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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2012 22:35 GMT
#741
*not = now
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 21 2012 22:35 GMT
#742
On March 22 2012 07:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 07:18 Probulous wrote:
On March 22 2012 02:05 sandroba wrote:
SlOosh is behaving like townie right now and probulous doesn't seem to care too much about this game. I heard from someone that he is normally very good and very active. Day1 he spent the whole day bickering about your unvote on johnny and going around in circles. Also no one (besides you) really tried to keep votes away from jackal and probulous was mia at that time. His argument about slOosh trying to distance himself from jackal with that post right before the lynch does not make sense, because that post actually accomplishes the opposite.


You seem to be forgetting I am on the other side of the world. I am here and posting but everyone else is in the middle of the night. So when I log on in the morning there are pages of stuff to read just before the deadline. Normally the deadlines are later so people are on later and I can push and drive discussion.

You call it bickering, I call it putting VE in his place. He could well be scum, his vote to seal the Jackal lynch is what "confirms" him. He knew his case was shit yet he was actively pushing for the lynch. I even asked him if he intended to lynch Johnny and he made it clear that he did. Then he says he knew he case was weak. Are you telling me that discussion was useless?

The thing that made him town in my mind was his Jackal vote. He could have pulled a Sloosh and said he wasn't sure, hell he thought he was town for most of the first day, but he hammered Jackal and for that he gets a town read.

I explained why I was MIA. That post of Sloosh puts us in a WIFOM situation. Did he do it because he wanted town to reason he wouldn't do it as scum? I think VE's point about how it contradicts his earlier positioning on you is a great point that I missed. I also think it highly unreasonable that anyone would doubt a mason claim from you on day 1. It is way way way too risky a scum move and to assume otherwise is a huge logical fail. I just don't see Sloosh actually believing you could be scum.


So what's the deal? Do you think slOosh is scum? This is a long post, and all I really get from it is you trying to discredit me in one paragraph and agreeing with me in another. I can't tell what you think of slOosh from this post. What's the point of this post?


Sloosh is scum.

Gah! I am not discrediting you, I am explaining my actions because you guys seem to think I am mafia. Yes I thought you were scum on Day 1 but your vote makes you town now. I am responding to people individually, which in hindsight may not be the best way to do this.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 21 2012 22:39 GMT
#743
On March 22 2012 07:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Also, I'm going to be playing the part of the wall you have to bang your head against today Probulous...good luck sir.


Alright wall, what do you want to know?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2012 22:40 GMT
#744
OMG SKIP AHEAD TO THE END
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 21 2012 22:41 GMT
#745
On March 22 2012 07:35 Snarfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 07:30 Probulous wrote:
VE's hammer on Jackal confirmed him in my eyes so I had to look elsewhere.

I know you keep using this word and I'm verifying that by 'hammer' you do indeed mean '2nd to last vote'?


Yes, that is what I mean. He could easily have not voted for Jackal and stuck with his initial read if he was scum.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 21 2012 22:42 GMT
#746
On March 22 2012 07:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Probulous I'm over here bro! You realize that you're defending yourself to the person you're saying we should all lynch right guy?!


Yes, and?

You seem to be taking his case seriously so I was addressing it.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2012 22:46 GMT
#747
Probulous:

Why am I "confirmed town" for my vote on Jackal?

Why was I not scummy for defending Jackal (as sandroba seems to think) after Jackal flipped scum? Your attention was on me for the majority of the day, surely it didn't just escape your notice that I called him 'confirmed town' and was defending him for a fair portion of the day...

Re: responding to slOosh's case - if you're town and think that slOosh is scum, you'd be interested in clearing your name with townies, not scum. Even in your response you say "you seem to be taking it seriously"...if it was about me, why didn't you respond to MY post on the matter, your townread, rather than slOosh's, your scumread?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 21 2012 22:53 GMT
#748
On March 22 2012 07:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Probulous:

Why am I "confirmed town" for my vote on Jackal?

Why was I not scummy for defending Jackal (as sandroba seems to think) after Jackal flipped scum? Your attention was on me for the majority of the day, surely it didn't just escape your notice that I called him 'confirmed town' and was defending him for a fair portion of the day...

