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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 15:57 GMT
#961
On July 09 2013 00:46 Z-BosoN wrote:
Discussion is diving hard atm towards set-up speculation. Scum love this discussion because it's easy to participate in and look like they are contributing. Let's focus on consolidating our vote and try to dish out them scum, please.

Right now I am waiting for WoS and austin to respond and going through some other filters. What I know now is that I do not want Chezinu dead, as I stated before, and that this discussion is pointless unless there is new info that people with roles are willing to share.

Xatalos, why do you feel Meapak is town? I find his play so far to be a bit confusing from a town perspective. Please elaborate.


Why is it pointless to lynch Chezinu? He nuked me, the strongest general townread at the time, for no (apparent) reason. Maybe he was just being insane, but unless he soon A) starts explaining his actions and B) reveals what type of nuke he launched at me (solving the problem of Oatsmaster's anti-nuke), I feel we should lynch him.

Reasons for Meapak being town:
1) he was nuked secretly - only scum would have a natural reason not to claim their nukes - likely the launcher is scum and Meapak is town (both CAN'T be scum, since it would be 100% insane to secretly kill your own scum team)
2) he didn't shut up after being nuked, but rather started scumhunting with renewed motivation, which is a clear town trademark (why would scum act pro-town after being sentenced to death?)
3) overall he has posted townishly and scumhunted a lot IMO
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 08 2013 15:57 GMT
#962
Im going to sleep.
<3 Xatalos, PLEASE DONT BE SCUM
##Defend Xatalos
No gg, No skill.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
July 08 2013 16:02 GMT
#963
NUCLEAR DEFENSE ACTIVATED
[image loading]

The nuke heading towards Xatalos has been shot down from the sky.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 16:03 GMT
#964
On July 09 2013 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im going to sleep.
<3 Xatalos, PLEASE DONT BE SCUM
##Defend Xatalos


Too bad you couldn't wait. I think we could have pressured the answer out of Chezinu and maybe saved Meapak. But at least now I know I'll live, which is kind of a relief, I guess.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 08 2013 16:03 GMT
#965
Would have preferred MZ being defended but both are likely town so whatever
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 08 2013 16:06 GMT
#966
Okay Oats. I understand you need to go to bed, that was probably the best possible thing you could do.
The problem is that Xatalos is kinda vanilla now. Unless some townie has a radiation nuke. If you do, launch that towards Xatalos the first thing on D2 if he is alive.

I'm not giving Chezinu a "free pass", he still needs to explain himself. There is plenty of time before the lynch. I would have like Oats to clarify from hosts does the anti-nuke block only KP or all the effects. Apparently all, and given that i would definitely defend Xata over Meapak. There is still a chance scum launched a fake-nuke on their scumbuddy Meapak. Imagine what it does. First of all you gain town credit. Second, you become "unlynchable" for the phase. Like, "why would we even look at that guy who is going to die either way".
table for two on a tv tray
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
July 08 2013 16:10 GMT
#967
On July 09 2013 00:57 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 00:46 Z-BosoN wrote:
Discussion is diving hard atm towards set-up speculation. Scum love this discussion because it's easy to participate in and look like they are contributing. Let's focus on consolidating our vote and try to dish out them scum, please.

Right now I am waiting for WoS and austin to respond and going through some other filters. What I know now is that I do not want Chezinu dead, as I stated before, and that this discussion is pointless unless there is new info that people with roles are willing to share.

Xatalos, why do you feel Meapak is town? I find his play so far to be a bit confusing from a town perspective. Please elaborate.


Why is it pointless to lynch Chezinu? He nuked me, the strongest general townread at the time, for no (apparent) reason. Maybe he was just being insane, but unless he soon A) starts explaining his actions and B) reveals what type of nuke he launched at me (solving the problem of Oatsmaster's anti-nuke), I feel we should lynch him.

Reasons for Meapak being town:
1) he was nuked secretly - only scum would have a natural reason not to claim their nukes - likely the launcher is scum and Meapak is town (both CAN'T be scum, since it would be 100% insane to secretly kill your own scum team)
2) he didn't shut up after being nuked, but rather started scumhunting with renewed motivation, which is a clear town trademark (why would scum act pro-town after being sentenced to death?)
3) overall he has posted townishly and scumhunted a lot IMO


Well, why would scum nuke meapak? What is the purpose in it? As I recall, he wasn't the most townie-looking person at the time of the launch.

