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Day 3![[image loading]](http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120428173554/swordgirls/images/4/4d/200089L.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120131071517/swordgirls/images/8/80/300111L.jpg) Head Knight iGrok comforting Sita and Sita's Friend VisceraEyes
Once again, it had been a sleepless night. And when iGrok arrived in the morning, her day got off to a bad start. Sita came running up to her. "iGrok!", she panted. "Where are they talking my Friend VisceraEyes?!"
"What?" Not her best response ever.
"Two very serious-looking women just came and dragged VisceraEyes out of homeroom! They said she was sick but she isn't!"
Great. Another one of these to deal with. "Don't worry Sita. I'll find out what's going on. You can count on me!" iGrok hoped her bravado didn't sound as fake as it felt. "Now get back to class."
Sita's Friend VisceraEyes has been myseriously sent home indefinitely due to "illness"!
[Oh, Asmis. What's up? Sita? She said she had something to do in Crux, so she left. What? Kana's descendant? The chosen girl? What are you talking about? Is this some kind of joke?]
It is now Day 3! Please remember to vote. Day ends in 48 hours, 9:00 KST.
Please remember that flavor is flavor and nothing more 
EDIT: Fuck yeah top of page totally planned that
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YES I'M ALIVE !!!!
FUCK YEAH FIRST TIME ALIVE IN D3 AS TOWN BABY!!!! WOOHOOOO!
Oh yeah damn about VE 
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Wiggles-Palmar-prplhlz
I don't think the lynch should be anybody other than those 3 for now (I guess Grey could substitute one of them).
Which one do you choose and why?
I'm leaning towards Wiggles for now, but I made that intent clear last night and I wasn't shot, so I'll tread carefully here.
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GreYMisT where are youuuuu why don't you answer skaipe
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lol
Actually I'm reconsidering a Palmar lynch right now...hmm
BrownBear, would you like Palmar lynched today? If not who would you prefer?
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Let's start this:
##Vote: Palmar
<<<<Reasons for why I think Palmar is scum on last page>>>>
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I'll try to post more cohesive thoughts about Palmar later, but there's something I found that's pretty funny:
On June 15 2012 04:38 Palmar wrote:
yeah i wont be able to get this together today. voting radfield for being blatantly and probably maliciously wrong about visceraeyes.
On June 13 2012 10:49 Palmar wrote:
damn, I was all ready to lynch ace, guess I'll have to lynch intelligently now.
##Vote gonzaw
I think you're scum bro, what do you think about that?
also I told you, radfield is doubleconfirmed town.
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I didn't think Rad was scum, but then VE flipped town and I reread day 1, looking for instances where people interacted with VE. In particular I focused on the time after Hes made his case.
Radfield said the following regarding the case on VE made by Hesmyrr:
On June 11 2012 08:03 Radfield wrote:
I really like that.
This is why you need to play more often Hesmyrr.
On June 12 2012 06:11 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 06:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Also BB's case is good, I have to go and will be out for the rest of the day and there's nothing quiet like dat omgus.
##Vote: Palmar It's actually not that good. But it IS a good effort. There is a decent case to be made on VE, but I want to finish filtering first.
A period of time passed, and it became apparent that VE would not be the lynch of the day, and that it would either be me or MZ. Radfield says this:
On June 12 2012 07:39 Radfield wrote:
This isn't going to work. Cue the VE 'I told you so' dance.
I don't have the ability to make a coherant case in this amount of time and I misread one of VE's posts that made it go from scummy to normal. VE doesn't even look that bad upon rereading. I'm happy to explain what I was seeing, but it doesn't make a difference right now.
I prefer a MZ lynch over Palmar.
What I would like to bring to everyone's attention is how this post happened after it became apparent that the VE lynch wasn't going to work. From my point of view a town player who thought VE was scum would have made a case (something rad actually never did at all). Instead what Rad did was sit back and watched if the VE lynched gained steam, and then covertly swapped off of it.
The more I read into radfield, the more I see the delayed promises for contribution and the careful steps to see which lynch is safe.
Rad, we have waited long enough.
##Vote: Radfield
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Greymist, answer me this:
Why was VE killed instead of me?
Is there anything that catches your eye or something? Like scum trying to kill VE because he was onto something, or WIFOMing about it and trying to misdirect town?
Why wouldn't they kill me? Because I was on the wrong track or perhaps because they thought I was SK?
Or perhaps because they wanted to push my lynch in the future? (I doubt this).
Grey, would you want a Palmar lynch today or not? What about Wiggles?
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On June 16 2012 10:19 gonzaw wrote:
Greymist, answer me this:
Why was VE killed instead of me?
Is there anything that catches your eye or something? Like scum trying to kill VE because he was onto something, or WIFOMing about it and trying to misdirect town?
