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I think the point he's trying to make is more "be careful around strangers".
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On August 25 2012 03:36 Zoesan wrote:
I think the point he's trying to make is more "be careful around strangers".
They're not always strangers ><
In most cases they aren't.
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On August 25 2012 03:36 Zoesan wrote:
I think the point he's trying to make is more "be careful around strangers".
The hypothetical situation that he was talking about was with someone the victim knew.
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United States43722 Posts
Yeah, Hnnngg isn't singling out women as being to blame for rape but rather saying that everyone who trusts anyone is responsible for whatever abuses stem for that. It's a weird world view but not specifically misogynistic which is why I didn't call him out on it.
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On August 25 2012 03:34 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:29 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:24 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:19 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:17 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:15 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:13 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:09 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:02 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 02:58 Hnnngg wrote:
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Easy, don't get escorted home. Problem: solved. So the solution for women to not get raped is to never put themselves in a position where they are in the same room as a rapist? Stop thinking in black and white. There is no solution. It's like trying to find a solution to the drug "problem" in America. Scenario 1: 1.You invited a person into your house. 2. They rape you. Scenario 2: 1. You didn't invite a person into your house 2. They did not rape you. That's just standard cause-and-effect science. Of course you could possibly invite someone in and they don't rape you, or you don't invite them and they do rape you, but that's not exactly relevant. I know a girl who was acquaintance raped, you probably do too to be honest, it's really, really common but people tend not to talk about it due to exactly your response. Rapists don't wear labels and a world view based around forcing women to choose between the same freedoms that men enjoy and being raped (and being told their desire for freedom caused their rape) is fucked up. But I didn't say anything about women or men  You said that the way to avoid being raped was to allow the threat of rape to strip you of your liberties. Being safe rather than sorry. Guess how many times I've been forced to penetrate (I'm male). I won't bother with the guessing, 0! Because I don't make mistakes regarding who I associate with. Thus, I don't suffer the negative consequences. I walk home drunk by myself, regardless of how many times/people ask if they can help. So women who find themselves in any position in which they are vulnerable with a man have made a mistake? Rapists. Do. Not. Wear. Labels. Around 6% of college men will, in anonymous surveys, willingly admit to being rapists. You are advocating that women adopt a systematic policy of non interaction with men and those that don't have neglected their personal safety regarding rape. You cannot strip away the freedom of half of the population like that. Not half the populace, all of it. 100% of people who drive should wear seatbelts. 100% of people who are sexually active should wear condoms. Standard safety procedure stuff. And 100% of the population should not interact with the other sex? That seems like a pretty bad solution to the problem.
There is no solution. Only precautions you can take to avoid stuff. Do you feel bad for people who don't wear seatbelts and become quadriplegic? I don't, wear your seatbelt.
You said, "100% of the population should not interact with the other sex". That's not exactly what I proposed. I'm saying that if you're piss-ass drunk and you let a stranger walk you home, into your house, up to your bed, and they force your penis inside their vagina, then you brought it upon yourself.
On August 25 2012 03:37 Elsid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:36 Zoesan wrote:
I think the point he's trying to make is more "be careful around strangers". They're not always strangers >< In most cases they aren't.
Don't become friends with rapists. 100% of my friends are not rapists.
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On August 25 2012 03:03 HardlyNever wrote:
I've thought about whether I should post this story here, but the discussion seems to be stuck on this idea of what is rape in the guy's mind and what it is in the girl's mind, and this is very relevant to that. Maybe someone will learn a thing or two about sex and rape from a female perspective, because I know I did back when this happened.
Back when I was in college I dated this girl who had a pretty screwed up sexual past. Namely, she was molested at a fairly young age by someone she trusted, and raped at the age of 13 by someone else she trusted (friend of the family). Needless to say she had some sexual issues. Anyhow, when we first started dating there came a moment where she told me a story about something that had happened pretty recently to her (how recently I couldn't say exactly, it sounded like a month to 2 months prior to us dating). She had been out with her friends at the local bars (I went to a college that was generally listed in the top 10 party schools of the Princeton review) and basically picked up a guy at a bar. Who did the initiating or showing of interest first, I don't know. So she ends up bringing the guy back to her apartment. Somewhere along the way, either walking back or getting to her apt (I don't honestly know exactly when) she decides she does not want to have sex with this guy. It might have been even when they were in bed (additionally, they were both really drunk). Well at that point, the guy wasn't taking no for an answer, and raped her. Or whatever exactly happened (I never got the gruesome details), she FELT raped. Genuinely raped.
