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On January 14 2012 06:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 06:48 Mattchew wrote:On January 14 2012 06:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
masons rely on their ability to read people and read posts to get a good view of someone. Catching someone in pms is not as easy as everyone thinks it is and historically towns have town far more retarded things there than good. this. 100 times over. There is a greater chance scum misleads masons then there is masons catching scum in pm's. Disagree. Maybe I put too much faith into the town's collective ability to think coherently but I maintain that it is easier to catch a scum via PM then it is for a townie to be mislead by scum.
you are putting too much faith in town. Look at wiggles mini mafia and XLVIII (best examples with this many new players), also both games I was apart of
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On January 14 2012 07:01 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 06:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:Sheth....For real? That is your reason for voting for someones who already stated that their activity will be waning? Would all it take to get you to change to BC or Sandroba be a declaration of lynching Ciry or is it just because he has already chosen his lynch target? Bill, I don't really think Sandroba is scum because he called for a mason mass claim. So did BC in a round-a-bout way. I personally don't view the role with much power, so I don't know. I've been trying all day to think of a way to make it useful, but seriously, just ignoring pms this game seems the most highly logical play I could think of. I mean, I'm still gonna try and pm you. <3 Ya Buddddddddy.  Welcome back. They haven't stated their activity will be waning. No just switching to lynching Cir wouldn't cause me to switch my vote. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 06:48 Mattchew wrote:On January 14 2012 06:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
masons rely on their ability to read people and read posts to get a good view of someone. Catching someone in pms is not as easy as everyone thinks it is and historically towns have town far more retarded things there than good. this. 100 times over. There is a greater chance scum misleads masons then there is masons catching scum in pm's. If you believe there is a greater chance scum misleads town, do you think this applies to talking in the thread as well? Why would you post that Mattchew? Its all about thinking things through and not using WIFOM. You and BC are both using things that aren't applicable to this game. This isn't a past game and this game is all about thinking, its not obvious that one side or the other will be able to deceive their opponent. Its about who thinks and acts the best for their side.
Because its power in numbers. The scum is a team, we are individuals, 10 heads are better than others. The smart safe play is assuming that pm'ing scum and scum pm'ing is more dangerous to town then vice versa.
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On January 14 2012 07:01 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 06:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:Sheth....For real? That is your reason for voting for someones who already stated that their activity will be waning? Would all it take to get you to change to BC or Sandroba be a declaration of lynching Ciry or is it just because he has already chosen his lynch target? Bill, I don't really think Sandroba is scum because he called for a mason mass claim. So did BC in a round-a-bout way. I personally don't view the role with much power, so I don't know. I've been trying all day to think of a way to make it useful, but seriously, just ignoring pms this game seems the most highly logical play I could think of. I mean, I'm still gonna try and pm you. <3 Ya Buddddddddy. Welcome back. They haven't stated their activity will be waning. No just switching to lynching Cir wouldn't cause me to switch my vote.
That was stated prior to the game start. I'm just curious as to your reasons for voting for them and the only reason I find is he is willing to lynch ciry. You didn't really say as to why and I found that scummy, so I guess it begs the question, why are you voting for protact?
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kitaman27
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On January 14 2012 07:01 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 06:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Jayjay pardon if this sounds patronizing but (correct me if I'm wrong) you've never played in a PM game or seen how powerful they can be. For a decent townie, PMs are extremely useful. As I've already said, mafia PMs are less useful. Bc did just give an example but like I said in my previous post, it's a bad example and not representative of PMs on a whole.
My point is this. A player like bc can be deadly with PMs as town, as scum it's much harder to be effective in a normal game so the damage he can do is significantly less as scum. Man, don't worry about it, you're fine <3 I am just glad that I joined and having some fun here  I guess we agree that a powerful town mason can most certainly find scum. I guess we also agree that a powerful scum mason can cause a lot of destruction. Town already has a percentage where he ends up PMing town. And the whole mafia thread backs up every PM to prevent scumslips. Mafia ends up PMing 100% a townie and they will not choose the good players, because they know that they would be at risk. They talk to weaker players and there's a good chance that things are screwed up or a role is found. So again, I think scum mason > town mason and I stand by that, even if I was never involved in such a game. It's just the way my logic sees it. You say, BC can be deadly as town and you're right. Yet he chooses to give away this advantage, because he thinks scum PMs are too strong and even makes it a priority topic. Also, mafia would never mason him, because he's a strong player.