Why wouldn't they kill me? Because I was on the wrong track or perhaps because they thought I was SK?
Or perhaps because they wanted to push my lynch in the future? (I doubt this).
Grey, would you want a Palmar lynch today or not? What about Wiggles?
You cannot cannot cannot (usually) cannot analyize night kills. Mafia are making decisions that they know will be analyized by others, thus WIFOM exists. they could have killed VE because he was on the exact wrong track, and they wanted us to think he was onto something. We cannot know, and cannot assume things. VE is dead. thats it.
What we have to do is look at the past, actions that have already happened, knowing that VE is 100% confirmed.
I want a radfield lynch atm. thats why i voted him. I will have my second target for scum when I have put more together.
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You can certainly analyze night kills...although you can't really use them as evidence for anything.
The way you can usually use them is like this:
"I think X,Y,Z,etc are scum, do night kills contradict that? If so then it's likely they are not the scumteam; if not then it doesn't really tell me anything, but it doesn't contradict it.
However...there are times where some night kills do seem odd (like VE one last night, at least from my POV). Perhaps it doesn't tell you anything about exactly why scum did it...but I think it can tell you something about scum's "comfort" in the game and their "versatility" in a manner of speaking.
Basically, if a night kill happens and you don't seem to really understand it, it most likely means that perhaps scum are content and comfortable (for instance, in Newbie IV me/Ceph/etc as scum just night killed suspicious people because we were trolling town, and because we were pretty comfortable, even though the kill itself wouldn't say anything in particular about the game).
That's what I believed happened with the Ace kill, and what I believed happened with the VE kill as well, from my POV, which I think means that scum are comfortable and using their shots just to induce WIFOM/create chaos/just get rid of annoying people, and not because they are shooting people that are on the right track and are a danger to them.
I may be overanalyzing it, but that thing made me reconsider my reads (again >_> ), and I think Palmar has a great chance of flipping scum because of it (a Palmar scum would be pretty comfortable this game).
Thoughts on this?
Palmar has been absent since he cast his vote on Radfield like 30 hours ago or something, do you think he'd act like this as town?
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Special attention should go to these players that have been inactive since D2 (or early N2):
BrownBear
prphlz
I'm waiting the thoughts of these players even more than the rest.
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On June 16 2012 10:32 gonzaw wrote:
You can certainly analyze night kills...although you can't really use them as evidence for anything.
The way you can usually use them is like this:
"I think X,Y,Z,etc are scum, do night kills contradict that? If so then it's likely they are not the scumteam; if not then it doesn't really tell me anything, but it doesn't contradict it.
However...there are times where some night kills do seem odd (like VE one last night, at least from my POV). Perhaps it doesn't tell you anything about exactly why scum did it...but I think it can tell you something about scum's "comfort" in the game and their "versatility" in a manner of speaking.
Basically, if a night kill happens and you don't seem to really understand it, it most likely means that perhaps scum are content and comfortable (for instance, in Newbie IV me/Ceph/etc as scum just night killed suspicious people because we were trolling town, and because we were pretty comfortable, even though the kill itself wouldn't say anything in particular about the game).
That's what I believed happened with the Ace kill, and what I believed happened with the VE kill as well, from my POV, which I think means that scum are comfortable and using their shots just to induce WIFOM/create chaos/just get rid of annoying people, and not because they are shooting people that are on the right track and are a danger to them.
I may be overanalyzing it, but that thing made me reconsider my reads (again >_> ), and I think Palmar has a great chance of flipping scum because of it (a Palmar scum would be pretty comfortable this game).
Thoughts on this?
Palmar has been absent since he cast his vote on Radfield like 30 hours ago or something, do you think he'd act like this as town?
You are overanalyizing it. I played a game where I just killed a random person as scum, and town screwed themselves for an entire day trying to figure out why.
I already mentioned my suspicion of Palmar, we talked about it remember? Now, however, I feel I have more concrete material on Radfield.
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On June 16 2012 10:37 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 10:32 gonzaw wrote:
You can certainly analyze night kills...although you can't really use them as evidence for anything.
The way you can usually use them is like this:
"I think X,Y,Z,etc are scum, do night kills contradict that? If so then it's likely they are not the scumteam; if not then it doesn't really tell me anything, but it doesn't contradict it.
However...there are times where some night kills do seem odd (like VE one last night, at least from my POV). Perhaps it doesn't tell you anything about exactly why scum did it...but I think it can tell you something about scum's "comfort" in the game and their "versatility" in a manner of speaking.
Basically, if a night kill happens and you don't seem to really understand it, it most likely means that perhaps scum are content and comfortable (for instance, in Newbie IV me/Ceph/etc as scum just night killed suspicious people because we were trolling town, and because we were pretty comfortable, even though the kill itself wouldn't say anything in particular about the game).