Now me being a young undergrad at the time (and not understanding the full extent to which this hurt her), did the thing most of you are probably thinking. I said it was her fault, she put herself in that situation, and basically said the guy had no way to know what you were thinking/feeling (pretty standard blame the victim). She never reported it, and she said my response/thinking was basically why (not MINE specifically, but that line of reasoning). No one would believe her, everyone would say it was her fault, etc. That said, I didn't really understand how much this hurt her until months and months later. This girl still had (and probably still does) flashbacks to that moment, which reduced her to tears. She felt raped, and in her mind she was raped. And this is from a girl that knows what "genuine (w/e that means)" rape feels like.
I learned a lot about the idea of "consent" and really being able to tell when a girl was into it and when she wasn't from being with her. I have no idea if this has any bearing on "legal" rape, but I know that women can feel raped even when an hour prior they were inviting it into their house.
I think that sort of story (which probably is pretty common across college campuses) is why rape laws are so hard to nail down.
Thanks for sharing this story. I have been in a similar situation, not taking the girl seriously enough is one of the biggest regrets of my life. I genuinely feel ashamed that my one of my first reactions was to blame her for being naive, rather than to show the support and compasion she needed. I was 16 and not prepared, but this is not much of an excuse.
One thing that troubles me about your post is that you continually emphasize that she felt raped. Implying that in some way the rape was not real. From the sound of your post she actually WAS raped by someone who was denied something that he anticipated. Maybe you can elaborate.
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On August 25 2012 03:38 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:34 imallinson wrote:On August 25 2012 03:29 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:24 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:19 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:17 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:15 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:13 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:09 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:02 KwarK wrote:
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So the solution for women to not get raped is to never put themselves in a position where they are in the same room as a rapist? Stop thinking in black and white. There is no solution. It's like trying to find a solution to the drug "problem" in America. Scenario 1: 1.You invited a person into your house. 2. They rape you. Scenario 2: 1. You didn't invite a person into your house 2. They did not rape you. That's just standard cause-and-effect science. Of course you could possibly invite someone in and they don't rape you, or you don't invite them and they do rape you, but that's not exactly relevant. I know a girl who was acquaintance raped, you probably do too to be honest, it's really, really common but people tend not to talk about it due to exactly your response. Rapists don't wear labels and a world view based around forcing women to choose between the same freedoms that men enjoy and being raped (and being told their desire for freedom caused their rape) is fucked up. But I didn't say anything about women or men You said that the way to avoid being raped was to allow the threat of rape to strip you of your liberties. Being safe rather than sorry. Guess how many times I've been forced to penetrate (I'm male). I won't bother with the guessing, 0! Because I don't make mistakes regarding who I associate with. Thus, I don't suffer the negative consequences. I walk home drunk by myself, regardless of how many times/people ask if they can help. So women who find themselves in any position in which they are vulnerable with a man have made a mistake? Rapists. Do. Not. Wear. Labels. Around 6% of college men will, in anonymous surveys, willingly admit to being rapists. You are advocating that women adopt a systematic policy of non interaction with men and those that don't have neglected their personal safety regarding rape. You cannot strip away the freedom of half of the population like that. Not half the populace, all of it. 100% of people who drive should wear seatbelts. 100% of people who are sexually active should wear condoms. Standard safety procedure stuff. And 100% of the population should not interact with the other sex? That seems like a pretty bad solution to the problem. There is no solution. Only precautions you can take to avoid stuff. Do you feel bad for people who don't wear seatbelts and become quadriplegic? I don't, wear your seatbelt. You said, "100% of the population should not interact with the other sex". That's not exactly what I proposed. I'm saying that if you're piss-ass drunk and you let a stranger walk you home, into your house, up to your bed, and they force your penis inside their vagina, then you brought it upon yourself. Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:37 Elsid wrote:On August 25 2012 03:36 Zoesan wrote:
I think the point he's trying to make is more "be careful around strangers". They're not always strangers >< In most cases they aren't. Don't become friends with rapists. 100% of my friends are not rapists.
Because of course rapists have brands on their foreheads that read "I RAPE PEOPLE"
You're being utterly absurd.
