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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
November 13 2012 23:19 GMT
#701
I did have to claim. But yeah let's leave that for post game.

I currently have two scumreads ZB and Iamp. If ZB isnt geting lynnjed thats understandable but iamp is a good target for todays lynch probably

lurking wise
xfire is getting modkilled/replaced probably so thats good

Im chiefly concerned about thrawn because he wont get modkilled and is lurking

will make sure to write good cases today
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9643 Posts
November 13 2012 23:26 GMT
#702
On November 14 2012 08:17 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 08:10 iamperfection wrote:
On November 14 2012 07:26 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 14 2012 07:21 marvellosity wrote:
no Hapa, the point is you're not putting yourself in scum iamp shoes, not town iamp shoes.


His rationale and motive make sense to me from a scum perspective - I've already mentioned that. Making a 180 when spurred by another case is scummy and convenient. I realize you disagree, but I think you're wrong.

And to draw comparisons to the read on Kei you mentioned in GSL III - I find imaperfection's actions alone much more scummy than Kei's actions in GSL III. Kei has a history of reluctant D1 play. Iamperfection doesn't have a history of these things in his town play to my knowledge.

Hapa tunnels me almost always regardless of mine or his alignment i dont get why he seems to think ive committed some sort of crime but whatever he can continue to waste time on me or go for something more legitimate. Either way his tunneling of me doesn't tell me anything about his alignment for the time being. However hapa eventually opens up in his decision making process if he is town.

Hapa if your scum just continue to waste my time because it will become so clear that your scum. I did what i did you didnt like it tough for you. Either go cry in corner about it if your scum or find some actual scum.


@ iamp

Can you explain your thought process on Z-Bo to me because I just can't understand it. Why were you so initially convinced he was town based on his claim? Is the case you posted on him the only things you find scummy about him? I can't connect the dots.

alright my thinking early on when i first saw it was i thought it would be pretty ballsy to do as scum since i thought a scum would have to worry about another miller claiming and it kind of put himself out there.

I already outlined later when i voted for him that his actions made me think that he was scum at that time.
On November 14 2012 00:04 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 15:38 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:52 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:47 Kickstart wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:42 marvellosity wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:40 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:37 iamperfection wrote:
Whats everybody think of bh he is like a very good player when he is town from what i saw and here he really hasent done anything despite being here tell me what you guys think.


Give him a chance. He is one of those guys I would 100% never lynch day one because the benefits of him being town vastly out weigh the risks of him being scum.

From what I have heard around the grapevine however he is fairly easy to read as scum so we should be fine to take a look at him later on in the game.


you kidding? I'd lynch him day 1 in a heartbeat if I thought he was scum.


Well. That is fine. But I am not going to lynch him day one when he is a very good town player and the only case against him so far is that he is lurking.


The night (or day in terms of our game i guess!) is young, I wouldn't call anyone a lurker just yet. But I agree with marv that people who give off scum vibes should get the vote and find it odd that you are basically stating that you wouldn't vote for him no matter what ;o.


Yep. I would not. I would not vote day one for Hapa or marv either. Unless there was something super obvious I would not vote for them. But I do not think that would happen because they are all good players and that is why I respect them I suppose.



Honestly I think it's bad to tie yourself down with ideas like that. If someone's playing scummy, they're playing scummy. My scum play isn't amazing, but due to my extreme sex appeal and enormous intelligence and penis, I can assure you that it's improved a great deal. Mostly it's due to my large penis-- it is quite a monstrosity. It works as a pad, even.

Back on topic, don't feel like you can't vote or push people because of possible contributions. This kind of play is lazy and puts preconceived notions of what certain players are worth ahead of behavioral analysis. Someone voting for me because they legitimately think I'm scum and they have the cojones to do it is infinitely more helpful to town than someone not voting me because I'm a sexy baller.

