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On January 08 2011 00:28 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 23:44 Vimsey wrote:
I cant understand why people are saying SeleCT he is Korean. He qualifies for the code A prelims anyway because of his current Korean ladder rank.
I thought the point of this was to enable 4 foreigners a chance to qualify that dont play on the korean ladder and dont have anywhere to stay for the time they got out to qualify. If we vote for people who would qualify anyway its like taking away 4 more foreigners we could have had.
This needs to be approached in a different way.
John, find out who is available and can make the trip first out of ones who don't qualify from the ladder anyway and then maybe approach us or get day9 to organise a tournament for them to decide amongst themselves. This is exactly why Select, Huk and Haypro should be considered for the 4 Code A foreigner spots. They are already in Korea, so they have the experience of playing on the Korean server for a couple of months. Plus, they are settled, so they don't need to adjust to any transition bumps. They have the best shots of making it far in the Code A tournaments and hopefully achieve Code S. Select is ethnically Korean, but he has dual citizenship and was living in the United States for a while. So, he's Korean-American. When Korean-Americans travel to South Korea, they are seen has foreigners because people can tell by how they act differently and how they speak.
You dont get what I am saying they ALREADY QUALIFY ANYWAY except maybe hader who might not be in the top 170 or so on ladder and they already have somewhere to stay as well.
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On January 08 2011 01:13 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2011 00:28 ptbl wrote:On January 07 2011 23:44 Vimsey wrote:
I cant understand why people are saying SeleCT he is Korean. He qualifies for the code A prelims anyway because of his current Korean ladder rank.
I thought the point of this was to enable 4 foreigners a chance to qualify that dont play on the korean ladder and dont have anywhere to stay for the time they got out to qualify. If we vote for people who would qualify anyway its like taking away 4 more foreigners we could have had.
This needs to be approached in a different way.
John, find out who is available and can make the trip first out of ones who don't qualify from the ladder anyway and then maybe approach us or get day9 to organise a tournament for them to decide amongst themselves. This is exactly why Select, Huk and Haypro should be considered for the 4 Code A foreigner spots. They are already in Korea, so they have the experience of playing on the Korean server for a couple of months. Plus, they are settled, so they don't need to adjust to any transition bumps. They have the best shots of making it far in the Code A tournaments and hopefully achieve Code S. Select is ethnically Korean, but he has dual citizenship and was living in the United States for a while. So, he's Korean-American. When Korean-Americans travel to South Korea, they are seen has foreigners because people can tell by how they act differently and how they speak. Not sure how accurate your information is since I thought Select has spent a majority of his life in Korea and only stayed abroad for his studies during the last few years, and also how long it usually takes to obtain the US citizenship. However, I will take your word for it, but you cannot give a privilege meant for real foreigners to someone who holds a Korean citizenship even if he has a dual citizenship and is considered by some Koreans to be a "foreigner". Select is pretty much fluent in Korean and speaks a somewhat broken English from what I can tell. I think he has a limit to how long he can stay in Korea each year because of the army issues anyway. I think his family has moved to the US but he did grow up in Korea he really doesnt speak English well at all though that isnt always an indicator of how long you have spent somewhere its a good clue. And in any case he is in the top 10 of the Korean ladder anyway so again he is going to qualify for the prelims in any case.
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On January 08 2011 02:48 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2011 00:28 ptbl wrote:On January 07 2011 23:44 Vimsey wrote:
I cant understand why people are saying SeleCT he is Korean. He qualifies for the code A prelims anyway because of his current Korean ladder rank.
I thought the point of this was to enable 4 foreigners a chance to qualify that dont play on the korean ladder and dont have anywhere to stay for the time they got out to qualify. If we vote for people who would qualify anyway its like taking away 4 more foreigners we could have had.
This needs to be approached in a different way.