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On August 25 2012 03:38 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:34 imallinson wrote:On August 25 2012 03:29 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:24 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:19 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:17 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:15 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:13 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:09 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:02 KwarK wrote:
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So the solution for women to not get raped is to never put themselves in a position where they are in the same room as a rapist? Stop thinking in black and white. There is no solution. It's like trying to find a solution to the drug "problem" in America. Scenario 1: 1.You invited a person into your house. 2. They rape you. Scenario 2: 1. You didn't invite a person into your house 2. They did not rape you. That's just standard cause-and-effect science. Of course you could possibly invite someone in and they don't rape you, or you don't invite them and they do rape you, but that's not exactly relevant. I know a girl who was acquaintance raped, you probably do too to be honest, it's really, really common but people tend not to talk about it due to exactly your response. Rapists don't wear labels and a world view based around forcing women to choose between the same freedoms that men enjoy and being raped (and being told their desire for freedom caused their rape) is fucked up. But I didn't say anything about women or men You said that the way to avoid being raped was to allow the threat of rape to strip you of your liberties. Being safe rather than sorry. Guess how many times I've been forced to penetrate (I'm male). I won't bother with the guessing, 0! Because I don't make mistakes regarding who I associate with. Thus, I don't suffer the negative consequences. I walk home drunk by myself, regardless of how many times/people ask if they can help. So women who find themselves in any position in which they are vulnerable with a man have made a mistake? Rapists. Do. Not. Wear. Labels. Around 6% of college men will, in anonymous surveys, willingly admit to being rapists. You are advocating that women adopt a systematic policy of non interaction with men and those that don't have neglected their personal safety regarding rape. You cannot strip away the freedom of half of the population like that. Not half the populace, all of it. 100% of people who drive should wear seatbelts. 100% of people who are sexually active should wear condoms. Standard safety procedure stuff. And 100% of the population should not interact with the other sex? That seems like a pretty bad solution to the problem. There is no solution. Only precautions you can take to avoid stuff. Do you feel bad for people who don't wear seatbelts and become quadriplegic? I don't, wear your seatbelt. You said, "100% of the population should not interact with the other sex". That's not exactly what I proposed. I'm saying that if you're piss-ass drunk and you let a stranger walk you home, into your house, up to your bed, and they force your penis inside their vagina, then you brought it upon yourself. Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:37 Elsid wrote:On August 25 2012 03:36 Zoesan wrote:
I think the point he's trying to make is more "be careful around strangers". They're not always strangers >< In most cases they aren't. Don't become friends with rapists. 100% of my friends are not rapists.
Majority of rape isn't done by strangers, the situation I described was acquaintance rape. Also rapists don't wear labels, chances are reasonably good one of your friends is a rapist.
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On August 25 2012 03:40 Elsid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:38 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:34 imallinson wrote:On August 25 2012 03:29 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:24 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:19 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:17 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:15 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:13 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:09 Hnnngg wrote:
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Stop thinking in black and white. There is no solution. It's like trying to find a solution to the drug "problem" in America.
Scenario 1:
1.You invited a person into your house.
2. They rape you.
Scenario 2:
1. You didn't invite a person into your house
2. They did not rape you.
That's just standard cause-and-effect science. Of course you could possibly invite someone in and they don't rape you, or you don't invite them and they do rape you, but that's not exactly relevant.
I know a girl who was acquaintance raped, you probably do too to be honest, it's really, really common but people tend not to talk about it due to exactly your response. Rapists don't wear labels and a world view based around forcing women to choose between the same freedoms that men enjoy and being raped (and being told their desire for freedom caused their rape) is fucked up. But I didn't say anything about women or men You said that the way to avoid being raped was to allow the threat of rape to strip you of your liberties. Being safe rather than sorry. Guess how many times I've been forced to penetrate (I'm male). I won't bother with the guessing, 0! Because I don't make mistakes regarding who I associate with. Thus, I don't suffer the negative consequences. I walk home drunk by myself, regardless of how many times/people ask if they can help. So women who find themselves in any position in which they are vulnerable with a man have made a mistake? Rapists. Do. Not. Wear. Labels. Around 6% of college men will, in anonymous surveys, willingly admit to being rapists. You are advocating that women adopt a systematic policy of non interaction with men and those that don't have neglected their personal safety regarding rape. You cannot strip away the freedom of half of the population like that. Not half the populace, all of it. 100% of people who drive should wear seatbelts. 100% of people who are sexually active should wear condoms. Standard safety procedure stuff. And 100% of the population should not interact with the other sex? That seems like a pretty bad solution to the problem. There is no solution. Only precautions you can take to avoid stuff. Do you feel bad for people who don't wear seatbelts and become quadriplegic? I don't, wear your seatbelt. You said, "100% of the population should not interact with the other sex". That's not exactly what I proposed. I'm saying that if you're piss-ass drunk and you let a stranger walk you home, into your house, up to your bed, and they force your penis inside their vagina, then you brought it upon yourself. On August 25 2012 03:37 Elsid wrote:On August 25 2012 03:36 Zoesan wrote:
I think the point he's trying to make is more "be careful around strangers". They're not always strangers >< In most cases they aren't. Don't become friends with rapists. 100% of my friends are not rapists. Because of course rapists have brands on their foreheads that read "I RAPE PEOPLE" You're being utterly absurd.
