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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Kezzer
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1268 Posts
June 22 2011 04:23 GMT
#7201
wow thats incredible! buying all those adapters has got to be expensive though haha, then again i could have a use with those 4+ lcd screens that my friends dad has lying around
benbrad2
Profile Joined June 2011
103 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 05:26:41
June 22 2011 05:25 GMT
#7202
I'm looking to upgrade my CPU, MOBO, RAM.

My budget: $200~$250

Purpose: Gaming



Current CPU: Amd x2 4400+ 2.4ghz
Current Ram: 800MHZ, 2GB

Right now I have Neon HE 550Watt, which has been running for 5 years now.
Let me know if your recommended set-up (cpu, ram, mobo) will be fine with my current PSU.
Thanks !
Whatsup
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 22 2011 05:26 GMT
#7203
@benbrad2
A core i3 2100 is better than any Phenom II processor for gaming:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/20
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300_7.html#sect0

Currently $115 on Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078

A H61 / H67 motherboard that pairs with this would cost around $60 - $90. 4GB of 1333MHz DDR3 is less than $40. That would be within your budget
benbrad2
Profile Joined June 2011
103 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 05:27:56
June 22 2011 05:27 GMT
#7204
On June 22 2011 14:26 skyR wrote:
@benbrad2
Show nested quote +
A core i3 2100 is better than any Phenom II processor for gaming:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/20
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300_7.html#sect0

Currently $115 on Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078

A H61 / H67 motherboard that pairs with this would cost around $60 - $90. 4GB of 1333MHz DDR3 is less than $40. That would be within your budget


Holy smokes that was the fastest response ever !
Thanks for such a quick response.

Will (550watt Neon He) be enough to power this?
My gpu is XFX 9800GT
Which is old but still decent
Whatsup
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 22 2011 05:30 GMT
#7205
Yes it will be, the core i3 2100 consumes less than 50w under load which iirc is less than your current processor.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
June 22 2011 05:31 GMT
#7206
On June 21 2011 23:29 JingleHell wrote:
Bear in mind, SLI doesn't scale to 200% of single card performance pretty much ever. Current average range is something like 160%-190%.

SLI is also a headache if you play games with bad scaling. I'm using regular 460 1GBs in SLI, OCed to 763, and I only tolerate the heat and noise because I love fiddling with stuff for no good reason.

If nothing else, get the 768mb 460's and SLI those, at least they're faster, and with 2 of them for extra video RAM, you'll get pretty hot performance if you aren't doing something crazy with resolution. Certainly compared to the SE.

Bear in mind, the 768mb is still a bit slower than the 1GB due to some bandwidth stuff.


460 SE is usually faster than the 768 is it not?
benbrad2
Profile Joined June 2011
103 Posts
June 22 2011 05:34 GMT
#7207
On June 22 2011 14:30 skyR wrote:
Yes it will be, the core i3 2100 consumes less than 50w under load which iirc is less than your current processor.


Thanks alot !
I was going to make a mistake buying amd phenom 955.
But after reading through i3-2100 just may be what I was looking for !
Are there any cheap motherboards for 1155 slot?

I plan on only using 1333mhz 4gb ram.
No sli, no additional hard-drive.
Just the most generic motherboard I can find.

Whatsup
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 05:39:50
June 22 2011 05:38 GMT
#7208
On June 22 2011 14:31 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 23:29 JingleHell wrote:
Bear in mind, SLI doesn't scale to 200% of single card performance pretty much ever. Current average range is something like 160%-190%.

SLI is also a headache if you play games with bad scaling. I'm using regular 460 1GBs in SLI, OCed to 763, and I only tolerate the heat and noise because I love fiddling with stuff for no good reason.

If nothing else, get the 768mb 460's and SLI those, at least they're faster, and with 2 of them for extra video RAM, you'll get pretty hot performance if you aren't doing something crazy with resolution. Certainly compared to the SE.

Bear in mind, the 768mb is still a bit slower than the 1GB due to some bandwidth stuff.


460 SE is usually faster than the 768 is it not?


You are mistaken, the GTX 460 SE is not usually faster than the 768mb variant. It's performance lies between the GTX 460 768 variant and GTS 450. The GTX 460 768mb variant is nearly identical in terms of specs to the original 1GB variant whereas the SE variant has less cores and texture units along with slower clock speeds.

