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AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 15:22:47
June 18 2011 15:22 GMT
#7421
staples1 u stole my name! :D

@drowsy yeah that is true. Sometimes its frustrating but thats the part of training haha.


btw how are those power perfects?
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 18 2011 15:23 GMT
#7422
@Anabolicqt congrats dude have a wonderful day post a pic :D too!!!!!!!! Happy honeymoon!
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
June 18 2011 15:31 GMT
#7423
On June 18 2011 22:33 Anabolicqt wrote:
Getting married today, so my cut is officially over. Very happy with the results and thanks to everyone for the help and encouragement. See you all in a week or 2.

Congratulations! :D
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
June 18 2011 15:35 GMT
#7424
post some wedding pics too! :D congrats!
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
June 18 2011 15:46 GMT
#7425
On June 18 2011 22:33 Anabolicqt wrote:
Getting married today, so my cut is officially over. Very happy with the results and thanks to everyone for the help and encouragement. See you all in a week or 2.


Congrats Sir!! Hope we helped you out some.


On June 18 2011 15:14 Drowsy wrote:
It seems like training for olympic lifting differs greatly from doing SS style training or powerlifting training in that there's a great deal of variance on individual training days or weeks. Sometimes you're hitting prs effortlessly, other times 85% feels like a horrible struggle. Can Decaf and Dimsum back me up on this? When I was doing SS, I kinda knew what to expect every training session and my results were usually pretty close.


That's more or less normal.

When dealing with highly technical exercises if you can't hit them with good technique at the weight you're at for the day it's best to back off the weight and try to work on your form a lot.... basically skill work instead.

If you try to force training when your technique is bad at a certain weight that's only going to hinder your progress.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
June 18 2011 15:46 GMT
#7426
On June 18 2011 18:24 sc4k wrote:
@phyre and eshlow. Thanks for the opinion guys I'll relay what you said to him. He's not set on this plan but I think he wants to try it out. Thanks for the reading material eshlow. Btw are you like a nutritionist or a trainer or something?


Not officially but am self educated on a lot of the stuff.

Am currently in physical therapy school
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
June 18 2011 15:49 GMT
#7427
On June 18 2011 20:15 sc4k wrote:
Hey chaps this is the diet my mate Jason is doing. Looks fairly weird, 'the anabolic diet'. So it's not really an atkins diet but it bears resemblance...

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_diet_mass/eat_like_a_man_part_i_test_driving_the_anabolic_diet

would like to get some opinions on this to see whether I should support him or tell him to back off the idea. He is a medium growth boxer/bodybuilder who has put on some good weight and muscle so far.


It's legit. And atkins is legit too except ketogenic style diets should only be used through phases. It takes about 2-4 weeks to adapt and you get good weight loss through anywhere about 6-12 months or so but afterwards you need to cycle back to high carbs because the body adapts.

Basically, anabolic diet attempts to cycle carbs weekly (or biweekly.. can't remember exactly) to keep the weight loss coming.

As far as weight loss is concerned it's a legitimate diet that I would recommend just like Paleo
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20078 Posts
June 18 2011 16:17 GMT
#7428
On June 18 2011 15:14 Drowsy wrote:
It seems like training for olympic lifting differs greatly from doing SS style training or powerlifting training in that there's a great deal of variance on individual training days or weeks. Sometimes you're hitting prs effortlessly, other times 85% feels like a horrible struggle. Can Decaf and Dimsum back me up on this? When I was doing SS, I kinda knew what to expect every training session and my results were usually pretty close.


Very true and very love/hate. Some days you're just ON FIRE and you won't miss a lift and have to double check the weight cause 300 is feeling a lot more like 100. And then there will be days I miss cleans at 100 and 70% lifts will drain the life out of me. I'll usually switch to squats at that point because I know I can do those on the good days you feel invincible and that confidence carries over into the rest of my day/week. On bad days im usually pissed off the rest of the day only had multiple shitty days in a eeek once and I took a week off then set a 10kg pr in my snatch lol.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
June 18 2011 16:21 GMT
#7429
On June 18 2011 01:18 glurio wrote:
Pretty low volume for a bodybuilding routine, routine itself looks solid though.


The 3x5 were originally 5x5.

Going from just 3x5 on three lifts to all that volume would of been too much, so I just cut it down a little bit.

Congrats Anabolic!

@Eshlow: Do you like physical therapy school? I'm switching my major over to physical therapy :D What do you plan on doing with it if you don't mind me asking?
Victory Loves Preparation
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
June 18 2011 16:44 GMT
#7430
On June 18 2011 22:33 Anabolicqt wrote:
Getting married today, so my cut is officially over. Very happy with the results and thanks to everyone for the help and encouragement. See you all in a week or 2.


Congrats Anabolic! I hope you're going to a place where you can take your shirt off for the honeymoon :D.
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
June 18 2011 16:56 GMT
#7431
On June 19 2011 01:21 Catch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 01:18 glurio wrote:
Pretty low volume for a bodybuilding routine, routine itself looks solid though.


The 3x5 were originally 5x5.