John, find out who is available and can make the trip first out of ones who don't qualify from the ladder anyway and then maybe approach us or get day9 to organise a tournament for them to decide amongst themselves. This is exactly why Select, Huk and Haypro should be considered for the 4 Code A foreigner spots. They are already in Korea, so they have the experience of playing on the Korean server for a couple of months. Plus, they are settled, so they don't need to adjust to any transition bumps. They have the best shots of making it far in the Code A tournaments and hopefully achieve Code S. Select is ethnically Korean, but he has dual citizenship and was living in the United States for a while. So, he's Korean-American. When Korean-Americans travel to South Korea, they are seen has foreigners because people can tell by how they act differently and how they speak. You dont get what I am saying they ALREADY QUALIFY ANYWAY except maybe hader who might not be in the top 170 or so on ladder and they already have somewhere to stay as well.
I do get what you're trying to say, but Code A invites aren't a form of social aid. If other players and teams are ambitious enough, they will move to Korea and try to qualify as well.
Liquid did it first, their players already have experience training in a professional environment and have improved their play in general. They invested a lot of money in that and it was a risky venture to get into, so both the team and players -deserve- the invite over some other players who will basically get flown to Korea and thrown into a Code A tournament... just like that.
If for nothing else, HuK/Hayder deserve it because they're more likely to be successful. I'd rather have the absolute best (remaining) foreigners get invited than inviting some people who will probably not play nearly as good in Korea and hoping Huk & Hayder qualify.
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MaDFroG
TT1
CatZ
iNcontroL
I know it's kind of a random list, but I think these are four very entertaining players who could make waves in the GSL with their unique and fun styles of play.
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On January 08 2011 02:48 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2011 00:28 ptbl wrote:On January 07 2011 23:44 Vimsey wrote:
I cant understand why people are saying SeleCT he is Korean. He qualifies for the code A prelims anyway because of his current Korean ladder rank.
I thought the point of this was to enable 4 foreigners a chance to qualify that dont play on the korean ladder and dont have anywhere to stay for the time they got out to qualify. If we vote for people who would qualify anyway its like taking away 4 more foreigners we could have had.
This needs to be approached in a different way.
John, find out who is available and can make the trip first out of ones who don't qualify from the ladder anyway and then maybe approach us or get day9 to organise a tournament for them to decide amongst themselves. This is exactly why Select, Huk and Haypro should be considered for the 4 Code A foreigner spots. They are already in Korea, so they have the experience of playing on the Korean server for a couple of months. Plus, they are settled, so they don't need to adjust to any transition bumps. They have the best shots of making it far in the Code A tournaments and hopefully achieve Code S. Select is ethnically Korean, but he has dual citizenship and was living in the United States for a while. So, he's Korean-American. When Korean-Americans travel to South Korea, they are seen has foreigners because people can tell by how they act differently and how they speak. You dont get what I am saying they ALREADY QUALIFY ANYWAY except maybe hader who might not be in the top 170 or so on ladder and they already have somewhere to stay as well.
I think you misunderstand this qualification process. You cannot automatically qualify for GSL based on your ladder rank. There are qualification matches that you would have to go through despite your ladder rank. The only people who do not have to do these matches are the foreigner invites, and the demoted S class, or retained A class players form last season.
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Huk (being on top of eu, na and now korean ladder)
demuslim !! (he's just great player... I can't understand why we don't see more of him)
dimaga (best zerg outside code S)
whitera (legend)
(tlo if you can make him come back to korea : ) )
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Well if you pick those already out there who already have the financial aid and ability to claim a ladder spot then you basically shut the door on anyone else doing the same thing in the future or new foreign teams that might of thought of trying the same like Dignitas, Fnatic or Mouz.
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On January 08 2011 03:00 McMonty wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2011 02:48 Vimsey wrote:On January 08 2011 00:28 ptbl wrote:On January 07 2011 23:44 Vimsey wrote:
I cant understand why people are saying SeleCT he is Korean. He qualifies for the code A prelims anyway because of his current Korean ladder rank.