That being said, iamperfection's vote is pretty typical iamperfection throwing his vote around trying to pressure people but not doing it effectively. He needs to realize that you should vote people when you want to lynch them, or else you won't be taken seriously.

LOL dont you dare talk down to me you little punk. You criticize me when YOU were the one being all terrible with your first couple of posts. Being all herp derp i don't have to contribute even though interesting things were happening at the time. Give me a break

But that being said ## Unvote

Your case on zbos reminds me more of your play from rockband more then the way you were being early on.

Lokking at what zbos has posted especially this crap which bh pointed out
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 10:04 Z-BosoN wrote:
Loving the activity so far.
What I'm not loving is the excess of activity coming from debears.
He's being very chit-chatty this game and here's what I find very interesting.
He has commented on every single little thing on this game and is posting a ton (which by itself is anti-town, as it clogs up the thread and makes it difficult to read), but when dealing with the only significant thing that has yet happened in this thread, he simply shrugs it off as:

On November 13 2012 09:46 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
i guess theirs no reason not to believe zbos right? has to be to risky to do if he was scum right.


Eh. If it's down to lylo we'll need to take a strong look at it if he's alive. Other than that, nothing much to talk about with the claim


For someone who is analytical enough to attempt to judge marv's early game reactions, he's sure not being analytical about my claim. This smells scummy to me.

##vote debears


If you look closely debears never said anything about being able to tell if marv is town or not from an anyltical standpoint he made it pretty clear that it was not the case and that he had said he was simply going to vote for him no matter what.

Zbos totally misrepresents what is being said here and if he has the courage to throw a vote out for it you would have thought he would have read clearly what he was in fact voting for.
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 11:05 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Hapa: To be honest, I've had an opposite reaction from iamp's trusting of me. I think scum would think twice before openly accepting any townie claim. In his last scum game, iirc, he was much pickier on his town reads. May be wrong here.

@debears

On November 13 2012 10:16 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:13 Z-BosoN wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:02 strongandbig wrote:
also fuck you zboson i wanted to fakeclaim miller as vt since then people couldn't say "oh he's fakeclaiming miller must mean he's scum" when i fakeclaim miller as scum

but now if i did that people would be like "two millers what are the odds" and then probably lynch you so no good on that one


Glad I beat you to it.
Interesting way to claim VT though. Actually I find that suspicious as fuck.

##Unvote
##Vote strongandbig

Debears, I hope your posting improves throughout this game. Also, what do you mean by "that argument again?".


z-bo, I face an onslaught of fluff accusations d1 last game. And, in the end, was night killed d1 after having 2/3 of my top reads being the two scum :D


Great, grats. So you suffer an onslaught of fluff accusations day one, and yet you still plague the thread with fluff? Do you find nothing wrong with that?

@marv
So you say that you fit best the description of actively lurking, and pretty much continue to do that? Tell me more.


This post here is also another pile of crap and its the iamperfection rule of whoever defends me is probably scum. If he cared at all to check in gsl III where i was scum which he played in lollololol i thrw around 2 strong town reads early on he should know this and the fact that he isnt willing to do any legwork in order to find out is more evidence not in his favor. This post is also extremly wishy washy on everything he said.

I know i said early on that i thought the miller claim was more of a town tell but well i think zbos actions speak louder.

so ## Vote zboson



Since then his case on bh, which i completely disagree bh with, it wasnt omgus and his further pushing of that case when he found it to be unsatisfactory response make me know think he more than ever he is likely to be town.

he did that here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=33#643

Zbos is being open in his thought process and he is actively pushing his read i find that to be a town attribute and makes me think even more with his prodding of bh that he is likely to be town.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
November 13 2012 23:28 GMT
#703
iamperfection is right

still though since his initial snb post and the poor quality of his starting case on me zb has been open and honest with his thoughts and pushed me-- and id like to think im not an easy or natural lynch target for scum.

