EPT2011-2012 football (soccer) thread - Page 404
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hns
Germany609 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Liverpool vs Chelsea part 2 tonight, Chelsea looking to keep faint hope alive of a 4th place finish with Liverpool looking for revenge from Saturday evening. Should be a good game i think, hoping Torres starts this time though  Oh yeah, mr German fans why is Marko Marin not in your Euro squad....Chelsea just sign him and he not even in the squad? | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On May 08 2012 08:11 Surrealistic wrote: So happy there's some Gomez criticism. Never thought he was shit hot, and seems to be quite lazily described as brilliant by people who don't follow the Bundesliga Here's Hollands provisional team.. Don't really know alot of the Eredivise based players. One glaring admission is Van Wolfswinkel, seemed quite impressive in the Europa League, injured? I don't think so, Van Marwijk was more impressed with Luuk de Jong for the last available striker spot. Luuk has had a terrific season for Twente despite their poor position in the league. With Van Persie, Huntelaar and de Jong that's enough strikers for the system we play. Though it's pretty weird to see players like Bouma and Wijnaldum be chosen. They were horrible in big matches and Europe. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Totally deserved. Oh and la liga won the best league in the world topping the premiership. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18635 Posts
On May 08 2012 16:43 Pandemona wrote: Blackburn game last night is just truth at how much fan power should be listened too, i can't see them selling out Ewood park week in week out next year if they still have the Venkys running the club, let alone Kean as manager. Quite sad really considering all what Blackburn used to be but times change and clubs evolve and you can safetly say Blackburn hasn't, oh well. Liverpool vs Chelsea part 2 tonight, Chelsea looking to keep faint hope alive of a 4th place finish with Liverpool looking for revenge from Saturday evening. Should be a good game i think, hoping Torres starts this time though Oh yeah, mr German fans why is Marko Marin not in your Euro squad....Chelsea just sign him and he not even in the squad? Marin has been invisible this season, I am actually surprised Chelsea signed him. | ||
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popzags
Poland604 Posts
On May 08 2012 17:18 Steveling wrote: In other news Barca won the Best team of the Decade award on the IFFHS ceremony among others. Totally deserved. Oh and la liga won the best league in the world topping the premiership. What? A league where two teams ridiculously pwn everyone else season after season won over a league, where everything can happen and every single team plays as it was fighting for it's life? Duh, maybe La Liga is way more spectacular to watch, but in terms of skill and competitiveness, Premier League owns pretty much any league I can think of. | ||
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Enchanted
United States1609 Posts
On May 08 2012 17:18 Steveling wrote: In other news Barca won the Best team of the Decade award on the IFFHS ceremony among others. Totally deserved. Oh and la liga won the best league in the world topping the premiership. Those awards were for last season. Not the team of the decade but the other ones. | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On May 08 2012 18:48 popzags wrote: What? A league where two teams ridiculously pwn everyone else season after season won over a league, where everything can happen and every single team plays as it was fighting for it's life? Duh, maybe La Liga is way more spectacular to watch, but in terms of skill and competitiveness, Premier League owns pretty much any league I can think of. So I just googled it because I was interested. In the last 16 years a total amount of 3 different teams have won te premiere league. Pretty diverse right there. Barca and real are dominating la liga, and probably more than it happens in other leagues. But it's not like it doesn't happen in other leagues. | ||
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Retric
Germany284 Posts
On May 08 2012 16:17 hns wrote: As much as I dislike the decision for Cacau under normal circumstances, I think it's understandable since the german team has basically just a week to prepare with all men together, since Bayern has to play CL finals and that dumb ass friendly vs the Netherlands. It's pretty hard to include someone new into the team with such limited preparation time while Cacau is a safe bet here. the friendly against netherlands is actually not dumb ass. bayern makes about 3 million because of that friendly, which will be the damages for the incompetence of the dutch doctor who was responsible for robbens big injury after the WC 2010. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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popzags
Poland604 Posts
On May 08 2012 19:38 Sated wrote: I like how you've neatly omitted Blackburn from your statement, who were just relegated yesterday. Well done. Also, you need to look closer at the details to get the full story. The same teams might compete for the title most years, but at least they're being pushed by the other teams in the league moreso than the top teams in La Liga are. Take this year, for example.