I thought the point of this was to enable 4 foreigners a chance to qualify that dont play on the korean ladder and dont have anywhere to stay for the time they got out to qualify. If we vote for people who would qualify anyway its like taking away 4 more foreigners we could have had.
This needs to be approached in a different way.
John, find out who is available and can make the trip first out of ones who don't qualify from the ladder anyway and then maybe approach us or get day9 to organise a tournament for them to decide amongst themselves. This is exactly why Select, Huk and Haypro should be considered for the 4 Code A foreigner spots. They are already in Korea, so they have the experience of playing on the Korean server for a couple of months. Plus, they are settled, so they don't need to adjust to any transition bumps. They have the best shots of making it far in the Code A tournaments and hopefully achieve Code S. Select is ethnically Korean, but he has dual citizenship and was living in the United States for a while. So, he's Korean-American. When Korean-Americans travel to South Korea, they are seen has foreigners because people can tell by how they act differently and how they speak. You dont get what I am saying they ALREADY QUALIFY ANYWAY except maybe hader who might not be in the top 170 or so on ladder and they already have somewhere to stay as well. I think you misunderstand this qualification process. You cannot automatically qualify for GSL based on your ladder rank. There are qualification matches that you would have to go through despite your ladder rank. The only people who do not have to do these matches are the foreigner invites, and the demoted S class, or retained A class players form last season.
Yup, this is correct. Just because they are high on the Korean ladder doesn't mean they will automatically get Code A. Being high on the ladder gives them the right to compete in the preliminaries for Code A.
For the 4 foreigner Code A, the players don't have to go through the preliminaries. They would automatically be slotted into Code A.
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On January 08 2011 03:00 McMonty wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2011 02:48 Vimsey wrote:On January 08 2011 00:28 ptbl wrote:On January 07 2011 23:44 Vimsey wrote:
I cant understand why people are saying SeleCT he is Korean. He qualifies for the code A prelims anyway because of his current Korean ladder rank.
I thought the point of this was to enable 4 foreigners a chance to qualify that dont play on the korean ladder and dont have anywhere to stay for the time they got out to qualify. If we vote for people who would qualify anyway its like taking away 4 more foreigners we could have had.
This needs to be approached in a different way.
John, find out who is available and can make the trip first out of ones who don't qualify from the ladder anyway and then maybe approach us or get day9 to organise a tournament for them to decide amongst themselves. This is exactly why Select, Huk and Haypro should be considered for the 4 Code A foreigner spots. They are already in Korea, so they have the experience of playing on the Korean server for a couple of months. Plus, they are settled, so they don't need to adjust to any transition bumps. They have the best shots of making it far in the Code A tournaments and hopefully achieve Code S. Select is ethnically Korean, but he has dual citizenship and was living in the United States for a while. So, he's Korean-American. When Korean-Americans travel to South Korea, they are seen has foreigners because people can tell by how they act differently and how they speak. You dont get what I am saying they ALREADY QUALIFY ANYWAY except maybe hader who might not be in the top 170 or so on ladder and they already have somewhere to stay as well. I think you misunderstand this qualification process. You cannot automatically qualify for GSL based on your ladder rank. There are qualification matches that you would have to go through despite your ladder rank. The only people who do not have to do these matches are the foreigner invites, and the demoted S class, or retained A class players form last season.
from this post http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors1/news/52018
- Code S : 32 players ranked from 1~32
- Code A : 32 players ranked from 33~64(4 recommended foreign players will be seeded, mainly winners of other worldwide tournaments)
- Code B : 172 players that are not in Code S or Code A and are the top ranked players from the Diamond League in the Korean Battle.net server. (Foreign players can always compete in the Preliminary Rounds for Code A disregarding their ladder point.)
