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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 08 2013 14:17 GMT
#921
On July 08 2013 23:00 Stutters695 wrote:
Tan what do you mean by lonely scum?


Lonely scum = scum and only player with a Day 1 Nuke
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 14:18 GMT
#922
On July 08 2013 22:59 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 06:17 Xatalos wrote:
On July 08 2013 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also whoever had a townread on Ace, explain. I don't see anything alignment indicative from him.


Not sure if I said anything about Ace before, but actually I get the feeling he's probably town. I see no reason for him to engage in the discussion to defend you like that unless you're both scum or both town. Currently leaning both town, so there's that.


This is a post from a while back but I feel I want to dig a little deeper.

My main concern with Ace at the moment is that he defended rayn at a moment in which he was under heavy aggression.

Now, if I do this as a townie, the main thing I want to do is redirect attention from rayn towards something else. But his following posts do not indicate this:

clicky

He's not trying to steer the thread anywhere. As town I feel that letting people pressure rayn is much more natural, for me to get a better read.

It's small, but I not comfortable with calling him "probably town". What do you think?



Hmm. It's mostly a gutread, but I've seen Ace play scum and he didn't do anything unnecessary like that then. He just lurked and didn't scumhunt, at all, except maybe a bit to justify a bandwagon vote. Now he's already 1) participated in the me-rayn-geript discussion in a pretty genuine-feeling way 2) otherwise participated in constructive discussion and shared reads quite openly. It's too early to call him clearly town, but I feel like he has a pretty low chance of flipping scum atm.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 08 2013 14:19 GMT
#923
Why xata? Because almost if not everybody agrees he's town.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 14:26 GMT
#924
On July 08 2013 23:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im pretty sure I can


Ok nice. I think you should use it now if you can. TanGeng is a really bad pick, but I'm not completely sure if you should use it on me or Meapak. Meapak apparently has no other protection and he was nuked secretly -> very likely by scum -> he's likely town. Also, his behaviour after being nuked has been townish and very open (unlike TanGeng). I of course know that I'm town and everyone seems to agree, but I have a good chance of surviving the nuke because of my role. I want to live naturally, so I'd prefer if you anti-nuked me, but Meapak is a good choice as well.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 08 2013 14:27 GMT
#925
On July 08 2013 23:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
guysss I have a 1shot anti nuke thing. so I can shoot down nukes

Which nuke do I destroy!.
Im currently going with the xalatos one because Chez scumread is stronger than Johnny scumread ESPECIALLY since johnny seems to be posting, I feel that I can get a more confident read on johnny later. Also chez has never ever ever explained why xalatos past CHEZINU RULE. I dont buy it. Nope.
Discuss.


Save MZ because I have a full town read on him and you'll have a better chance of winning town with him.

Xalatos has claimed that he may survive. So it looks like Xalatos could be the veteran. The exact nature of Chez nuke isn't known. Although at this point I'd think it's an one shot early deadline.

I'd argue myself, but I don't have a clear target for my ability at the moment.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 08 2013 14:30 GMT
#926
oh thats cool.

More people talk please.
No gg, No skill.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 08 2013 14:35 GMT
#927
Oh yeah, I forgot you had some sort of immunity xata. Either MP or xata for sure. It's looking like we're lynching chez, huh? I'm not really sure what to think of that. I'd rather lynch SnB or WoS or dandel personally.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 08 2013 14:36 GMT
#928
Ebwop MZ not MP
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 08 2013 14:36 GMT
#929
SnB is playing?
lol
No gg, No skill.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 14:37 GMT
#930
Okay, I think it's better if I fully reveal my role now.

You are a Immune One! You have no special powers other than that Radiation nukes do not harm you, but do infect you. Each night, you may choose to visit a player. If you are infected with radiation, it will spread to them. You will not be informed if you are infected. Once infected, your infection will last the entire game.

That should help to make an informed decision, Oatsmaster. I'm not really sure what it means, but maybe your anti-nuke role clears something about my role as well. The way I understand it, Radiation nuke is one type of nuke and there are others as well. However, it might be the only type of nuke and the "different types of nukes" means just launch mechanics (secret/claim/etc.).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 08 2013 14:38 GMT
#931
Hmmm what does infection mechanic do?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 14:39 GMT
#932
On July 08 2013 23:38 TanGeng wrote:
Hmmm what does infection mechanic do?