What you're overlooking is that a scum mason Palmar probably isn't going to be masoning Macpo, he is likely going to want to talk to bugs or sandroba. The people who are going to be targeted by masons are experienced players because those are the people it is most beneficial to bounce ideas off of. If experienced scum A is masoned with experienced town B, town has the advantage. If we learn that Foolishness is masoning random noob x and secretly trying to role fish and convince him to vig shoot a likely townie, well then he has to risk having the incriminating logs posted against him later on.
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This is an interesting conversation, you haven't convinced me but some good points have been brought up. What happens if a mason chooses not to claim when you all order them to? Do you lynch him the second he comes out on the policy of LaL? I just feel like this whole plan is very shortsighted.
And on that note I'd like to get back to the mayor/sheriff discussion. The last thing we want is to get completely sidetracked day 1. Bc's claim created good discussion and created a lot of material however we need to refocus and get done what needs to be done.
I still support BC to be my sheriff, however given that a lot of people are nervous of him because of his claim I'd like to remind people that Kita is my second choice. If you can't bring yourself to vote BC then vote kita. He's made some good points and he's probably best option behind bc.
I'd really like to hear from L right now. He's the only really good vet who hasn't checked in yet and I'd love to hear what he has to say about mayor.
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On January 14 2012 07:10 kitaman27 wrote:
What you're overlooking is that a scum mason Palmar probably isn't going to be masoning Macpo, he is likely going to want to talk to bugs or sandroba. The people who are going to be targeted by masons are experienced players because those are the people it is most beneficial to bounce ideas off of.
If experienced scum A is masoned with experienced town B, town has the advantage.
If we learn that Foolishness is masoning random noob x and secretly trying to role fish and convince him to vig shoot a likely townie, well then he has to risk having the incriminating logs posted against him later on.
the first two blocks totally contradict themselves. you say if an experienced scum masons experienced town, town has an advantage. Alright, I agree. Then why the hell would mafia mason an experienced player and get into a disadvantageous position?
and of course foolishness would wind up being revealed and not make sure that "scum doesn't have to know I am mason, please don't tell thread" in a convincing way. Come on. It is much more subtle than that. And I am quite sure that they would target the weaker players.
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On January 14 2012 07:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
This is an interesting conversation, you haven't convinced me but some good points have been brought up. What happens if a mason chooses not to claim when you all order them to? Do you lynch him the second he comes out on the policy of LaL? I just feel like this whole plan is very shortsighted.
And on that note I'd like to get back to the mayor/sheriff discussion. The last thing we want is to get completely sidetracked day 1. Bc's claim created good discussion and created a lot of material however we need to refocus and get done what needs to be done.
I still support BC to be my sheriff, however given that a lot of people are nervous of him because of his claim I'd like to remind people that Kita is my second choice. If you can't bring yourself to vote BC then vote kita. He's made some good points and he's probably best option behind bc.
I'd really like to hear from L right now. He's the only really good vet who hasn't checked in yet and I'd love to hear what he has to say about mayor.
who is you? (curiosity not accusatory)
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BC is obviously town and I'm voting for him.
I lean towards having all masons claim today, but I can see the argument against it as well. Honestly, though, I don't see how being in the open as masons will prevent town masons from operating fully.
By the way, Palmar should not be given a free pass to post badly on day 1 so that he won't be killed night 1. That's just silly logic.