That's what I believed happened with the Ace kill, and what I believed happened with the VE kill as well, from my POV, which I think means that scum are comfortable and using their shots just to induce WIFOM/create chaos/just get rid of annoying people, and not because they are shooting people that are on the right track and are a danger to them.
I may be overanalyzing it, but that thing made me reconsider my reads (again >_> ), and I think Palmar has a great chance of flipping scum because of it (a Palmar scum would be pretty comfortable this game).
Thoughts on this?
Palmar has been absent since he cast his vote on Radfield like 30 hours ago or something, do you think he'd act like this as town? You are overanalyizing it. I played a game where I just killed a random person as scum, and town screwed themselves for an entire day trying to figure out why.I already mentioned my suspicion of Palmar, we talked about it remember? Now, however, I feel I have more concrete material on Radfield.
Exactly my point.
Why would you kill a random person as scum? Because you are comforable in the game
If your whole scum team was gunned down by 1 townie for instance, and he was systematically slaying all of you each day, you wouldn't shoot a random player would you? If you did it would heavily play against you unless you were a real smooth-talker, it would still be risky as hell.
For instance, if you and Wiggles were scumbuddies, I think you could have shot me last night, and you wouldn't shoot VE as hell considering he would most likely push a misslynch on Palmar or prplhz.
If that was the case, then I doubt you guys were comfortable, which would mean that if you took a shot at night, you wouldn't make it to confuse town or just to improve your comfort, but to try to actually improve your chances at winning by shooting me.
It's not set in stone and I won't use it as 100% proof of anything, but it made me say to myself "Wait, why did this happen? Maybe I should reread the thread with a clear head"
Grey, do you still think Rad is scum...even though he's been active pretty much the whole game, has been in part of every discussion, tried to get people to post, seemed cheerful about it, and even recognized he was playing bad and tried to remedy it later with his case on Palmar and thoughts on other players?
If so, what scum motivation do you find there? Do you think he may be acting similarly to another game of his as scum perhaps? (one that wasn't AC...I don't know which other game he was scum in >_> ).
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On June 16 2012 10:44 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 10:37 GreYMisT wrote:On June 16 2012 10:32 gonzaw wrote:
You can certainly analyze night kills...although you can't really use them as evidence for anything.
The way you can usually use them is like this:
"I think X,Y,Z,etc are scum, do night kills contradict that? If so then it's likely they are not the scumteam; if not then it doesn't really tell me anything, but it doesn't contradict it.
However...there are times where some night kills do seem odd (like VE one last night, at least from my POV). Perhaps it doesn't tell you anything about exactly why scum did it...but I think it can tell you something about scum's "comfort" in the game and their "versatility" in a manner of speaking.
Basically, if a night kill happens and you don't seem to really understand it, it most likely means that perhaps scum are content and comfortable (for instance, in Newbie IV me/Ceph/etc as scum just night killed suspicious people because we were trolling town, and because we were pretty comfortable, even though the kill itself wouldn't say anything in particular about the game).
That's what I believed happened with the Ace kill, and what I believed happened with the VE kill as well, from my POV, which I think means that scum are comfortable and using their shots just to induce WIFOM/create chaos/just get rid of annoying people, and not because they are shooting people that are on the right track and are a danger to them.
I may be overanalyzing it, but that thing made me reconsider my reads (again >_> ), and I think Palmar has a great chance of flipping scum because of it (a Palmar scum would be pretty comfortable this game).
Thoughts on this?
Palmar has been absent since he cast his vote on Radfield like 30 hours ago or something, do you think he'd act like this as town? You are overanalyizing it. I played a game where I just killed a random person as scum, and town screwed themselves for an entire day trying to figure out why.I already mentioned my suspicion of Palmar, we talked about it remember? Now, however, I feel I have more concrete material on Radfield. Exactly my point. Why would you kill a random person as scum? Because you are comforable in the gameIf your whole scum team was gunned down by 1 townie for instance, and he was systematically slaying all of you each day, you wouldn't shoot a random player would you? If you did it would heavily play against you unless you were a real smooth-talker, it would still be risky as hell. For instance, if you and Wiggles were scumbuddies, I think you could have shot me last night, and you wouldn't shoot VE as hell considering he would most likely push a misslynch on Palmar or prplhz. If that was the case, then I doubt you guys were comfortable, which would mean that if you took a shot at night, you wouldn't make it to confuse town or just to improve your comfort, but to try to actually improve your chances at winning by shooting me. It's not set in stone and I won't use it as 100% proof of anything, but it made me say to myself "Wait, why did this happen? Maybe I should reread the thread with a clear head"Grey, do you still think Rad is scum...even though he's been active pretty much the whole game, has been in part of every discussion, tried to get people to post, seemed cheerful about it, and even recognized he was playing bad and tried to remedy it later with his case on Palmar and thoughts on other players? If so, what scum motivation do you find there? Do you think he may be acting similarly to another game of his as scum perhaps? (one that wasn't AC...I don't know which other game he was scum in >_> ).