On June 22 2011 14:34 benbrad2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 14:30 skyR wrote:
Yes it will be, the core i3 2100 consumes less than 50w under load which iirc is less than your current processor.


Thanks alot !
I was going to make a mistake buying amd phenom 955.
But after reading through i3-2100 just may be what I was looking for !
Are there any cheap motherboards for 1155 slot?

I plan on only using 1333mhz 4gb ram.
No sli, no additional hard-drive.
Just the most generic motherboard I can find.



If you want the least expensive one available: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241

If you want one with USB3 and SATA3: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236

There may also be combo deals on Newegg for the processor and a motherboard so you may want to look into that.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 05:41:04
June 22 2011 05:40 GMT
#7209
Neo HE 550W is a Seasonic-built unit with high efficiency, generally decent performance, and a bunch of OST capacitors (not really a top brand for reliability but not the worst). You probably haven't been using over 250W, and you will be using less now, which partially explains why it's lasted so long. It should be good to go.


GTX 460 SE has 288 CUDA cores and 32 ROPs at 650/1300 MHz Core/Mem. GTX 460 768MB has 336 CUDA cores and 24 ROPs at 675/1350 MHz Core/Mem. GTX 460 1GB has 336 CUDA cores and 32 ROPs at 675/1350 MHz Core/Mem. It depends on the instructions being run, but generally the extra CUDA cores on the GTX 768MB are more important than the extra ROPs and VRAM of the SE.

I see I'm late in posting this, but I'll do it anyway since I'm bitter like that. I already had it typed out.
.Mystic
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada486 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 05:49:51
June 22 2011 05:46 GMT
#7210
hey i have a video card trouble. Ever since i built my comp, whenever i watch streams on Teamliquid especially, also happens sometimes when watching youtube or other videos, the screen goes blank, green or blue and than back to normal, saying the display drivers has stopped working and recovered.

My specs are
i5 2400
asrock h61m-vs
1tb seagate
4gb g.skill ripjaw
HIS radeon HD 5850
Antec neo eco 450w

Edit: i got windows 7 64bit ultimate, upgraded from pro
my temps are fine, no OC,
only happens when watching video or stream, playing games its fine

Ive tried uninstalling then deleting the old drivers, then using ccleaner, then reinstalling fresh drivers, that didn't help. ran dskchk, fix dskchk, nothing worked so far.

Anyone might have any ideas?
benbrad2
Profile Joined June 2011
103 Posts
June 22 2011 05:48 GMT
#7211
Thanks skyR and Myrmidon for your help !

To sum up my current build:

Mobo: $59.99 - ASRock H61M-VS Socket 1155 Intel H61
CPU: $129 - i3-2100
RAM: ?

Btw, I couldn't find any combo deals for i3-2100 and mobo, maybe i'm looking in the wrong page o.O
As for ram, what would best go with my setup?
Whatsup
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 05:52:25
June 22 2011 05:50 GMT
#7212
@HCMystic

Maybe it's something weird with Flash and the graphics card. It's more of a workaround to try than a solution, but try disabling hardware (GPU) acceleration. The i5-2400 should be plenty fast enough.

http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/help01.html

And it goes without saying hopefully, to try updating Adobe Flash. This is all assuming that all the videos you're talking about are Flash.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 05:54:07
June 22 2011 05:51 GMT
#7213
On June 22 2011 14:46 HCmystic wrote:
hey i have a video card trouble. Ever since i built my comp, whenever i watch streams on Teamliquid especially, also happens sometimes when watching youtube or other videos, the screen goes blank, green or blue and than back to normal, saying the display drivers has stopped working and recovered.

My specs are
i5 2400
asrock h61m-vs
1tb seagate
4gb g.skill ripjaw
HIS radeon HD 5850
Antec neo eco 450w

Edit: i got windows 7 64bit ultimate, upgraded from pro
my temps are fine, no OC,
only happens when watching video or stream, playing games its fine

Ive tried uninstalling then deleting the old drivers, then using ccleaner, then reinstalling fresh drivers, that didn't help. ran dskchk, fix dskchk, nothing worked so far.

Anyone might have any ideas?


Turn hardware acceleration in Flash off. Right click the flash video -> click settings -> untick hardware acceleration.