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game started: a million pages.
hi guys im Kenpachi and im a townie 4 rela
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United States2095 Posts
On January 14 2012 07:10 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 07:01 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On January 14 2012 06:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:Sheth....For real? That is your reason for voting for someones who already stated that their activity will be waning? Would all it take to get you to change to BC or Sandroba be a declaration of lynching Ciry or is it just because he has already chosen his lynch target? Bill, I don't really think Sandroba is scum because he called for a mason mass claim. So did BC in a round-a-bout way. I personally don't view the role with much power, so I don't know. I've been trying all day to think of a way to make it useful, but seriously, just ignoring pms this game seems the most highly logical play I could think of. I mean, I'm still gonna try and pm you. <3 Ya Buddddddddy. Welcome back. They haven't stated their activity will be waning. No just switching to lynching Cir wouldn't cause me to switch my vote. That was stated prior to the game start. I'm just curious as to your reasons for voting for them and the only reason I find is he is willing to lynch ciry. You didn't really say as to why and I found that scummy, so I guess it begs the question, why are you voting for protact?
You find a small point of my post, and call it scummy. You haven't complained about anyone else's votes and yet you consider that scummy. I wasn't even the first person to put my vote on him, but once its possibly gaining steam you point out that what I'm doing is scummy. You've also claimed to be our second Mason for those who missed it, as I didn't realize it until I read your filter.
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lol sorry Mattchew, should read "you all.". Was directed at anyone who I had talked to on this and previous page about masons.
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id like a gist of what is going on right now
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On January 14 2012 07:22 Kenpachi wrote:
game started: a million pages.
hi guys im Kenpachi and im a townie 4 rela
funny. Scrolling my notes to see how got nothing in there and figured you (along with some other people) should start talking.
I haz superpowerz making you show up here telepathically?
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United States2095 Posts
As for why I'm voting for Protactinium for Mayor :
He straight up goes after who he thinks is posting badly. I feel like everyone else has simply said they'll do this, while Protactinium is actually doing it.
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On January 14 2012 07:25 Kenpachi wrote:
id like a gist of what is going on right now
Mayoral discussion has been shelved temporarily to discuss the Mason mechanic in this game, because BC claimed mason and is seeking election. I suggest reading the Candidacy posts and then skipping ahead to the Mason stuff so you can weigh in the mason matter before it's closed and we start discussing exclusively the election.
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United States2095 Posts
On January 14 2012 07:25 Kenpachi wrote:
id like a gist of what is going on right now
People are saying stuff. Its day1. There are lots of pages to read. Ignorance will not be treated well.
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On January 14 2012 07:30 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 07:25 Kenpachi wrote:
id like a gist of what is going on right now People are saying stuff. Its day1. There are lots of pages to read. Ignorance will not be treated well.
Come on Sheth, lighten up. 
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On January 14 2012 07:23 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 07:10 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 14 2012 07:01 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On January 14 2012 06:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:Sheth....For real? That is your reason for voting for someones who already stated that their activity will be waning? Would all it take to get you to change to BC or Sandroba be a declaration of lynching Ciry or is it just because he has already chosen his lynch target? Bill, I don't really think Sandroba is scum because he called for a mason mass claim. So did BC in a round-a-bout way. I personally don't view the role with much power, so I don't know. I've been trying all day to think of a way to make it useful, but seriously, just ignoring pms this game seems the most highly logical play I could think of. I mean, I'm still gonna try and pm you. <3 Ya Buddddddddy. Welcome back. They haven't stated their activity will be waning. No just switching to lynching Cir wouldn't cause me to switch my vote. That was stated prior to the game start. I'm just curious as to your reasons for voting for them and the only reason I find is he is willing to lynch ciry. You didn't really say as to why and I found that scummy, so I guess it begs the question, why are you voting for protact? You find a small point of my post, and call it scummy. You haven't complained about anyone else's votes and yet you consider that scummy. I wasn't even the first person to put my vote on him, but once its possibly gaining steam you point out that what I'm doing is scummy. You've also claimed to be our second Mason for those who missed it, as I didn't realize it until I read your filter.
A small point? Voting for mayor...is a small point? I want to clarify that also AS YOU DODGE my question. And just because they did it without attracting my written attention means I can't address you without addressing them? Srsly. Bad argument is bad argument.
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On January 13 2012 19:14 kingjames01 wrote:
Finally, I would like official confirmation:
Can the elected players be roleblocked?
Also, is it possible to vote for Double Lynch on Day 1?
No.
No.
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