Anything worth doing isn't easy. You want to be spoonfed information about people like whether or not they rape people?
There are different amounts of trust you should put in people. I trust my friends because I know they won't rape me. They've passed their rites. Strangers I don't trust, no matter how sexy/muscular they are. I've never been in a situation where consent could be misconstrued because I don't put myself in those situations.
On August 25 2012 03:41 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:38 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:34 imallinson wrote:On August 25 2012 03:29 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:24 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:19 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:17 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:15 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:13 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:09 Hnnngg wrote:
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Stop thinking in black and white. There is no solution. It's like trying to find a solution to the drug "problem" in America.
Scenario 1:
1.You invited a person into your house.
2. They rape you.
Scenario 2:
1. You didn't invite a person into your house
2. They did not rape you.
That's just standard cause-and-effect science. Of course you could possibly invite someone in and they don't rape you, or you don't invite them and they do rape you, but that's not exactly relevant.
I know a girl who was acquaintance raped, you probably do too to be honest, it's really, really common but people tend not to talk about it due to exactly your response. Rapists don't wear labels and a world view based around forcing women to choose between the same freedoms that men enjoy and being raped (and being told their desire for freedom caused their rape) is fucked up. But I didn't say anything about women or men You said that the way to avoid being raped was to allow the threat of rape to strip you of your liberties. Being safe rather than sorry. Guess how many times I've been forced to penetrate (I'm male). I won't bother with the guessing, 0! Because I don't make mistakes regarding who I associate with. Thus, I don't suffer the negative consequences. I walk home drunk by myself, regardless of how many times/people ask if they can help. So women who find themselves in any position in which they are vulnerable with a man have made a mistake? Rapists. Do. Not. Wear. Labels. Around 6% of college men will, in anonymous surveys, willingly admit to being rapists. You are advocating that women adopt a systematic policy of non interaction with men and those that don't have neglected their personal safety regarding rape. You cannot strip away the freedom of half of the population like that. Not half the populace, all of it. 100% of people who drive should wear seatbelts. 100% of people who are sexually active should wear condoms. Standard safety procedure stuff. And 100% of the population should not interact with the other sex? That seems like a pretty bad solution to the problem. There is no solution. Only precautions you can take to avoid stuff. Do you feel bad for people who don't wear seatbelts and become quadriplegic? I don't, wear your seatbelt. You said, "100% of the population should not interact with the other sex". That's not exactly what I proposed. I'm saying that if you're piss-ass drunk and you let a stranger walk you home, into your house, up to your bed, and they force your penis inside their vagina, then you brought it upon yourself. On August 25 2012 03:37 Elsid wrote:On August 25 2012 03:36 Zoesan wrote:
I think the point he's trying to make is more "be careful around strangers". They're not always strangers >< In most cases they aren't. Don't become friends with rapists. 100% of my friends are not rapists. Majority of rape isn't done by strangers, the situation I described was acquaintance rape. Also rapists don't wear labels, chances are reasonably good one of your friends is a rapist.
So it's impossible to tell before a rape is occurring whether someone is a rapist? I suppose it's also impossible to tell before you're being murdered that the person you're murdering might have some tendency to murder people.
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Again, not the point he's trying to make I think. He isn't taking away the realness of her experience, he's trying to show the important part: the emotional state of the victim in this case. Just my interpretation though.
