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On July 08 2013 17:30 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 17:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 08 2013 17:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
rayn is weak, anyway I feel that cocky rayn is town rayn. Rayn is chez your top scumread?
How do you even know i am weak? Do i need to be right on everything on D1 for you to consider me strong? About my reads: We are lynching into Chez/NG/WoS/ON/Maju today. That's my preferred order of their scumminess. Chez & NG are like totally scum. Yes, Chezinu at the top if he does not explain why Xata was the best target to nuke. If he gives a reasonable explanation, NG as close second. People who are town: geript, Dandel, vayne, FT, Abenson, Gumshoe, Xatalos, MZ (if he dies to nuke he is definitely gonna flip town), jampidampi (weak read),. Everyone else is null or null leaning scummy. Could you elaborate on why you think Vayne is town? If your read is weak, please have a look at my case against him and reconsider.
This post of Vayne's...
On July 08 2013 02:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
Even if johnny does flip town, there's been a lot of decent discussion on it so it gives us a bit to work with as a day 1 lynch.
Given how easy the bandwagon was, I would look at the people defending him for absolutely zero reason if he flips town. Scum tryin' to get dat town cred.
On the same token we can also analyze the people that are saying one thing and lynching john on the other once the flip occurs.
If he flips scum, then there's not much to say. Rayn is probably town if he flips scum for being just about the only person to defend him.
.. is so surreal i don't see how he could possibly twist everything like this if he was mafia.
Other than that he has been reasonable with his explanations and straight up proposing targets, more than many others in thread.
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On July 08 2013 17:20 Alakaslam wrote:
MajuGarzett, tunnel much, hmm?
On Onegu? His vote switch seemed to fit with my read, it would be dumb not to point it out. What would be the point in not highlighting evidence? And it seemed the most relevant topic in the thread at the time.
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On July 08 2013 17:38 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 11:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Ok interesting. So apparently chezinu is saying his role gives him like a hot potato nuke that keeps bouncing around that you have to send at some one else? That's a pretty interesting mechanic and I really doubt he is scum now after giving us some content. People should consolidate on Dandel or Onegu if they dont like my johnny lynch. Holy banana-butthole, did anyone catch this? Why would Vayne... 1) ...automatically believe Chez when Chez explains what his role is. 2) ...confirm Chez as a town-read because Chez explained his role mechanics. 3) ...consider an "interesting mechanic" to be "content" We need to lynch this guy ASAP.
Actually this is a good point. Vayne explain.
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Also FT, did you notice MZ did the same thing with different words.
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On July 08 2013 17:38 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 11:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Ok interesting. So apparently chezinu is saying his role gives him like a hot potato nuke that keeps bouncing around that you have to send at some one else? That's a pretty interesting mechanic and I really doubt he is scum now after giving us some content. People should consolidate on Dandel or Onegu if they dont like my johnny lynch. Holy banana-butthole, did anyone catch this? Why would Vayne... 1) ...automatically believe Chez when Chez explains what his role is. 2) ...confirm Chez as a town-read because Chez explained his role mechanics. 3) ...consider an "interesting mechanic" to be "content" We need to lynch this guy ASAP.
FirmTofu, not only do my gut and meta get working here, but your cases and this fact are changing things.
Sorry again to Чезину.
And see the thread for that Pholks -_-
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On July 08 2013 17:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also FT, did you notice MZ did the same thing with different words.
I will look into it.
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On July 08 2013 17:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also FT, did you notice MZ did the same thing with different words.
What page of his- never mind, I will read his filter
Chezinu still make me think of poor Drazerk
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On July 08 2013 11:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Well chez appears to be dead so all you chez haters can now hop off the train and talk about Dandel with me.
I assume you mean this?
But he is puppet mastering me hard if he is scum!
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On July 08 2013 17:38 MajuGarzett wrote:On Onegu? His vote switch seemed to fit with my read, it would be dumb not to point it out. What would be the point in not highlighting evidence? And it seemed the most relevant topic in the thread at the time.
Oh and yes and suits me. If anyone else has a bone to pick they can have at it.
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I don't think MZ's defense of Chez is comparable to Vayne's. MZ's defense is considerably more muted and only came after the nuke on Chez. Considering MZ has also been nuked and has posted a lengthy list of all of his reads, I don't think he warrants our attention today.
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Yeah. I am inclined to agree again, and also because I know he has been right in a way I found eerily accurate.
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So Chezinu, was Vayne correct in his assumption that your nuke is just like a passable hot potato that explodes later? In that case.. Thanks for the nuke I guess? Or is it just an insta-kill nuke that you had to launch? Even so, I think I have like a 20-50% chance of surviving the nuke, depending on what types of nuke are out there (maybe even higher if my immunity is against a really common nuke type, or even all nukes if "different nuke types" means only different launch mechanics - hard to say atm). Also, what does "Chezinu Rule" actually mean? Is there some other reason than me fake-nuking you?
austinmcc lynch doesn't seem likely today, and maybe he's not even the optimal lynch either after all. At least he has the potential to be very useful later on, unlike many of our lurkish/vague posters. Chezinu is leading atm, but I'm not really satisfied with lynching him (only a slightly higher than average chance of flipping scum). I'll have to reconsider players like Onegu, NG, MajuGarzett etc. for today. Also strongandbig hasn't made a good impression on me, but I'll have to recheck him soonish.