- Interaction between Code A and Code S : Up and Down matches
- Interaction between Code B and Code A : Preliminary Rounds for Code A
172 players coming from the Korean Battle.net server I think its safe to say they would make the cut and if they cant make that cut then its probably better it went to someone else anyway.
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On January 08 2011 03:13 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2011 03:00 McMonty wrote:On January 08 2011 02:48 Vimsey wrote:On January 08 2011 00:28 ptbl wrote:On January 07 2011 23:44 Vimsey wrote:
I cant understand why people are saying SeleCT he is Korean. He qualifies for the code A prelims anyway because of his current Korean ladder rank.
I thought the point of this was to enable 4 foreigners a chance to qualify that dont play on the korean ladder and dont have anywhere to stay for the time they got out to qualify. If we vote for people who would qualify anyway its like taking away 4 more foreigners we could have had.
This needs to be approached in a different way.
John, find out who is available and can make the trip first out of ones who don't qualify from the ladder anyway and then maybe approach us or get day9 to organise a tournament for them to decide amongst themselves. This is exactly why Select, Huk and Haypro should be considered for the 4 Code A foreigner spots. They are already in Korea, so they have the experience of playing on the Korean server for a couple of months. Plus, they are settled, so they don't need to adjust to any transition bumps. They have the best shots of making it far in the Code A tournaments and hopefully achieve Code S. Select is ethnically Korean, but he has dual citizenship and was living in the United States for a while. So, he's Korean-American. When Korean-Americans travel to South Korea, they are seen has foreigners because people can tell by how they act differently and how they speak. You dont get what I am saying they ALREADY QUALIFY ANYWAY except maybe hader who might not be in the top 170 or so on ladder and they already have somewhere to stay as well. I think you misunderstand this qualification process. You cannot automatically qualify for GSL based on your ladder rank. There are qualification matches that you would have to go through despite your ladder rank. The only people who do not have to do these matches are the foreigner invites, and the demoted S class, or retained A class players form last season. Show nested quote +- Code S : 32 players ranked from 1~32
- Code A : 32 players ranked from 33~64(4 recommended foreign players will be seeded, mainly winners of other worldwide tournaments)
- Code B : 172 players that are not in Code S or Code A and are the top ranked players from the Diamond League in the Korean Battle.net server. (Foreign players can always compete in the Preliminary Rounds for Code A disregarding their ladder point.)
- Interaction between Code A and Code S : Up and Down matches
- Interaction between Code B and Code A : Preliminary Rounds for Code A 172 players coming from the Korean Battle.net server I think its safe to say they would make the cut and if they cant make that cut then its probably better it went to someone else anyway.
The 172 players are for Code B. In order to be Code A, the people in Code B would have to go through preliminaries. Interaction between Code B and Code A : Preliminary Rounds for Code A . For the 4 code A spots, you don't have to be Code B nor go through the preliminaries.
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Edit i misread, feel so stupid now duh
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On January 08 2011 03:18 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2011 03:09 ptbl wrote:On January 08 2011 03:00 McMonty wrote:On January 08 2011 02:48 Vimsey wrote:On January 08 2011 00:28 ptbl wrote:On January 07 2011 23:44 Vimsey wrote:
I cant understand why people are saying SeleCT he is Korean. He qualifies for the code A prelims anyway because of his current Korean ladder rank.
I thought the point of this was to enable 4 foreigners a chance to qualify that dont play on the korean ladder and dont have anywhere to stay for the time they got out to qualify. If we vote for people who would qualify anyway its like taking away 4 more foreigners we could have had.
This needs to be approached in a different way.