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On August 25 2012 03:38 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:34 imallinson wrote:On August 25 2012 03:29 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:24 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:19 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:17 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:15 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:13 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:09 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:02 KwarK wrote:
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So the solution for women to not get raped is to never put themselves in a position where they are in the same room as a rapist? Stop thinking in black and white. There is no solution. It's like trying to find a solution to the drug "problem" in America. Scenario 1: 1.You invited a person into your house. 2. They rape you. Scenario 2: 1. You didn't invite a person into your house 2. They did not rape you. That's just standard cause-and-effect science. Of course you could possibly invite someone in and they don't rape you, or you don't invite them and they do rape you, but that's not exactly relevant. I know a girl who was acquaintance raped, you probably do too to be honest, it's really, really common but people tend not to talk about it due to exactly your response. Rapists don't wear labels and a world view based around forcing women to choose between the same freedoms that men enjoy and being raped (and being told their desire for freedom caused their rape) is fucked up. But I didn't say anything about women or men You said that the way to avoid being raped was to allow the threat of rape to strip you of your liberties. Being safe rather than sorry. Guess how many times I've been forced to penetrate (I'm male). I won't bother with the guessing, 0! Because I don't make mistakes regarding who I associate with. Thus, I don't suffer the negative consequences. I walk home drunk by myself, regardless of how many times/people ask if they can help. So women who find themselves in any position in which they are vulnerable with a man have made a mistake? Rapists. Do. Not. Wear. Labels. Around 6% of college men will, in anonymous surveys, willingly admit to being rapists. You are advocating that women adopt a systematic policy of non interaction with men and those that don't have neglected their personal safety regarding rape. You cannot strip away the freedom of half of the population like that. Not half the populace, all of it. 100% of people who drive should wear seatbelts. 100% of people who are sexually active should wear condoms. Standard safety procedure stuff. And 100% of the population should not interact with the other sex? That seems like a pretty bad solution to the problem. There is no solution. Only precautions you can take to avoid stuff. Do you feel bad for people who don't wear seatbelts and become quadriplegic? I don't, wear your seatbelt. You said, "100% of the population should not interact with the other sex". That's not exactly what I proposed. I'm saying that if you're piss-ass drunk and you let a stranger walk you home, into your house, up to your bed, and they force your penis inside their vagina, then you brought it upon yourself. Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:37 Elsid wrote:On August 25 2012 03:36 Zoesan wrote:
I think the point he's trying to make is more "be careful around strangers". They're not always strangers >< In most cases they aren't. Don't become friends with rapists. 100% of my friends are not rapists.
You are horribly uneducated about rape in this country. The vast majority of rapes are done inside someone's home and the assaulter is (over 75% of the time) someone that the victim personally knows (former significant other, family member, or friend). And you deserve to be smacked across the face if you think that you can just magically tell that your friend is a rapist. Hell, one of your friends might be a rapist and you don't even know it (less than 20% of rape/sexual assault cases are actually reported to law enforcement). The least that you could do is be educated if you're going to say things that are so insensitive and offensive.
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On August 25 2012 03:34 KwarK wrote:
Moltke, that scenario, actually not fictional.
Unless you were either the rapist or the raped in this scenario, you could not have known what actually happened, unless
a) You go by the testimony of someone you confidently trust or
b) It was proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the testimony of the accuser in this scenario was true or
c) You were a direct witness to the incident described
In case of b) and c), the scenario omitted vital details from the story. In the case of a), Thine own mouth condemneth thee, not I for circumstantial evidence such as character and assumptions of that type, as everyone has argued, has no place in being admitted as evidence.