Re: responding to slOosh's case - if you're town and think that slOosh is scum, you'd be interested in clearing your name with townies, not scum. Even in your response you say "you seem to be taking it seriously"...if it was about me, why didn't you respond to MY post on the matter, your townread, rather than slOosh's, your scumread?


Well there are a lot of posts to get through. I was working through them but realised answering everyone is not working. It doesn't matter to me where the case comes from. Your post mirrored his anyway.

You are not scummy because you chose to vote for Jackal when you didn't have to. His lynch was basically everyone sheeping sandroba and you had made it clear you thought Jackal was town. Of all the people in this thread you had a reasonable explanation for not voting for Jackal. But you chose to nail him to the wall. I just don't see why you would buss a potentially strong scum buddy on day 1.

The only one who was really pushing you was me. Sure sandroba was a little skeptical of you but you were in no danger of being lynched. The upside was minimal compared to losing a scum buddy.

There is nothing wrong with defending someone who is scum. Everyone does that at some time in the game because we don't know who scum are. Your actions, namely your vote, clears you in my mind.

I'll find your post and respond to it now.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 21 2012 22:58 GMT
#749
On March 22 2012 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I noticed that about Probulous too slOosh...the biggest actual stance he took yesterday was that I was scum based on my attack on johnnywup, which he ended up dissolving before the final vote stuff started happening. And after Jackal flipped scum, he didn't even look twice at me - just immediately voted for slOosh. If he were town and he had even an inkling that I was scum, wouldn't he be more convinced that I'm scum when Jackal (someone I called confirmed town early on and defended for a lot of D1) flipped scum?


I think I have explained this now. Jackal flipping scum does not make you scum because you had every reason not to vote for him. You had made it clear you thought he was town, like very very clear. Defending scum does not make you scum. It makes you more suspicious especially if you don't vote for them. Your actions make you town in my eyes.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2012 22:58 GMT
#750
On March 22 2012 07:53 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 07:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Probulous:

Why am I "confirmed town" for my vote on Jackal?

Why was I not scummy for defending Jackal (as sandroba seems to think) after Jackal flipped scum? Your attention was on me for the majority of the day, surely it didn't just escape your notice that I called him 'confirmed town' and was defending him for a fair portion of the day...

Re: responding to slOosh's case - if you're town and think that slOosh is scum, you'd be interested in clearing your name with townies, not scum. Even in your response you say "you seem to be taking it seriously"...if it was about me, why didn't you respond to MY post on the matter, your townread, rather than slOosh's, your scumread?


Well there are a lot of posts to get through. I was working through them but realised answering everyone is not working. It doesn't matter to me where the case comes from. Your post mirrored his anyway.

You are not scummy because you chose to vote for Jackal when you didn't have to. His lynch was basically everyone sheeping sandroba and you had made it clear you thought Jackal was town. Of all the people in this thread you had a reasonable explanation for not voting for Jackal. But you chose to nail him to the wall. I just don't see why you would buss a potentially strong scum buddy on day 1.

The only one who was really pushing you was me. Sure sandroba was a little skeptical of you but you were in no danger of being lynched. The upside was minimal compared to losing a scum buddy.

There is nothing wrong with defending someone who is scum. Everyone does that at some time in the game because we don't know who scum are. Your actions, namely your vote, clears you in my mind.

I'll find your post and respond to it now.


You really can't think of an upside? Really?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2012 23:02 GMT
#751
On March 22 2012 07:53 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 07:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Probulous:

Why am I "confirmed town" for my vote on Jackal?

Why was I not scummy for defending Jackal (as sandroba seems to think) after Jackal flipped scum? Your attention was on me for the majority of the day, surely it didn't just escape your notice that I called him 'confirmed town' and was defending him for a fair portion of the day...

Re: responding to slOosh's case - if you're town and think that slOosh is scum, you'd be interested in clearing your name with townies, not scum. Even in your response you say "you seem to be taking it seriously"...if it was about me, why didn't you respond to MY post on the matter, your townread, rather than slOosh's, your scumread?


Well there are a lot of posts to get through. I was working through them but realised answering everyone is not working. It doesn't matter to me where the case comes from. Your post mirrored his anyway.

