If you're looking to group people by those three options, scum are probably in both 1/2. It's kind of silly to narrow it down by virtue of those actions alone. Everyone went about the lynch in different ways, look at them each individually. I think Yamato is right, this is being stupid.

Mocsta

Australia9389 Posts

February 08 2013 15:57 GMT

#863

sigh, im not writing my intentions clearly.
fuck this.

slOosh

3291 Posts

February 08 2013 16:15 GMT

#864

On February 08 2013 20:34 Mocsta wrote:
Sl0sh

pls spell it out for me.

Why are u certain u will be up for the lynch?

I thought that comment was odd.

I'll address this and also the idea of 3 townie nominations, because they are the same issue.

In this setup, there are two things that scum want gone.
1) Strong town players (i.e. they are good at catching scum)
2) (Relatively) "Confirmed" town players (i.e. people who are hard to mislynch)

The first is obvious, the second is because if they have less people to target, then the only people left to target are themselves.

The optimal scum play is to therefore make nominations in a way that can eliminate from this pool of people. For instance, say there were three more JX esque players - townies with much suspicion on them. Scum would be shooting themselves in the foot by putting these three up for nomination because even though it results in a mislynch, it aids town because it means someone who is 1) or 2) didn't get mislynched, which causes headaches for them late game.

I assume I'll get put up because I tend to get shot N1 and I guess it's just ingrained into me that scum want me gone soon and fast. If they don't nominate me, that means they have to deal with me for at least 2 more cycles. Especially because they don't know how much on the right track I am, I don't think they'll risk pushing me off (egotistical? maybe. But my track record shows lots of N1 deaths.)

That said, if they choose to do so, then that's cool too. I'm comfortable enough with my town play to know I'll do more than enough D2 to erase the suspicion of me not getting nominated.

As for the 3 townies idea: I understand the concern that people might treat the two not lynched candidates as "confirmed", but there's two things here.
1) If a scum is put up they are put under incredible pressure and attention, which isn't worth the "town" cred might want to get with it.
2) Even with 1 scum in the pool, there are 3 that aren't. We can hunt those no problem, especially if we follow my plan I outlined before, which puts even more pressure on the scum in the nomination.

On February 08 2013 15:19 slOosh wrote:
That said, we don't want to focus the discussion primarily on the candidates tomorrow. Because if three townies go up (probably the case), it is to scum's advantage to focus discussion on them.
1) Because it means attention drawn away from their selves.
2) Gives them ammunition to work off for future lynches.

In any case the discussion should also be driven and moderated and lead by the candidates. You know it's gonna be at least 2 townies, so by following their lead we will have good (town motivated) direction.

slOosh

3291 Posts

February 08 2013 16:19 GMT

#865

Ehh ... that last paragraph looks funky.
It's both: "reasons why scum probably won't put one of their own in", and "if they do it's not as big a problem as you think it is".
For the second part, refer to the "Survival v. Pushing Your Agenda" in the scum section of Incognito's guide:

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

February 08 2013 18:52 GMT

#866

Like I said, if even one scum dies, the game is increased by a day forcing another nomination.

The nomination phases are going to be good for us because they'll leave us a pattern to follow. Not that we should automatically assume that only townies will be nominated, this is not what I'm saying. But I'd be surprised if more than, say, one scum is ever nominated at a time. As a result we can start narrowing down who is scum BASED on the nomination phases. Scum will likely want as few nomination phases as possible.

I'm not trying to push this as what will happen. I'm providing my own opinion of how this mechanic is going to play out.

I'll be in and out over the course of the day. In a non-perverted sort of way.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

February 08 2013 20:22 GMT

#867

Let's just keep nomination speculation till later when we have more info and flips. Everyone savvy?

yamato77

11589 Posts

February 08 2013 20:29 GMT

#868

I've been saying this all night.

We have around five and a half hours until the day post, there's no reason to make any assumptions about how the nominations will play out until we see them and some flips.

slOosh

3291 Posts

February 08 2013 22:50 GMT

#869

Guys, there's nothing to speculate, either now or at morning. I've already outlined the optimal scum strategy and how I propose we counter it.

That said, tomorrow should be a day of scumhunting based primarily on D1 information, not D2 nomination candidacies. By forcing discussion to be centered on the former, we prevent scum from skating by with the latter. Only scum don't have meaningful reads by now.

Snarfs

Canada1006 Posts

February 09 2013 01:17 GMT

#870

No matter who gets picked, I really don't want to see anyone WIFOMing about why it happened. The lynch choice has to be whoever is most likely to be scum, or least likely to be town. The worst thing that can happen to this town is to waste time trying to guess why scum would pick whoever they end up picking.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

February 09 2013 01:31 GMT

#871

wow Snarfs, what a new and exciting concept. Thank you for this revelation.

Snarfs

Canada1006 Posts

February 09 2013 01:43 GMT

#872

On February 09 2013 10:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
wow Snarfs, what a new and exciting concept. Thank you for this revelation.

So I take it I can hold you to not WIFOMing about anything for the rest of the game, or else your scum? Noted.

Snarfs

Canada1006 Posts

February 09 2013 01:49 GMT

#873

On February 08 2013 22:20 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Up... I'll say that 3 town picks are likely but not guaranteed in the slightest. One scum could easily be in there. Either way, do not succumb to WIFOM and lynch someone just because they were / were not in the nomination. Just lynch the scummiest person who is nominated so we don't have to deal with them on a normal day. This is a distinct advantage for us because we purge the town of the scummiest person (within nominations) instead of scum killing the towniest of townies.

Anyways, I'll be around for a while if y'alls has les questions. Gonna prep some stuff for the following day.

Ah, I see you said the same thing. I need more sleep.

I just know that as soon as the list is posted there's going to be a bunch of people coming in here trying to determine WHY some people were chosen, and as long as ONE town does it, it's okay for scum to do it as well which fucks everything up. So I don't mind reiterating the point at all.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

February 09 2013 02:25 GMT

#874

Snarfs if you actually read the last 2 pages you'd realize that you were just copy+pasting what we all said, just hours after the fact. You blendy bro, you so friggen blendy.

Mocsta

Australia9389 Posts

February 09 2013 02:40 GMT

#875

Lol.

Points u said to snarf apply to yourself cc.

Anyways. I thought dawn was over 30min ago?

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 09 2013 02:42 GMT

#876

Day 2

The familiar timer ticked down, and with an electronic beep it hit zero. The voice began to speak. ""Intruder Extermination Proto..." before cutting off with a sound of metal on metal and circuitry. "Database Error"

"Attempting to proceed anyway"

"Intruder Extermination Protocol Online"

But only three numbers lit up this time.

#3 #8 #9

Frantic attempts to press any other numbers just yielded a stern mechanical "Error, Missing Entry"

Only one of these three people would die today.

slOosh
Mocsta
Palmar

Have been nominated and only they may be lynched

You have 48 hours to lynch