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United Kingdom3482 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:38 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:34 imallinson wrote:On August 25 2012 03:29 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:24 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:19 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:17 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:15 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:13 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:09 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:02 KwarK wrote:
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So the solution for women to not get raped is to never put themselves in a position where they are in the same room as a rapist? Stop thinking in black and white. There is no solution. It's like trying to find a solution to the drug "problem" in America. Scenario 1: 1.You invited a person into your house. 2. They rape you. Scenario 2: 1. You didn't invite a person into your house 2. They did not rape you. That's just standard cause-and-effect science. Of course you could possibly invite someone in and they don't rape you, or you don't invite them and they do rape you, but that's not exactly relevant. I know a girl who was acquaintance raped, you probably do too to be honest, it's really, really common but people tend not to talk about it due to exactly your response. Rapists don't wear labels and a world view based around forcing women to choose between the same freedoms that men enjoy and being raped (and being told their desire for freedom caused their rape) is fucked up. But I didn't say anything about women or men You said that the way to avoid being raped was to allow the threat of rape to strip you of your liberties. Being safe rather than sorry. Guess how many times I've been forced to penetrate (I'm male). I won't bother with the guessing, 0! Because I don't make mistakes regarding who I associate with. Thus, I don't suffer the negative consequences. I walk home drunk by myself, regardless of how many times/people ask if they can help. So women who find themselves in any position in which they are vulnerable with a man have made a mistake? Rapists. Do. Not. Wear. Labels. Around 6% of college men will, in anonymous surveys, willingly admit to being rapists. You are advocating that women adopt a systematic policy of non interaction with men and those that don't have neglected their personal safety regarding rape. You cannot strip away the freedom of half of the population like that. Not half the populace, all of it. 100% of people who drive should wear seatbelts. 100% of people who are sexually active should wear condoms. Standard safety procedure stuff. And 100% of the population should not interact with the other sex? That seems like a pretty bad solution to the problem. There is no solution. Only precautions you can take to avoid stuff. Do you feel bad for people who don't wear seatbelts and become quadriplegic? I don't, wear your seatbelt. You said, "100% of the population should not interact with the other sex". That's not exactly what I proposed. I'm saying that if you're piss-ass drunk and you let a stranger walk you home, into your house, up to your bed, and they force your penis inside their vagina, then you brought it upon yourself.
The difference is that there isn't a downside to wearing your seatbelt. Also that wasn't the situation that was being discussed.
... agrees to let an acquaintance escort her home ... she passes out and wakes up during the night to find him raping her. ...
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I think we should define friend here. I personally consider about 5 people friends. Anyone else I consider an acquaintance or a buddy.
Of my friends I am 100% sure, none of them would ever rape someone.
Of my buddies I'm not. I don't think anyone would, but you never now.
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On August 25 2012 03:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:38 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:34 imallinson wrote:On August 25 2012 03:29 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:24 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:19 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:17 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:15 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:13 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:09 Hnnngg wrote:
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Stop thinking in black and white. There is no solution. It's like trying to find a solution to the drug "problem" in America.
Scenario 1:
1.You invited a person into your house.
2. They rape you.
Scenario 2:
1. You didn't invite a person into your house
2. They did not rape you.
That's just standard cause-and-effect science. Of course you could possibly invite someone in and they don't rape you, or you don't invite them and they do rape you, but that's not exactly relevant.
I know a girl who was acquaintance raped, you probably do too to be honest, it's really, really common but people tend not to talk about it due to exactly your response. Rapists don't wear labels and a world view based around forcing women to choose between the same freedoms that men enjoy and being raped (and being told their desire for freedom caused their rape) is fucked up. But I didn't say anything about women or men You said that the way to avoid being raped was to allow the threat of rape to strip you of your liberties. Being safe rather than sorry. Guess how many times I've been forced to penetrate (I'm male). I won't bother with the guessing, 0! Because I don't make mistakes regarding who I associate with. Thus, I don't suffer the negative consequences. I walk home drunk by myself, regardless of how many times/people ask if they can help. So women who find themselves in any position in which they are vulnerable with a man have made a mistake? Rapists. Do. Not. Wear. Labels. Around 6% of college men will, in anonymous surveys, willingly admit to being rapists. You are advocating that women adopt a systematic policy of non interaction with men and those that don't have neglected their personal safety regarding rape. You cannot strip away the freedom of half of the population like that. Not half the populace, all of it. 100% of people who drive should wear seatbelts. 100% of people who are sexually active should wear condoms. Standard safety procedure stuff. And 100% of the population should not interact with the other sex? That seems like a pretty bad solution to the problem. There is no solution. Only precautions you can take to avoid stuff. Do you feel bad for people who don't wear seatbelts and become quadriplegic? I don't, wear your seatbelt. You said, "100% of the population should not interact with the other sex". That's not exactly what I proposed. I'm saying that if you're piss-ass drunk and you let a stranger walk you home, into your house, up to your bed, and they force your penis inside their vagina, then you brought it upon yourself. On August 25 2012 03:37 Elsid wrote:On August 25 2012 03:36 Zoesan wrote:
I think the point he's trying to make is more "be careful around strangers". They're not always strangers >< In most cases they aren't. Don't become friends with rapists. 100% of my friends are not rapists. You are horribly uneducated about rape in this country. The vast majority of rapes are done inside someone's home and the assaulter is (over 75% of the time) someone that the victim personally knows (former significant other, family member, or friend). And you deserve to be smacked across the face if you think that you can just magically tell that your friend is a rapist. Hell, one of your friends might be a rapist and you don't even know it (less than 20% of rape/sexual assault cases are actually reported to law enforcement). The least that you could do is be educated if you're going to say things that are so insensitive and offensive.