You are not scummy because you chose to vote for Jackal when you didn't have to. His lynch was basically everyone sheeping sandroba and you had made it clear you thought Jackal was town. Of all the people in this thread you had a reasonable explanation for not voting for Jackal. But you chose to nail him to the wall. I just don't see why you would buss a potentially strong scum buddy on day 1.

The only one who was really pushing you was me. Sure sandroba was a little skeptical of you but you were in no danger of being lynched. The upside was minimal compared to losing a scum buddy.

There is nothing wrong with defending someone who is scum. Everyone does that at some time in the game because we don't know who scum are. Your actions, namely your vote, clears you in my mind.

I'll find your post and respond to it now.


Really really?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2012 23:03 GMT
#752
Wrong answer Probulous. Hang bro.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
March 21 2012 23:06 GMT
#753
I'm happy to sheep you once again, Sandroba, if you want to push a Probulous/Nemesis lynch instead of slOosh. Worked out pretty well last time. ^_^
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 21 2012 23:09 GMT
#754
On March 22 2012 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
You really can't think of an upside? Really?


If you were scum, your choice was this
  • Vote for your scumbuddy severely reducing your odds of winning and gaining town credit.
  • Not vote for your scumbuddy and increase your odds of winning and look scummier
You had pushed Jackal as town all game long. The upside to voting for him is that it confirms you. You give up a scumbuddy for a confirmed town. This is only useful if you were not confirmed town before. It is only really useful if you were under suspicion before. The only person pushing you was me and my case was shot to hell so you were in no danger.

Now the downside to unvoting would have been? Well you would have looked scummier for causing a no-lynch but hell so did everyone else who didn't vote for Jackal. You had a reason not to and he could come back Day 2 and prove his "innocence" anyway. I mean no-one would have known he was scum if he didn't swing. If he did eventually get lynched you could change your position and bus him then.

No the upside is so ridiculously small for the costs that I just don't see why you would do it. It made no rational sense for me to continue my line of enquiry because to me you were confirmed. So I looked elsewhere.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Toad_in_Pink_Dress
Profile Joined March 2012
United States50 Posts
March 21 2012 23:15 GMT
#755
Just when i felt that all things were reasonable VE and Probulous decided to shit up the thread with misrepresentation and derp.

But are there intentions benign?
all glory to the hypnotoad!
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2012 23:17 GMT
#756
TIPD, what are you even talking about? I guess you don't have anything to add to the conversation since you're reducing everything that's happening down to "misrepresentation and derp" right? So can you refrain from posting unless you have something constructive to add?

Fucks sake.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 21 2012 23:19 GMT
#757
VE I don't understand your case. I am scum because I didn't think you were mafia after you voted for Jackal?

What is wrong with my reasoning because it still makes sense to me? Votes > words in my opinion. Explain this to me because I am completely at a loss as to why this makes me scum. I am town and have followed the same logic I use every game so if there is something fundamentally wrong in my thinking, point it out. Otherwise I am going to get mis-lynched again.

Does everyone else understand what VE is saying?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2012 23:22 GMT
#758
On March 22 2012 08:19 Probulous wrote:
VE I don't understand your case. I am scum because I didn't think you were mafia after you voted for Jackal?

What is wrong with my reasoning because it still makes sense to me? Votes > words in my opinion. Explain this to me because I am completely at a loss as to why this makes me scum. I am town and have followed the same logic I use every game so if there is something fundamentally wrong in my thinking, point it out. Otherwise I am going to get mis-lynched again.

Does everyone else understand what VE is saying?


I'm taking a step back. Maybe reread your filter. If you still look like scum, I'll try and explain it to you again.

In the meantime, I'll just point out that the italicized statement in the quote above indicates inherent self-guilt. If you'll notice, there's a fair amount of resistance to switching off slOosh...but I'm sure it doesn't feel that way to you.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
March 21 2012 23:23 GMT
#759
On March 22 2012 08:19 Probulous wrote:Does everyone else understand what VE is saying?

Not a fucking clue, but what else is new? He's confused me all game.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 21 2012 23:25 GMT
#760
On March 22 2012 08:19 Probulous wrote:
Does everyone else understand what VE is saying?

not really, this is way over my head right now @_@ i'll vote for whoever sand votes for, really..

also TIPD what the fuck have you done all game anyways? post randomly about who you think is scum and whos inno, and then vote occasionally?
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