Its a problem with the HD5850. Who knows why, they used to get grey screens of death a while ago and I don't think anyone figured out the reason for it.


On June 22 2011 14:48 benbrad2 wrote:
Thanks skyR and Myrmidon for your help !

To sum up my current build:

Mobo: $59.99 - ASRock H61M-VS Socket 1155 Intel H61
CPU: $129 - i3-2100
RAM: ?

Btw, I couldn't find any combo deals for i3-2100 and mobo, maybe i'm looking in the wrong page o.O
As for ram, what would best go with my setup?


2x2GB kit of the cheapest memory you can find.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 05:53:17
June 22 2011 05:52 GMT
#7214
@HCmystic

If disabling hardware acceleration doesn't work. You can try an older driver version and downclocking the clocks using MSI Afterburner.

@benbrad2

There's basically no good combos for the core i3 2100 currently on Newegg so don't worry about it.

You can just get a single 4GB kit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231423 Remember to use promo code DM15JN11US for 15% off.
benbrad2
Profile Joined June 2011
103 Posts
June 22 2011 05:58 GMT
#7215
Why single kit?
No difference compared to dual channel ?
Whatsup
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 22 2011 06:00 GMT
#7216
Difference is negligible.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
June 22 2011 06:06 GMT
#7217
Performance difference is generally negligible, but so is the $4 price difference probably. It's not a big deal either way.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231394
Raagruk
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada66 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 07:14:17
June 22 2011 07:12 GMT
#7218
hey all im looking to build a new PC to game with and figured the best place to get some recommendations is on this site. i filled in all the questions from the OP but if you folks need anymore info let me know.

thanks in advance
Raag


What is your budget?

$400-600 CDN

What is your resolution?

1600*900
What are you using it for?

Mostly gaming

What is your upgrade cycle?
2 years+


When do you plan on building it?


In September

Do you plan on overclocking?
no

Do you need an Operating System?
yes windows 7 please

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
not at this time


Where are you buying your parts from?

I live in Canada so i have access to Newegg and perhaps Tiger Direct but id prefer Newegg

Be Bloody, Bold and Resolute.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17025 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 08:05:40
June 22 2011 08:04 GMT
#7219
Alright, here is my second draft build for my small/portable/affordable gaming computer:

Case Lian Li PC-Q08 (black) 110
CPU i5-2400 190
MOBO Gigabyte GA-H55N-USB3 105
RAM Gskill Ripjaws 2x4GB 75
PSU SilverStone Strider ST50f-P 500 W 80
GPU XFX HD-685X-ZDFC Radeon HD6850 1GB 256-bit 175
HDD WD C.Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200RPM 32MB 85
Cable (newegg only has bare drives) 5
Fan Scythe Slipstreams 15 (ea)
Opt.Dr. Random 15
W.Adap. Random 15

Subtotal: 870 + multiples of 15 (fans)
Monitor/Keyboard/Speaker budget 250

Total: 1120 + multiples of 15 (fans)

Note that I won't actually be building this until early September/Early August, and things'll likely change, especially prices on newegg. Does this look like a good preliminary build, though? Also, how many fans will I need? <_<

This is my first time building a computer and I'm gonna be completely new at it. Anything I should watch out for?

EDIT: Not planning on overclocking, but I might move my OS/programs to an SSD eventually. They're just too expensive at the moment for me.
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Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 09:19:32
June 22 2011 09:12 GMT
#7220
Prices won't really change, save for specials here and there, and no new hardware that is worth mentioning is coming out. You won't need any additional fans, the case comes with the 140mm and the 120mm preinstalled. If you want to get rid of that LED fan, just put duct tape over the LEDs or buy a new 140mm fan - my mistake, the front LED fan is 140mm and not 120mm like I previously stated.

The only thing you need to do is watch this and plan how you are going to route your cables and install all of your hardware. Because this is a mITX case with a full size ATX PSU, you are going to need to plan this out otherwise its going to end up fairly messy - I've built a lot of computers and these mITX cases with lots of hardware are always the most annoying to build in. Buy a pack of zipties from the $2 store before you build it to shorten cable lengths if they are too long.

Because you have a fully modular power supply, I suggest installing the PSU last. That gives you significantly more room to connect everything up.
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