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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
On September 07 2012 06:22 xDaunt wrote: I'm on record saying that this year's republican candidates were John McCain's sloppy seconds. I'm also on record saying that I would vote for a plywood board over Obama. Ah, the only attitude getting Mittens any votes at all. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 07 2012 06:33 DamnCats wrote: Ah, the only attitude getting Mittens any votes at all. No, I'm actually far more comfortable voting for Romney now since the convention, and not just against Obama. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On September 07 2012 06:37 xDaunt wrote: No, I'm actually far more comfortable voting for Romney now since the convention, and not just against Obama. Why? I'm not being facetious. What made you more comfortable. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On September 07 2012 06:39 Defacer wrote: Why? I'm not being facetious. What made you more comfortable. Would also like to hear this. Also, god damn, the DNC has been so much better than the RNC. Hell, there are even minorities in the crowd :O | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On September 07 2012 05:55 JonnyBNoHo wrote: Kinda. It depends on who you are pulling into the insurance pool and if you are looking at total insurance costs or the cost of individual plans. Well, from a health insurance company point of view, it makes no sense to sign on somebody that is going to cost the company more money than they can conceivably charge. By being forced to cover pre-existing conditions, they will be forced to take people on that they KNOW will cost the company money, with no guarantee or hint that the costs will be offset by a package deal that comes from the customer, like the purchase of other insurance or referral of healthier friends/relatives. | ||
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sevencck
Canada704 Posts
Bill Clinton's speech was top notch, magnificent, so full of substance and passion. It's easy to feel his deep understanding and commitment to improving the situation in the U.S.A. It actually makes me feel proud to identify with the Democrats, and I'm not even capable of voting in the U.S. election. In contrast, the Republican campaign has been a dispassionate and largely dishonest smear campaign, filled with many baseless claims, and an economic platform that doesn't even hold water numerically as determined by a third party group (that Romney now accuses of liberal bias, despite holding them up as third party a year ago). The past several months have also highlighted Romney as a flipflopper on important American sociopolitical issues. The trite response the Republicans gave Clinton's speech was nothing less than totally embarrassing. I've always had a difficult time understanding why people vote Republican in the U.S.A., as an outside observer, it's not difficult to see that they're truly a terrible option for that country right now. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21863 Posts
On September 07 2012 07:02 sevencck wrote: I'm Canadian, but I've always followed U.S. politics a little more closely than Canadian politics, and I've always despised Republicanism in the U.S.A. (the philosophy mainly, I don't really hate on people). Bill Clinton's speech was top notch, magnificent, so full of substance and passion. It's easy to feel his deep understanding and commitment to improving the situation in the U.S.A. It actually makes me feel proud to identify with the Democrats, and I'm not even capable of voting in the U.S. election. In contrast, the Republican campaign has been a dispassionate and largely dishonest smear campaign, filled with many baseless claims, and an economic platform that doesn't even hold water numerically as determined by a third party group (that Romney now accuses of liberal bias, despite holding them up as third party a year ago). The past several months have also highlighted Romney as a flipflopper on important American sociopolitical issues. The trite response the Republicans gave Clinton's speech was nothing less than totally embarrassing. I've always had a difficult time understanding why people vote Republican in the U.S.A., as an outside observer, it's not difficult to see that they're truly a terrible option for that country right now. Simple, Brainwashing. The american news system is designed to indoctrinate both sides really. It stops them from being able to objectively view the situation and determine the better outcome. | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On September 07 2012 07:02 sevencck wrote: I'm Canadian, but I've always followed U.S. politics a little more closely than Canadian politics, and I've always despised Republicanism in the U.S.A. (the philosophy mainly, I don't really hate on people). Bill Clinton's speech was top notch, magnificent, so full of substance and passion. It's easy to feel his deep understanding and commitment to improving the situation in the U.S.A. It actually makes me feel proud to identify with the Democrats, and I'm not even capable of voting in the U.S. election. In contrast, the Republican campaign has been a dispassionate and largely dishonest smear campaign, filled with many baseless claims, and an economic platform that doesn't even hold water numerically as determined by a third party group (that Romney now accuses of liberal bias, despite holding them up as third party a year ago). The past several months have also highlighted Romney as a flipflopper on important American sociopolitical issues. The trite response the Republicans gave Clinton's speech was nothing less than totally embarrassing. I've always had a difficult time understanding why people vote Republican in the U.S.A., as an outside observer, it's not difficult to see that they're truly a terrible option for that country right now. the Republican party tends to have values that coincide very closely with lots of Christians, and as you know, Christianity and Christianity and religion in general are much more important in everyday life here than in Canada, Europe, Aus, etc. Also, if you grow up watching Fox news your whole life, you don't really have any perspective: Republicanism is the only thing that makes sense to you, and liberals are those lesbian hippies who kill babies. | ||
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sevencck
Canada704 Posts