Going from just 3x5 on three lifts to all that volume would of been too much, so I just cut it down a little bit.

Congrats Anabolic!

@Eshlow: Do you like physical therapy school? I'm switching my major over to physical therapy :D What do you plan on doing with it if you don't mind me asking?


shouldnt a bodybuilding routine have more reps?
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 18:16:35
June 18 2011 18:16 GMT
#7432
Meet day...

Oh god, the stress. I don't think I can ever remember being so stressed before. The med school entrance exams were a piece of cake compared to this. I literally had to force some food into me before I left home.

Then I show up, weigh in at around 95kg (placed comfortable in the -105kg category lol) and meet up with buddies I knew from the gym. And suddenly all nervousness was gone. Just to be able to be there, on a viking festival felt awesome

First event was the Conan's Wheel. It was loaded up with 2 women (about 140kg in total added weight) and then it was just to pick it up and walk as far as you could do. I managed about 25meters.

Second event was the Farmer's Walk. 100kg in each arm, 32m course with a little incline in the end. Then you had to walk back. I think I dropped the handles 4 or 5 times but the incline at the end was too much for me and I again got about 25meters.

Third event was the Circus Dumbbell, weighing a whooping 68kgs!! I got it up to my shoulder but there was no way I could press it.

Fourth and final event was the Atlas Stones, an event I had loooked forward to. I had been told in advance that it was going to be 125kgs for reps which was totally doable for me and I was hoping to pick up some lost points there. But they had changed it to 135kg <.< I gave it all I got and just barely missed it!

All in all an awesome experience and although I didn't place high I was very happy with my performance ^^

Last but def. not least: Congratulations Anabolic!!!
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 18:44:28
June 18 2011 18:16 GMT
#7433
On June 19 2011 01:56 Zafrumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2011 01:21 Catch wrote:
On June 18 2011 01:18 glurio wrote:
Pretty low volume for a bodybuilding routine, routine itself looks solid though.


The 3x5 were originally 5x5.

Going from just 3x5 on three lifts to all that volume would of been too much, so I just cut it down a little bit.

Congrats Anabolic!

@Eshlow: Do you like physical therapy school? I'm switching my major over to physical therapy :D What do you plan on doing with it if you don't mind me asking?


shouldnt a bodybuilding routine have more reps?


It has a strength rep range and a hypertrophy rep range. What do you mean? Off the top of my head, there is at least 80-90+ reps, with 30/45 of these being in the "strength" (5 reps) range. I can check the exact number for you if you would like.

Edit: Congrats on participating in the meet sJ :D I'm sure you'll do better next time with more training man.
Victory Loves Preparation
Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
June 18 2011 18:43 GMT
#7434
On June 19 2011 03:16 sJarl wrote:
Meet day...

Oh god, the stress. I don't think I can ever remember being so stressed before. The med school entrance exams were a piece of cake compared to this. I literally had to force some food into me before I left home.

Then I show up, weigh in at around 95kg (placed comfortable in the -105kg category lol) and meet up with buddies I knew from the gym. And suddenly all nervousness was gone. Just to be able to be there, on a viking festival felt awesome

First event was the Conan's Wheel. It was loaded up with 2 women (about 140kg in total added weight) and then it was just to pick it up and walk as far as you could do. I managed about 25meters.

Second event was the Farmer's Walk. 100kg in each arm, 32m course with a little incline in the end. Then you had to walk back. I think I dropped the handles 4 or 5 times but the incline at the end was too much for me and I again got about 25meters.

Third event was the Circus Dumbbell, weighing a whooping 68kgs!! I got it up to my shoulder but there was no way I could press it.

Fourth and final event was the Atlas Stones, an event I had loooked forward to. I had been told in advance that it was going to be 125kgs for reps which was totally doable for me and I was hoping to pick up some lost points there. But they had changed it to 135kg <.< I gave it all I got and just barely missed it!

All in all an awesome experience and although I didn't place high I was very happy with my performance ^^

Last but def. not least: Congratulations Anabolic!!!


That is fucking insane lol!
http://www.twitch.tv/advocadosc2
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
June 18 2011 19:09 GMT
#7435
On June 19 2011 01:21 Catch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 01:18 glurio wrote:
Pretty low volume for a bodybuilding routine, routine itself looks solid though.


The 3x5 were originally 5x5.

Going from just 3x5 on three lifts to all that volume would of been too much, so I just cut it down a little bit.

Congrats Anabolic!

@Eshlow: Do you like physical therapy school? I'm switching my major over to physical therapy :D What do you plan on doing with it if you don't mind me asking?


Well, it depends on what you're looking for in a job really. It pays OK for being a doctorate program nowadays.

you get to work with similar people frequently (if outpatient orthopedic) or conserversely if in hospital you can see a lot of different people with a lot of different things.

Overall, if you like helping people get back to their lives and the challenge of figuring out what is wrong (functionally) and planning out programs to help them get back it would be a good career. It's kinda like being a personal trainer except you tend to work with more injured populations and would probably make a better salary than most personal trainers (unless they were top ones).