John, find out who is available and can make the trip first out of ones who don't qualify from the ladder anyway and then maybe approach us or get day9 to organise a tournament for them to decide amongst themselves. This is exactly why Select, Huk and Haypro should be considered for the 4 Code A foreigner spots. They are already in Korea, so they have the experience of playing on the Korean server for a couple of months. Plus, they are settled, so they don't need to adjust to any transition bumps. They have the best shots of making it far in the Code A tournaments and hopefully achieve Code S. Select is ethnically Korean, but he has dual citizenship and was living in the United States for a while. So, he's Korean-American. When Korean-Americans travel to South Korea, they are seen has foreigners because people can tell by how they act differently and how they speak. You dont get what I am saying they ALREADY QUALIFY ANYWAY except maybe hader who might not be in the top 170 or so on ladder and they already have somewhere to stay as well. I think you misunderstand this qualification process. You cannot automatically qualify for GSL based on your ladder rank. There are qualification matches that you would have to go through despite your ladder rank. The only people who do not have to do these matches are the foreigner invites, and the demoted S class, or retained A class players form last season. Yup, this is correct. Just because they are high on the Korean ladder doesn't mean they will automatically get Code A. Being high on the ladder gives them the right to compete in the preliminaries for Code A. For the 4 foreigner Code A, the players don't have to go through the preliminaries. They would automatically be slotted into Code A. No wrong they dont go into Code A they go into code B (Code A preliminaries) along with 172 ladder qualifiers.
Yeah, I expanded upon it in this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182139¤tpage=40#790
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On January 08 2011 03:18 Vimsey wrote:
Edit i misread, feel so stupid now duh
Sorry, I should have been more clearer. Anyway, whoever gets picked for the 4 Code A foreigner spots, I'll support them 100 percent. Foreigners fighting!
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On January 08 2011 03:22 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2011 03:18 Vimsey wrote:
Edit i misread, feel so stupid now duh Sorry, I should have been more clearer. Anyway, whoever gets picked for the 4 Code A foreigner spots, I'll support them 100 percent. Foreigners fighting!
I should have read it properly. Yea I will drink to that 
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The choice looks pretty straightforward to me.
1. Huk: he's by far the best ranked foreigner on the Korean ladder.
2. Naama: he won Dreamhack.
3. Fenix: he won at NY comic-con.
4. Sen or TLO: they're the only ones, besides those currently in Code A/Code S, to defeat an opponent in a GSL match.
Other contenders:
Morrow ? Not good enough as Zerg yet.
Brat_OK ? I doubt he'll be able to leave Russia.
Haypro ? No.
Tyler ? Said he wasn't interested in competing in Korea.
Sjow ? Good Terran overall, but plays terrible when stakes are high.
Kiwikaki ? He would become amazing if he trained in a team house in Korea for a couple of months, but otherwise, no.
TTOne ? Haven't seen him play in quite a while.
Mana ? Maybe...
Socke ? QXC ? Dimaga ? WhiteRa ? All very solid. But do they really stand a chance against top Korean players ?
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Mana as he seems to be the best foreign protoss currently.
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My choices:
1. HuK: Best foreigner on korean ladder
2. BratOK: Sick terran, he almost never cheeses, and always gives entertaining and good games
3. White-ra: Grandpa of all protoss
4. Empire.Kas: This one's really really good, he's probably the best euro terran around right now
Other candidates
5. DIMAGA: Fun to watch, good player
6. Mana: Solid protoss all-round.
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Ok,I think I have to go with...
1.Nerchio:Ranked first in EU at one time playing random,he plays awesome every time I've watched him
2.Mana: I really like his playstyle and think he'd have a good chance
3.Sjow: He's just so solid and performs well almost every single time+I've stolen many of his ideas as Terran ^^
4.TLO: If he's feeling better,I believe that he can start crushing those Korean noobs once again
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1. MoonGlade - best SEA player
2. HuK - probably the best foreigner in the korean ladder
3. Naama - dreamhack winner
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Kiwikaki, almost qualified for GLS 3
Socke, hes really good and really smart.
and 2 more, hopefully one Z.
No terrans US/EU terrans i dont think they can compete with the current GSL players. The foreing terran style is to weak agains the korean strats.
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EPT