Ironically, by your logic I should be asking "Why isn't rad dead yet?"
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On June 16 2012 10:44 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 10:37 GreYMisT wrote:On June 16 2012 10:32 gonzaw wrote:
You can certainly analyze night kills...although you can't really use them as evidence for anything.
The way you can usually use them is like this:
"I think X,Y,Z,etc are scum, do night kills contradict that? If so then it's likely they are not the scumteam; if not then it doesn't really tell me anything, but it doesn't contradict it.
However...there are times where some night kills do seem odd (like VE one last night, at least from my POV). Perhaps it doesn't tell you anything about exactly why scum did it...but I think it can tell you something about scum's "comfort" in the game and their "versatility" in a manner of speaking.
Basically, if a night kill happens and you don't seem to really understand it, it most likely means that perhaps scum are content and comfortable (for instance, in Newbie IV me/Ceph/etc as scum just night killed suspicious people because we were trolling town, and because we were pretty comfortable, even though the kill itself wouldn't say anything in particular about the game).
That's what I believed happened with the Ace kill, and what I believed happened with the VE kill as well, from my POV, which I think means that scum are comfortable and using their shots just to induce WIFOM/create chaos/just get rid of annoying people, and not because they are shooting people that are on the right track and are a danger to them.
I may be overanalyzing it, but that thing made me reconsider my reads (again >_> ), and I think Palmar has a great chance of flipping scum because of it (a Palmar scum would be pretty comfortable this game).
Thoughts on this?
Palmar has been absent since he cast his vote on Radfield like 30 hours ago or something, do you think he'd act like this as town? You are overanalyizing it. I played a game where I just killed a random person as scum, and town screwed themselves for an entire day trying to figure out why.I already mentioned my suspicion of Palmar, we talked about it remember? Now, however, I feel I have more concrete material on Radfield. Exactly my point. Why would you kill a random person as scum? Because you are comforable in the gameIf your whole scum team was gunned down by 1 townie for instance, and he was systematically slaying all of you each day, you wouldn't shoot a random player would you? If you did it would heavily play against you unless you were a real smooth-talker, it would still be risky as hell. For instance, if you and Wiggles were scumbuddies, I think you could have shot me last night, and you wouldn't shoot VE as hell considering he would most likely push a misslynch on Palmar or prplhz. If that was the case, then I doubt you guys were comfortable, which would mean that if you took a shot at night, you wouldn't make it to confuse town or just to improve your comfort, but to try to actually improve your chances at winning by shooting me. It's not set in stone and I won't use it as 100% proof of anything, but it made me say to myself "Wait, why did this happen? Maybe I should reread the thread with a clear head"Grey, do you still think Rad is scum...even though he's been active pretty much the whole game, has been in part of every discussion, tried to get people to post, seemed cheerful about it, and even recognized he was playing bad and tried to remedy it later with his case on Palmar and thoughts on other players? If so, what scum motivation do you find there? Do you think he may be acting similarly to another game of his as scum perhaps? (one that wasn't AC...I don't know which other game he was scum in >_> ).
LoTR mafia to answer your question.
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Because he isn't a threat to scum, and is a possible misslynch.
Like I said, that's what happened on "I am a Cop you Idiot!" Mafia, which is what made me rethink my "subcutaneous" (wut?) suspicion of him.
I knew the night kill would basically boil down to VE or me, but I thought I was more "apparent" townie than VE and I thought I was on the right track, meaning I thought I'd get instantly shot. But well we know the rest of that story.
Also Grey, answer that question, do you find Rad's specific behaviour scummy as well?
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On June 16 2012 10:49 gonzaw wrote:
Because he isn't a threat to scum, and is a possible misslynch.
Like I said, that's what happened on "I am a Cop you Idiot!" Mafia, which is what made me rethink my "subcutaneous" (wut?) suspicion of him.
I knew the night kill would basically boil down to VE or me, but I thought I was more "apparent" townie than VE and I thought I was on the right track, meaning I thought I'd get instantly shot. But well we know the rest of that story.
Also Grey, answer that question, do you find Rad's specific behaviour scummy as well?
If i didnt, why would I be voting him?
Scum can appear peppy and active all they want. But rad has yet to contribute to a lynch, has not really pushed a candidate ever, just brought them up in passing, and continues to put off contributing.
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Couldn't the same be said about Palmar? At least from mid-D1 onwards?
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