoor and hawkings is suicide.
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On February 23 2012 12:01 EchelonTee wrote:
If the scum team included trackd00r, it would mean that he is being bused, as at least 3/6 of the people here think that he is scum. I wouldn't lynch him today, at the very least. The same goes for TKHawkins. TK might even be modkilled, so we should leave him for now.
Of the people available, I would be most comfortable lynching zelblade, or rgTheSchworz. Why rG? The only opinions on him have been "he's pro town/should post a bit more". He hasn't gotten the same scrutiny that MannerKiss got D1.
I agree with this conclusion. It is the same reason why I don't want to go for trackd00r or TKHawk right now, and its the same reason why I looked at the people pushing for these two. Steveling happened to be the most vocal.
What irks me most is how the heck people get town reads from Alderan.
When I dropped my preliminary read, it was just that. I dropped my preliminary read.
I didn't do it because I think he was town. I dropped it because I had slight paranoia. It moved him to neutral / null in my book. How the heck are some of you guys treating him confirmed?
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On February 23 2012 12:19 Steveling wrote:
How can you even ask me that after all I said.
Let me make clear my opinion, anyone else except trackdoor and hawkings is suicide.
You obviously aren't looking ahead are you? We need 4 successful lynches to win.
So what if we lynch trackd00r and hawkings? Then what? Just keep following Mattchew's plan?
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What happened to 1 lynch at a time. Just hours ago everyone thought of it like a gospel.
Guess what changed with the double town killing tonight.
Nothing. That's right.
There are still four scum.
We still have two solid cases.
It's 5am now but the worse thing is, I feel like nothing good came out of it. Cya tomorrow.
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