##unvote
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9643 Posts
November 13 2012 23:29 GMT
#704
On November 14 2012 08:19 Blazinghand wrote:
I did have to claim. But yeah let's leave that for post game.

I currently have two scumreads ZB and Iamp. If ZB isnt geting lynnjed thats understandable but iamp is a good target for todays lynch probably

lurking wise
xfire is getting modkilled/replaced probably so thats good

Im chiefly concerned about thrawn because he wont get modkilled and is lurking

will make sure to write good cases today

i said it before make something proper if you think I'm scum instead of saying i'm a good lynch.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9643 Posts
November 13 2012 23:30 GMT
#705
you ninja
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
November 13 2012 23:31 GMT
#706
yeah i dunno what to think now gotta read up and rethink
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
November 13 2012 23:32 GMT
#707
and yes im aware its not helpful to my cred to say that but sometimes truth isnt expeident
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 13 2012 23:34 GMT
#708
I'm gonna go to bed soon, getting late.

Darth, I hope you show up soon and give us something to work with.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9643 Posts
November 13 2012 23:35 GMT
#709
On November 14 2012 08:31 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah i dunno what to think now gotta read up and rethink

.......what changed???????????????????????

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
November 13 2012 23:38 GMT
#710
your thoughts on ZB convinced me that his aggression towards me is from a town mindset-- especially his pursurt of it. you doing this is pro-town and conveys a thought process thats trying to help. i no longer think ZB is scum and if thats the case your only motive for stopping me from going for him wiuld be to help town discoyrse
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 13 2012 23:39 GMT
#711
@iamp

##Unvote

From your reactions so far, you're probably town. The "I don't give a fuck" thing has been on full display for the last few hours, and that meta read hasn't been wrong on you yet.

I also do like the post on Z-Bo, but I give him less townie points than you do. Z-Bo can push a read as either allignment, but I do agree he's being open so far.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
November 13 2012 23:40 GMT
#712
yeah the ZB defense imo tells us more about iamp than it does about ZB-- but either way neither of them a good lynch today
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 13 2012 23:45 GMT
#713
On November 14 2012 08:40 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah the ZB defense imo tells us more about iamp than it does about ZB-- but either way neither of them a good lynch today


Yeah I'm looking at Thrawn and Kickstart atm. Thrawn's inactivity is pretty uncharacteristic of him so far. Kickstart as well dumped some suspicion on me and then peace'd out. I'm a bit more forgiving to Kickstart though as a first-time player.

So let's get thrawn talking shall we?

##Vote Thrawn

(Would love to hear from kickstart too, but more concerned with Thrawn atm)
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 14 2012 00:18 GMT
#714
Allrighty back.
Dammit BH, I really think you should have saved your claim until later, you gave up too easily :/
I wasn't as certain on you as it might have seemed, but I wanted to gauge your reaction by throwing you against the wall.
Anyways, here's what I think of this game so far.

marv is likely town. He's a difficult town read to give, but his posting here seems genuine, and is much different than in GSL. Either he's trying much harder as scum or he's town. For now I'll go with the latter.

Clarity is likely town. Just look at him being all cute under a major dirt-flinging fest. I'm townie, and so must be BH right now, so if I know my XXX analysis straight, scum hate posting during these sort of fightsituations, and It's harder for me to see scum posting during all of that like he did.

Kickstart is likely town. He seems very genuine with his thoughts, and his posts, to me, seem townie-oriented.

iamp is likely town. If his entire 180 attention-drawing isn't enough, then his activeness during all of this also indicate to me he is town.

This is how I feel right now regarding townsfolk.

Originally I had SnB down as town, but I feel he is null right now to me, I dunno, have a hard time reading him. Would (maybe?) give a town read on him?
Thrawn is null to me. I can't see him being this quiet either as townie or as scum. He really really has to explain himself or be replaced thoug...
Crossfire is afk.