No idea.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 08 2013 14:40 GMT
#933
If chez has my role but with a shorter deadline which I suspect, it doesn't say it's a radiation nuke but just a nuke. Once again, like you said, every nuke may be radioactive? I don't know.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 08 2013 14:41 GMT
#934
Is there any reason why would you want to visit anyone if you were town?
Are you trying to visit scum?
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Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
July 08 2013 14:42 GMT
#935
I don't want to lynch Chezinu atm. We don't know exactly the mechanics of his nuke and he's sticking his head out drawing attention to himself pretty hard, early in the game. I'm not familiar with his playstyle, but scum generally don't do this.

@WaveOfShadow

I need you to be a little clearer on Johnnywup. You were very quick to get pissed when both he and geript voted for you. At this point, you really want johnny dead, despite not having made a single case on him:


On July 08 2013 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript y u no vote Johnny?
He whoopsed to many times imo.


Now here it gets iffy. Suddenly, out of the blue, you have this interaction with rayne:


On July 08 2013 01:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There's 5 people voting me right now. Since I'm town, there's probably 2-3 scum voting for me and 2-3 misguided townies. Among the people who voted for me, I think WoS, TanGeng are the most scummy. I've already said why I don't like WoS, and I don't like TanGeng because for one thing he hopped on my bandwagon right after WoS wanted to start it...and he also hasn't said much. He's just been...there. He hasn't said anything of value. I'm pretty sure xatalos is town. I'm unsure about vayne.. I don't like him by any stretch of the imagination but he seems too bold voting me first...I don't know, he may be scum still. Abenson hasn't posted much...like at all. I can't really read him based on his posts in thread but he certainly looks like scum to me for quietly hopping on the bandwagon to vote me without saying anything.

So if I were to say whos townie and whos scum out of those 5 I'd say Xatalos and Vayne are town and the other 3 are scum, but I need more to go on from Abenson but he really hasn't given me a good first impression.


This part of Johnny's post mirrors my thoughts on the people voting for him like 100%. Only thing i disagree to some extent is that WoS is the scummiest of those people.

Rayn you really believe that half the scumteam jumped on the Whoops Wagon this early when half the thread is lurking and it's just as easy for them to hide? You say Johnny is town, why? Just because his post mirrors your thoughts?


And then BAM, johnny goes to "probably town", without any discussion, without any real analysis:


On July 08 2013 01:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah, johnny probably town at this point but I'm not sure how much that helps us. I'd bet there is 1 MAYBE 2 scum voting him right now.
As for Onegu:
I have a little something pre-written up on him but I'm going to sit on it a bit.

Onegu, do you have any nukes? If you had one (or do have one) who would you nuke right now and why?


What exactly convinced you he's town?
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 08 2013 14:42 GMT
#936
EBWOP:

From the POV of town what should you be doing if you are radiation infected?
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 08 2013 14:46 GMT
#937
damn, China is getting irradiated
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 08 2013 14:48 GMT
#938
On July 08 2013 23:39 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 23:38 TanGeng wrote:
Hmmm what does infection mechanic do?


No idea.


It lets you nightkill.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 08 2013 14:50 GMT
#939
EBWOP

Radiation is a mechanic that comes from radiation nukes. It infects people and kills them the next turn. The second part however doesn't happen to you. 
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 14:51 GMT
#940
On July 08 2013 23:42 TanGeng wrote:
EBWOP:

From the POV of town what should you be doing if you are radiation infected?


It's hard to say since I don't know what infection does. Kills? Dunno. If it means that every nuke is a Radiation nuke, I can spread the Radiation to someone during night, then probably it kills if the target isn't immune like me. Or it could be some kind of debuff.. Probably kills though. In that case it would kind of like a Vigi KP. Since johnnywup said that his role just said "nuke", without any specific type, I'm starting to think that I might be immune to all nukes. In that case it would be safer to anti-nuke Meapak, Oatsmaster.
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