On September 07 2012 07:07 Gorsameth wrote: Simple, Brainwashing. The american news system is designed to indoctrinate both sides really. It stops them from being able to objectively view the situation and determine the better outcome. Agreed. There are probably a number of other factors involved, but this election will be much closer than it should be. It's totally baffling. On September 07 2012 07:12 Chocolate wrote: the Republican party tends to have values that coincide very closely with lots of Christians, and as you know, Christianity and Christianity and religion in general are much more important in everyday life here than in Canada, Europe, Aus, etc. Also, if you grow up watching Fox news your whole life, you don't really have any perspective: Republicanism is the only thing that makes sense to you, and liberals are those lesbian hippies who kill babies. If I'm going to be totally honest, there is far more ignorance and stupidity on the side of the republicans. In fact, there are even some subtle currents of anti intellectual pride associated with that party. I realize ignorance and stupidity will impact an election return, but it can't possibly be enough to account for a 50:50 result that really shouldn't be so close. Mitt Romney is practically made of wood, and in a nutshell Paul Ryan seems to want nothing more than to disassemble all social services. I don't see how this can compete with Obama to the extent that the return is close to 50%. | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On September 07 2012 06:56 darthfoley wrote: Would also like to hear this. Also, god damn, the DNC has been so much better than the RNC. Hell, there are even minorities in the crowd :O Such passive-aggressive name calling is so played out. If you are going to call people racists, please be brave enough to do it. Oh how I long for the days when people will judge by content of character rather than the color of their skin... | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 07 2012 06:39 Defacer wrote: Why? I'm not being facetious. What made you more comfortable. 1) Romney picked Paul Ryan as VP. While I have doubts about what Romney stands for, I do not have any doubts with regards to what Paul Ryan stands for. Ryan likely is going to anchor the Romney ideologically and keep him honest -- particularly on fiscal issues. 2) I think Romney is a good guy. I liked all of the stories from the "character witnesses" that were presented at the convention. | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On September 07 2012 07:13 sevencck wrote: in a nutshell Paul Ryan seems to want nothing more than to disassemble all social services.. My honest response to you would certainly get me banned here forever so I'll skip all that and just highlight this sentence to see if anyone on the left around here has the integrity to set you straight. | ||
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ImAbstracT
519 Posts
On September 07 2012 07:12 Chocolate wrote: the Republican party tends to have values that coincide very closely with lots of Christians, and as you know, Christianity and Christianity and religion in general are much more important in everyday life here than in Canada, Europe, Aus, etc. Also, if you grow up watching Fox news your whole life, you don't really have any perspective: Republicanism is the only thing that makes sense to you, and liberals are those lesbian hippies who kill babies. As a Christian and fairly well trained in theology I would respectfully disagree. | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On September 07 2012 07:28 xDaunt wrote: 1) Romney picked Paul Ryan as VP. While I have doubts about what Romney stands for, I do not have any doubts with regards to what Paul Ryan stands for. Ryan likely is going to anchor the Romney ideologically and keep him honest -- particularly on fiscal issues. 2) I think Romney is a good guy. I liked all of the stories from the "character witnesses" that were presented at the convention. The Republicans aren't fiscally anymore conservative than the Dems. Republicans want to ramp up military spending, continue the war on drugs (and continue putting people in prison for them), and continue paranoia driven agencies like the TSA. Remember, the deficit increased under Bush far more than it ever did Obama. Both parties are pretty much owned by lobbyists and banks now. You're really only going to see a difference between the two in their social policies and Obama is a much stronger candidate there. | ||
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AyMnRSC2
United States123 Posts
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Dagan159
United States203 Posts
On September 07 2012 07:43 dvorakftw wrote: My honest response to you would certainly get me banned here forever so I'll skip all that and just highlight this sentence to see if anyone on the left around here has the integrity to set you straight. I have heard this also. I would love a link to discredit this "rumor." Ont he subject of FOX news, I have heard from several sources that its viewers are the least informed of almost every news station, including Jon Stewart and Colbert (lol, how does 30 mins > 24 hrs?). I dont think you will get banned for stating your opions or fact, just try not to use hyperbole while your doing it =) | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On September 07 2012 07:50 ImAbstracT wrote: As a Christian and fairly well trained in theology I would respectfully disagree. Well, I assume you are talking about welfare and social services. Most Christians I know would say that 1. people should choose how much to donate 2. people should choose who they give their money 3. government is inefficient 4. some government servies are immoral (anything to do with abortion) 5. religious groups and volunteer workers are better managers (little bureaucracy/politics) 6. some actions aren't really good charity, like providing cell-phones, ability to get booze, etc. I tend to agree here myself. And finally we have social issues like abortion, gay marriage, capital punishment (some religions), wars (some religions), religion in schools and public sector, etc. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On September 07 2012 07:52 AyMnRSC2 wrote: Honestly, Bill Clinton's speech last night was amazing. He refuted literally everything issue that Republicans are running on. I am very interested to see what President Obama has to say tonight at the DNC. About 15 minutes from now (probably longer). 10pm i think. Yea Clinton's speech took a dump on all of the republican talking points, basically. | ||
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AyMnRSC2
United States123 Posts
On September 07 2012 07:56 darthfoley wrote: 10pm i think. Yea Clinton's speech took a dump on all of the republican talking points, basically. Yeah and honestly, as a college student paying his way through college. It means a lot to me that, if he is reelected, Obama's "college student success" plan goes into effect immediately. | ||
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