Now towards the scummers

Hapauli. Much quieter this game. Much less present. Disappeared during all of my interaction with BH, only to appear after the claim. I don't buy his cases, especially the one on iamp. Completely ignored my first case on BH, and town Hapa usually comments on everything. In the beginning, put on some light pressure on DP, then unvoted him from some easy explanation only to never mention him again. Not a play I'd see hapa do.

debears. Began the game with excessive posting, made a poor sheepy follow-up on iamp. Disappeared and has drastically reduced his posting. Seems pretty damn scummy.

DarthPunk Doesn't have much to work with, is likely working on the other game. I find it weird how little attention he's getting from some of the scummier folk. A bad tell, but he's here mostly by elimination.

Hopeless1der Not sure of his play yet. It's comparable to that of LVII, but I can see him as scum. Dunno.




These are just my thoughts, mainly to get discussion going and for BH to see what he thinks (there's still a chance he's scum, but I'm assuming he is town for now).

I haven't decided who I want to lynch yet, these are just my thoughts from my current level of reading. Tomorrow I'll be back probably with more powerful cases.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 00:19 GMT
#715
On November 14 2012 08:39 Hapahauli wrote:
@iamp

##Unvote

From your reactions so far, you're probably town. The "I don't give a fuck" thing has been on full display for the last few hours, and that meta read hasn't been wrong on you yet.

I also do like the post on Z-Bo, but I give him less townie points than you do. Z-Bo can push a read as either allignment, but I do agree he's being open so far.




i return, less heatedly
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 00:20 GMT
#716
i agree with much of what you say, z-bo
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 14 2012 00:39 GMT
#717
lol

what just happened
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 14 2012 00:39 GMT
#718
bet five bucks bh comes in at night action deadlines with "trololol fake claim"
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 14 2012 00:41 GMT
#719
Hapauli. Much quieter this game. Much less present. Disappeared during all of my interaction with BH, only to appear after the claim. I don't buy his cases, especially the one on iamp. Completely ignored my first case on BH, and town Hapa usually comments on everything. In the beginning, put on some light pressure on DP, then unvoted him from some easy explanation only to never mention him again. Not a play I'd see hapa do.


I'm in school on weekdays - it's impossible for me to be more "present" than I currently am.

As for BH, I DID comment on him:

On November 14 2012 07:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh sniped by some cases on BH. I'll get to that in a bit.

I've always heard that BH's scum-play is notoriously bad, and he seems more fearless than I would expect from his "bad" scum play. I'll take a look at the cases, but that's my first impression of him anywho.


He claimed shortly thereafter, so it was pointless for me to comment more.




On to the rest of your stuff:

Your Town Reads:
Agree on clarity and iamperfection. Clarity seems much more engaged this game than his Newbie XXX game. Iamperfection for reasons previously stated.
Disagree on marv. I don't think he's done anything alignment indicative. He's definitely capable of doing this as scum, even though he played a more dispirited game last game. Completely null on him.

Your Null Reads:
I'm putting SnB into the town category (again POSSIBLY the SK, but I don't want to speculate too much). His play so far is such a far departure from his scumplay.
Crossfire is null (duh)
I'm getting more scum vibes from Thrawn. He's made one pretty coherent post and just peaced out. He could be afk for RL issues or something, but given that he's never played a scumgame (to my knowledge) and that we have a sudden deviation in his play, the connection is there.

Your Scumreads
Disagree with me obv, I'm town dawg

As for debears, he was one of the players willing to follow me on iamperfection, and he made one of those "overkill"/"overexplained" cases when voting him:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=29#575
It reads as really artificial and a way to cover his bases. Agreed here.

I'm firmly null on DarthPunk. Hopeless is lurky, but that's normal regardless of alignment for him (null as well).


a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 14 2012 00:42 GMT
#720
i also like how bh gives us four completely nonstandard games to judge his scum meta by
one he was SK, two scum team had weird communication restrictions, one was idiot cop mafia
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