I like it but school is a bummer in general. I'm ready to learn what I need to learn and get out so i can start practicing.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
June 18 2011 21:08 GMT
#7436
sjarl do you have any videos? :D

@eshlow, my sister is going to occupational therapy school in the fall. You guys pretty much do the same thing right?




also http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1891190717912
snatch triples suck lol
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
June 18 2011 21:31 GMT
#7437
Sadly, no But I'll see if I can find some photos that were shot during the day.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
June 18 2011 21:46 GMT
#7438
wow sjarl, amazing stuff

@catch: no need, if you've done the research then i trust your program reflects that was just wondering.

@dimsum: amazing speed in your snatch!
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
June 18 2011 22:39 GMT
#7439
anyone know how heavy an iron barbell is?

dead lift 140+barbel 1-1-0
☺
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4732 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 22:44:56
June 18 2011 22:41 GMT
#7440
I decided that I am done with Starting Strength after todays workout. I only resetted my squat once, but the frequency of missed lifts got pretty high lately. The day after tomorrow I will also visit my parents for one week, and I don't have the best training environment there. And finally, I believe one deloading week in between is probably a very smart thing to do. I am not 18 anymore
And what better time to start a new programm after a deloading week.

Therefore, I decided to max out on squat and deadlift today:
squat: 190x1 200x1 205x1 210x1 215x1 and 220kgx1 (150x6 afterwards)
Bench: 80kg 5-5-5 (still easy)
deadlift: 210x1 220kgx1 and finally failed 227,5kg, which would have been 502lb.

Maybe I am maxing out on overhead press tomorrow if I find the time. So next week is gonna be deload. Then I will start with Texas Method and work my way up to my actual 5RMs within four weeks, to acclimate myself with the new programm. So I won't hit new PRs for the next six weeks.

Final SS numbers (5RM):
Squat: 185kg
Press: 78,5kg
Deadlift: 190kg
BO-Row: 91kg (stopped 2 weeks ago)
Bench: 80kg (obviously not my max, didn't bench much because of my shoulder injury)
Power Clean: 72,5kg (3RM, also not my max, since I only started two weeks ago)


Starting Strength log
+ Show Spoiler +

Date Squat Bench Press Dead BO-Row
26.Feb 90 x x 90 x
01.Mar 95 x 40 x 50
03.Mar 100 40 x 100 x
05.Mar 102,5 x 42,5 x 55
07.Mar 105 x x 105 x
09.Mar 107,5 x 45 x 60
11.Mar 110 50 x 110 x
13.Mar 112,5 x 50 x 62,5
15.Mar 115 55 x 115 x
17.Mar 117,5 x 52,5 x 65
19.Mar 120 60 x 125 x
22.Mar 122,5 x 55 x 67,5
24.Mar 125 i x 130 x
26.Mar 127,5 x 57,5 x 70
30.Mar 130 i x 135 x
01.Apr 132,5 x 60 x 72,5
03.Apr 135 i x 140 x
05.Apr 137,5 x 62,5 x 75
08.Apr 140 i x 145 x
11.Apr 142,5 x 63,5 x 77,5
13.Apr 145 i x 150 x
16.Apr 147,5 x 65 x 80
19.Apr 150 i x 155 x
21.Apr 152,5 x 66 x 81
23.Apr 155 i x 160 x
26.Apr 157,5 x 67,5 x 82,5
28.Apr 160 i x 165 x
30.Apr 162,5 x 68,5 x 83,5
03.Mai 165 i x 170 x
05.Mai 166 x 70 x 85
07.Mai 167,5 i x 175 x
10.Mai 168,5f x 71 x 86
12.Mai 168,5f 60 x 177,5 x
14.Mai 152,5 x 72,5 x 87,5
17.Mai 155 62,5 x 180 x
19.Mai 157,5 x 73,5f x 88,5
21.Mai 160 65 x 182,5f x
24.Mai 162,5 x 73,5 x 90s
26.Mai 165 67,5 x 182,5 x
28.Mai 167,5 x 75 x 90
31.Mai 170 70 x 185f x
02.Jun 172,5 x 76 x 91
04.Jun 175 72,5 x 185 x
P.Clean
07.Jun 177,5f x 77,5 x 67,5
09.Jun 177,5 75 x 187,5 x
11.Jun 180 x 78,5f x 70
14.Jun 182,5 77,5 x 190 x
16.Jun 185f x 78,5f x 72,5
18.Jun 1RM 80 x 1RM x
(220) (220)

_____________________________________________
Squat, Press, Bench and BO-Row: 3(Sets)x5(Reps)
Deadlift: 1(Set)x5(Reps)
Power Clean: 5(Sets)x3(Reps)
i=injury
f=fail
s=same weight next session (i.e. form issues)
all weights in kilogram


All in all, I never expected the past four months to be that productive.

@sjarl: Strongman sounds awesome, keep going if you want to become a real viking.

@decaf: if you can squat more than me, I may hurt you... which will be hard since you are stronger than me. But I can try.

"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
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