Btw it sure feels good to be everyone's consensus townread for once  I don't think I've ever achieved this level of trust before. Gotta reread this game as a reference to establishing innocence in later games (haven't been so good at that oftentimes.....).
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I will explain the similitaries behind MZ and Vayne:
On July 07 2013 09:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i do not have a nuke. I tell that now. SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU!
Anyone who is town and has a nuke, nuke Chezinu-. Nobody listen to this. This is what loses town high kp games. People need to sit back and chill the fuck out. Xat is most likely dead, now lets not do anything rash.
First there is this. This is horribly wrong. What loses town high KP games is that people like Chezinu are allowed to get away with this kinda shit. Nuking someone (whatever kind of nuke you have) without a reason is anti-town. Period. MZ is already saying we should not suspect Chezinu, hell he is not even saying we should question him for his terrible nuke. Why?
Chezinu: possibly town, don’t really feel like arguing with the jubjubs about this one.
Verdict: Possibly Town
Here is his read on Chezinu later. How the fuck is Chezinu possibly town?
6. How in the fuck is Chez possible town? This game is practically exactly the same as LX?
I called him possible town in a reaction to the people calling for his death. In my mind he's more likely town than scum, especially since he's hinting that he was forced to launch a nuke. I'm really not interested in killing him today. Although you may have a point that I'm missing since I don't remember LX very well (was I even in it?).
MZ is straight up buying Chezinu's explanation. Still Chezinu has not explained why Xatalos over all people.
On July 08 2013 11:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Well chez appears to be dead so all you chez haters can now hop off the train and talk about Dandel with me.
Straight up buying Chezinu's explanation that he is going to die.
On July 08 2013 16:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Chez already answered his nuke.
I think I should look over NG since several people have mentioned him recently.
Alakslam is just a terribad noob, no need to kill him.
I'm tired, good night.
Chezinu NEVER answered the most and only important question. "Why did you nuke Xatalos over all the other people?"
Now, how the fuck is this any different from this:
On July 08 2013 11:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Ok interesting. So apparently chezinu is saying his role gives him like a hot potato nuke that keeps bouncing around that you have to send at some one else? That's a pretty interesting mechanic and I really doubt he is scum now after giving us some content. People should consolidate on Dandel or Onegu if they dont like my johnny lynch.
Don't get me wrong here. I am not saying either of these guys are sure scum. In fact MZ will most likely flip town if he actually flips. I don't even know if Chezinu is scum, but he is damn scummy if he does not give reasonable reason for nuking Xatalos and not anyone else instead!!! What i want to know is why people think MZ is not scummy because of this, but Vayne is? That's a contradiction in itself, because they are saying exactly the same thing - they are giving Chezinu a town read for exactly same reasons.
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On July 08 2013 17:58 FirmTofu wrote:
I don't think MZ's defense of Chez is comparable to Vayne's. MZ's defense is considerably more muted and only came after the nuke on Chez. Considering MZ has also been nuked and has posted a lengthy list of all of his reads, I don't think he warrants our attention today.
Wait wtf. Has someone nuked Chez?
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On July 08 2013 09:02 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 18:31 geript wrote:
@rayn... was that you? No it was not me. I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so. Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me. Setup is closed and we don't know what role mechanics exist. Claiming nukes this early with little information is pointless. Also, if Scum know who holds nukes that may lead to them NKing Town with KP if they have nukes themselves.
This is something i wanted to comment on earlier but forgot.
Ace i think you are misunderstanding me; I was trying to say if you are town and launch a nuke you should claim it even if the nuke is silent. This way we know that every nuke not claimed in thread when launched is from mafia (that seems to be the case with the nuke on MZ).
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No more nukes can be launched today.
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On July 08 2013 19:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 17:58 FirmTofu wrote:
I don't think MZ's defense of Chez is comparable to Vayne's. MZ's defense is considerably more muted and only came after the nuke on Chez. Considering MZ has also been nuked and has posted a lengthy list of all of his reads, I don't think he warrants our attention today. Wait wtf. Has someone nuked Chez?
He was fake nuked by xata, he says that is why he fired back in his own roundabout way.
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Dang. I didn't get around to checking before the day 1 nuke deadline.
I guess dead man walking? Yay.
Based on the assumed deadline, johnnywup has a day 1 nuke? And considering on the setup, unless multiple nukes explode at day 1, this probably makes johnnywup town. If multiple townies die from not firing day 1 nukes then johnnywup is scum. There might be the play to launch now and claim an early deadline but that just doesn't make sense.
Now. I resort to prayer.
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Bite me. Looking for scumslips isn't how you play, looking for scummy posting and behavior is.
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Well, maybe it's how you play, but it isn't how you should play.
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