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Craton
United States17281 Posts
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Gihi
384 Posts
I'ved heard via via that a new Intel processor is coming out in about 2 weeks. My friend told me it would be like 30% more energy efficient (Hence being cooler I assume) and that it would be about the same as the 4770 aside from that. Now I only found the 4771 on Intel's website. Could someone give me some more info on this? There's no 4771k so no overclocking? Any reasons I would buy it instead of a 4770k? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
The 30% more efficiency thing is probably bringing Ivy Bridge to LGA2011. We got Ivy Bridge on the desktop in early 2012 and since got Haswell, so we already have that, but the 6 core dudes with weaker per-core performance did not - it's not super impactful anyway | ||
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Gihi
384 Posts
On September 06 2013 08:23 Cyro wrote: He's probably talking about Ivy-Bridge E, 6 core on last gen architecture which is releasing. It's LGA2011, more expensive and if you don't know a ton of details about it, it's probably not even going to be better for you than a current gen 4670k/4770k (which have better singlethreaded performance) The 30% more efficiency thing is probably bringing Ivy Bridge to LGA2011. We got Ivy Bridge on the desktop in early 2012 and since got Haswell, so we already have that, but the 6 core dudes with weaker per-core performance did not - it's not super impactful anyway Thanks! I found this overview in a review on Techspot : ![[image loading]](http://static.techspot.com/articles-info/708/images/Image_01T.jpg) So, as far as I can tell apart the differences. 4 Channel means faster RAM access since it could treat 4 sticks as 1? I know the cache is some sort of fast access memory, but will 8 vs 10/12 MB affect my computer's performance in games? The 4930K has a hexa-core, this means that heavy multi threading applications like media editing software will benefit a great deal from it right? But I've also read that the single threaded performance is slightly less than the 4770k, so will it be less powerful for most games? On the benchmark part of the review the 4770K scores higher on 3DMark 06 and PCMark 7, which are futuremark's gaming & general performance tests if I'm not mistaken. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
The i7-4770k (and i5-4670k) are using a newer design. That's why they are looking better in a lot of benchmarks or things like SC2 fps when there's battles with large supply going on. The cache size in that table seems to not matter much. There's several layers of cache and the design seems to matter more. The amount of memory bandwidth gets hidden well from the cores so you nearly can't find benchmarks that show a difference. The other CPUs in that table are actually all using an older design. They are related to the business range of Intel products. Intel takes one year (or two?) longer to finish the workstation and server CPUs based on the same design as what gets thrown at normal consumers a year faster. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
With a weaker CPU (like sandy bridge qm trying to run game and then encode on 2.2ghz) Also, what upload do you have, kinda important for recommending the other settings | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
look there for the current quality of stream. speeds: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2951143667 FPS I'd like to be as close to 30 as possible, res is fine at 480 atm I know my connection can't handle higher. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
CS:GO with first person cam and i think more CPU usage than sc2 would probably be notably harder on the cpu | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/O6S2VyQ.png) Video Quality This is what I got for faster. I probably won't ever be streaming SC2 as it's too much effort. Edit: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/97Kl9eP.png) Video Quality This was for fast. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
(I spend a lot of time streaming Dota as well so there is no point making massive changes just for cs) Thanks for the help Cyro! | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
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z0rz
United States350 Posts
superfast- http://i.imgur.com/JDyjulu.jpg veryfast- http://i.imgur.com/lfmI2KT.jpg slow- http://i.imgur.com/AmrJHjj.jpg This wasn't a very thorough test because I was only interested in the quality differences of the presets, so I didn't graph CPU usage or anything like that. Just wanted to see if there was even a perceivable difference between veryfast and slow. You can see it in the screenshot, but it's a lot harder to notice in motion. Superfast looks like shit, as expected. Moral of the story -- slower presets help a tiny bit if you have the horsepower, but don't expect any miracles. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
The problem is because of such a small form, I can't think of a good way to place the stuff. I currently have 4 fans push/pull on my H100, a 230mm intake at the front, and 140mm exhaust out the back. My options are: 1) Keep the H100 as top exhaust and 230 as front intake. Run H80 as rear exhaust. Problem: I'd have to redrill some holes to move the top slot forward enough to make room over the rear vent. Also, even running pull only on the H100 it covers up 1/3 of the vertical space in front of the rear exhaust vent. Push/pull on it would take it to 1/2. 2) H100 as front intake, 2x120 for top exhaust, H80 as rear exhaust. Problem: loses out HDD bays. For my 2 SSDs that's not really an issue, but I'd have to screw down or velcro(???) my HDD storage disk. I'd also be pulling hot air into my case across the CPU radiator. If I switch and go top intake rear intake, front exhaust then I blow hot air into my face (although I guess I could always just move my computer). 3) H100 as top exhaust/intake. H80 as front intake + another 120 as front intake below that. Problem: I'd have to drill holes to move the top vent back. I'd lose out on my rear exhaust vent (or mount an external rear exhaust fan ... ?) 4) Keep my current setup. Let the H80 radiator just chill out in the middle of my case, maybe zip tie to my HDD tray. Problem: Janky as fuck. Also the GPU radiator would be circulating hot air in the middle of my case. 5) Sell my H100 and return H80. Buy a real water cooling system. Problem: $ I probably could've avoided all of this by using a single water loop with a real pump/reservoir/radiator instead of closed loop solutions but this box ends up being moved around a lot and I don't want to deal with the risk of having something go whups in case I forgot to plug the reservoir. Also I initially didn't want to shell out for a GPU water block/plate and the H100i was on super sale. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
2) H100 as front intake I'd also be pulling hot air into my case across the CPU radiator How? Intaking room temperature air should give you cooler temps, case air will be at best the same temperature as outside air I'd go with option #2, lowest cpu temps but it wouldn't matter a ton if you've got h80 on the gpu (because less heat loose in case) | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On September 08 2013 06:35 Cyro wrote: How? Intaking room temperature air should give you cooler temps, case air will be at best the same temperature as outside air My only real concern is mounting my hard drive. Would it be fine just to take the plastic tray its supposed to mount into and glue/screw/tie that tray to like my PSU housing and just have the hard drive kind of chilling out in the middle of my case? On September 08 2013 06:35 Cyro wrote: How? Intaking room temperature air should give you cooler temps, case air will be at best the same temperature as outside air Sorry I meant that because the intake air into the case comes across the CPU radiator first, I'd be heating up the air that circulate onto my other components. With option 2, I could also run the front and rear radiators both in exhaust and intake cold air from the top of my case, and it probably wouldn't heat up much before it got to the radiators since the only other components would be VRM and RAM. | ||
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