Going further back, Real Madrid and Barcelona have won the title 52 times between them and have never been relegated from the top flight. Manchester United and Liverpool have only won the top flight title 37 times between them and have both been relegated from the top flight. Moreover, only 9 teams have ever won Spain's top-flight; 23 teams have won England's.  You are puling words from my mouth Sated. Actually, to describe that, it's best to look at the story of Valencia, a team that once tried to compete with Real and Barca and pretended to be third bigass club from Spain. In short, they had plenty of success with Hector Cuper (two consecutive CL finals) and later, Rafa Benitez (winning La Liga, winning UEFA Cup). It was, however, all at cost of gigantic debt. Their bosses hoped that the success will fill their banking accounts back, but it didn't. Why? Because the sponsors think that, as a brand, Valencia can't compete with Real and Barca. So they sold their best players, sold old stadium to get out of trouble. Pretty much the same goes for Deportivo La Coruna, who took the league title in 2000 and even got to CL semifinals once. Incidentally, they could assemble a team that can take out the giants. But in a long run, the financial issues around La Liga are so imbalanced towards Great Two that anyone else has to step back. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
Btw FCBarcelona has won the european champions league with at least one of his sports sections (football, basketball, saloon football and handball) for 14 years in a row. Ed: Oh damn 17, cool :D | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
On May 08 2012 19:58 Salteador Neo wrote: Well fuck, Puyol got hurt in the knee so he won't play in the spanish cup finals against Athletic de Bilbao. Neither the Euro with Spain. Btw FCBarcelona has won the european champions league with at least one of his sports sections (football, basketball, saloon football and handball) for 14 years in a row. 17 years in a row mate. Also I'm happy that Puyol is going to miss the Euros. Our captain needs rest. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 08 2012 19:56 popzags wrote: You are puling words from my mouth Sated. Actually, to describe that, it's best to look at the story of Valencia, a team that once tried to compete with Real and Barca and pretended to be third bigass club from Spain. In short, they had plenty of success with Hector Cuper (two consecutive CL finals) and later, Rafa Benitez (winning La Liga, winning UEFA Cup). It was, however, all at cost of gigantic debt. Their bosses hoped that the success will fill their banking accounts back, but it didn't. Why? Because the sponsors think that, as a brand, Valencia can't compete with Real and Barca. So they sold their best players, sold old stadium to get out of trouble. Pretty much the same goes for Deportivo La Coruna, who took the league title in 2000 and even got to CL semifinals once. Incidentally, they could assemble a team that can take out the giants. But in a long run, the financial issues around La Liga are so imbalanced towards Great Two that anyone else has to step back. Dont worry its PL fanboyism, nothing you can do about it... Again this stuff keeps popping back all the time so Im just going to link this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249755¤tpage=20 Cash injections creating the illusion of emerging competition clearly makes it the leagues brilliance and not the fact that football exploded in the rest of the world and the English Premier league, happened to be .. well in English. Ofcourse you can say "its not our fault"were English and yea ofcourse. Right place right time. That having been said the only real superiority of the english game at the moment is its money and its popularity. Quality of football and aesthetic is subjective and the measures that they use for cross league rating is european performance. Spain rocked it this whether anyone likes it or not. Barca and Real might crush league teams at home but so did United and City this year. It is after all just for the year. I heard somewhere Fergie commenting that "they couldnt compete with City's financial clout". True or false ? Because if its true that just adds to another one of Fergie hypocricy's that frankly annoy me because hes such a boss and doesnt need to say shit like that. It is after all a culture he actively helped foster. Feel free to browse the pages either side to sate your appetites for this nonsense discussion that doesnt ever convince anyone otherwise O and while were at it Rovers didnt win 16 years ago. 94-95 do the math. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On May 08 2012 19:38 Sated wrote: I like how you've neatly omitted Blackburn from your statement, who were just relegated yesterday. Well done. Also, you need to look closer at the details to get the full story. The same teams might compete for the title most years, but at least they're being pushed by the other teams in the league moreso than the top teams in La Liga are. Take this year, for example.
Going further back, Real Madrid and Barcelona have won the title 52 times between them and have never been relegated from the top flight. Manchester United and Liverpool have only won the top flight title 37 times between them and have both been relegated from the top flight. Moreover, only 9 teams have ever won Spain's top-flight; 23 teams have won England's. Plus, I don't know the exact facts but I'd wager that the points gap between 1,2 and the rest in la liga has, in the past 20 years, been much larger on average than the premier league points gap. I think it comes down to the fact that before any given season in the Premier League you can say 'these 4-6 teams can definitely win the EPL this season'. With La liga it will realistically be 2-3...every season. And when you get halfway in the league, you are still saying 'these 4 teams have a chance of winning the EPL', and in the spanish league it's more liek 'yep it's a battle between these 2 and the rest don't matter.' Meh, I just think there is also more class going down the league, good competitive teams like fulham and stoke further down the pecking order which I just don't think exist around 10-14th. And then you have the performance of clubs that have been promoted to the PL. It's just insane, the best example being Newcastle who bounced back from their relegation with now fighting for a CL spot. Awesome league...really competitive with very few dead weights. Below Atletico, Valencia and I guess with their money Malaga, there really isn't much else going on in la liga. In the prem we have teams like fulham, everton, liverpool (although they should be competing for the title), stoke, sunderland...who are all great teams which have had glory in their past...and there you are missing out chelsea arsenal man u man city tottenham and newcastle. I just can't see how the long list of awesome clubs at EPL can be beaten by the la liga list which really tails off. Can you really compare the quality of everton liverpool and fulham to levante mallorca and osasuna? | ||
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hns
Germany609 Posts
On May 08 2012 19:19 Retric wrote: the friendly against netherlands is actually not dumb ass. bayern makes about 3 million because of that friendly, which will be the damages for the incompetence of the dutch doctor who was responsible for robbens big injury after the WC 2010. Yeah maybe it's not dumb from a financial perspective, but the timing is really really bad. | ||
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FreudianTrip
Switzerland1983 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.sportingintelligence.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/BRFC4.1.11ONE.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.sportingintelligence.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/BRFC4.1.11TWO.jpg) Steve Keans obviously bent as fuck but he's just a figurehead for Jerome Anderson at the end of the day. We can ignore it all we like but this is the absolute proof of how agents act on self interest rather than for the client and how this can be the destruction of a well-run club. The board aren't being consulted on anything. They've been marginalised. They have no input on transfers or the ability to terminate the manager. Everything that Blackburn have done this season can be put solely in the hands of SEM and Jerome Anderson. The Third Party player they mention btw is Mauro Formica. They also bought a Barcelona youth player for 500k, they payed 1.6 mil in agents fees. Jerome Anderson claims he recieved none of this money. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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