What bothers me about him is that earlier on he was pretty suspicious of rayne earlier on, but did nothing to pursue him. He just put him in the "probable scum" category in his big list, without doing any sort of discussion.

I'll look into 2), seems like a fair point

WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
July 08 2013 16:11 GMT
#968
So...guys...
If someone else could be shot or saved....who would you want it to be?
:D
:D
:D

twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 08 2013 16:14 GMT
#969
WoS... Who gives a shit right now? We need to focus on who were going to lynch. You're distracting from that with pointless questions like that.
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 08 2013 16:16 GMT
#970
WORLD AT WAR

geript: (1)
raynpelikoneet
Dandel Ion

johnnywup: (1)
VayneAuthority
Xatalos
WaveofShadow
TanGeng
Abenson
OriginalName

Chezinu: (5)
raynepelikoneet
Onegu
Ace
TanGeng
Abenson
Xatalos

WaveofShadow: (1)
geript
johnnywup

Onegu: (2)
Nirvana.Gabo
MajuGarzett

austinmcc: (0)
Xatalos

raynepelikoneet: (0)
Alakaslam

Z-BosoN: (0)
Chezinu

Dandel Ion: (1)
johnnywup

Nirvana.Gabo: (2)
Oatsmaster
raynpelikoneet

ghost_403: (1)
Alakaslam
Chezinu

VayneAuthority: (2)
FirmTofu
Alakaslam

TARGET: Chezinu is set to be obliterated!

Obliteration will occur at: 21:59 GMT (+00:00) which arrives in

Nukes can no longer be fired for this phase!
ATOBTTR
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
July 08 2013 16:16 GMT
#971
I don't see how that's pointless in the slightest.
Is there more than one person you'd want dead today?
Is there someone currently being nuked that can be saved?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
July 08 2013 16:17 GMT
#972
I can get behind a NG lynch. I'll not repeat anything said about him, but just look these two posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=45#899
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=45#900
He comes back to the thread just to tell that in his opinion, FirmTofu is bad. And not the scummy looking bad, but the not enough skill bad. If he was town wouldn't he have commented on something scummy/townie, not something bad?
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
July 08 2013 16:17 GMT
#973
Meapak should be saved if possibel, he is totes town.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
July 08 2013 16:19 GMT
#974
So....if I were to tell you guys to get your votes off of NG.....
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 16:19 GMT
#975
On July 09 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay Oats. I understand you need to go to bed, that was probably the best possible thing you could do.
The problem is that Xatalos is kinda vanilla now. Unless some townie has a radiation nuke. If you do, launch that towards Xatalos the first thing on D2 if he is alive.

I'm not giving Chezinu a "free pass", he still needs to explain himself. There is plenty of time before the lynch. I would have like Oats to clarify from hosts does the anti-nuke block only KP or all the effects. Apparently all, and given that i would definitely defend Xata over Meapak. There is still a chance scum launched a fake-nuke on their scumbuddy Meapak. Imagine what it does. First of all you gain town credit. Second, you become "unlynchable" for the phase. Like, "why would we even look at that guy who is going to die either way".


I think there's a high chance that I'm NK'd (apparently everyone thinks I'm town). Another sensible NK would be Oatsmaster with his anti-nuke. If I live, it might be a good idea to give me that KP, although it might be risky (I'd be an obvious roleblock target, if there are scum roleblockers in this game). The bad thing about this is that now there's zero chance of a scum shooting me with a Radiation nuke. Oh well, at least I'll live for now.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
July 08 2013 16:19 GMT
#976
I'd preferably like some input from some more of the active townies here.
I want to make sure this is something we can all agree on somewhat.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
July 08 2013 16:20 GMT
#977
On July 09 2013 01:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
So....if I were to tell you guys to get your votes off of NG.....

What makes you not want lynch him? Why can't you save Meapak without conditions?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 08 2013 16:22 GMT
#978
I'm down for lynching dandel, wos, s and b, and on. I'm slightly less excited about a NG lynch but if that's what's going to happen then I'm moderately okay with it. I'm indifferent about a chez lynch, don't like it don't hate it.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
July 08 2013 16:22 GMT
#979
On July 09 2013 01:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'd preferably like some input from some more of the active townies here.
I want to make sure this is something we can all agree on somewhat.


Answer my post, good sir.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
July 08 2013 16:23 GMT
#980
Yeah Johnny I'm not getting lynched.
Today or ever.

Come on where are the rest of you guys?
I REALLY wanna YOLO this and I'm pretty tempted but I at least want to see if SOME people approve.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
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