The scenario I was replying to was where the rapist had little connection to the victim.
And I don't "magically" tell. How do you get to know people? It takes time. Put in the time to know people and you can find people you should be able to trust.
On August 25 2012 03:46 Zoesan wrote:
I think we should define friend here. I personally consider about 5 people friends. Anyone else I consider an acquaintance or a buddy.
Of my friends I am 100% sure, none of them would ever rape someone.
Of my buddies I'm not. I don't think anyone would, but you never now.
Yeah, I have 1 friend. I'm not talking about people you talk to. I'm talking about people you trust. Don't trust people you haven't taken the time to research.
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On August 25 2012 03:42 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:40 Elsid wrote:On August 25 2012 03:38 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:34 imallinson wrote:On August 25 2012 03:29 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:24 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:19 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:17 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:15 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:13 KwarK wrote:
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I know a girl who was acquaintance raped, you probably do too to be honest, it's really, really common but people tend not to talk about it due to exactly your response. Rapists don't wear labels and a world view based around forcing women to choose between the same freedoms that men enjoy and being raped (and being told their desire for freedom caused their rape) is fucked up. But I didn't say anything about women or men You said that the way to avoid being raped was to allow the threat of rape to strip you of your liberties. Being safe rather than sorry. Guess how many times I've been forced to penetrate (I'm male). I won't bother with the guessing, 0! Because I don't make mistakes regarding who I associate with. Thus, I don't suffer the negative consequences. I walk home drunk by myself, regardless of how many times/people ask if they can help. So women who find themselves in any position in which they are vulnerable with a man have made a mistake? Rapists. Do. Not. Wear. Labels. Around 6% of college men will, in anonymous surveys, willingly admit to being rapists. You are advocating that women adopt a systematic policy of non interaction with men and those that don't have neglected their personal safety regarding rape. You cannot strip away the freedom of half of the population like that. Not half the populace, all of it. 100% of people who drive should wear seatbelts. 100% of people who are sexually active should wear condoms. Standard safety procedure stuff. And 100% of the population should not interact with the other sex? That seems like a pretty bad solution to the problem. There is no solution. Only precautions you can take to avoid stuff. Do you feel bad for people who don't wear seatbelts and become quadriplegic? I don't, wear your seatbelt. You said, "100% of the population should not interact with the other sex". That's not exactly what I proposed. I'm saying that if you're piss-ass drunk and you let a stranger walk you home, into your house, up to your bed, and they force your penis inside their vagina, then you brought it upon yourself. On August 25 2012 03:37 Elsid wrote:On August 25 2012 03:36 Zoesan wrote:
I think the point he's trying to make is more "be careful around strangers". They're not always strangers >< In most cases they aren't. Don't become friends with rapists. 100% of my friends are not rapists. Because of course rapists have brands on their foreheads that read "I RAPE PEOPLE" You're being utterly absurd. Anything worth doing isn't easy. You want to be spoonfed information about people like whether or not they rape people? There are different amounts of trust you should put in people. I trust my friends because I know they won't rape me. They've passed their rites. Strangers I don't trust, no matter how sexy/muscular they are. I've never been in a situation where consent could be misconstrued because I don't put myself in those situations. Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:41 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:38 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:34 imallinson wrote:On August 25 2012 03:29 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:24 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:19 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:17 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:15 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:13 KwarK wrote:
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I know a girl who was acquaintance raped, you probably do too to be honest, it's really, really common but people tend not to talk about it due to exactly your response. Rapists don't wear labels and a world view based around forcing women to choose between the same freedoms that men enjoy and being raped (and being told their desire for freedom caused their rape) is fucked up. But I didn't say anything about women or men You said that the way to avoid being raped was to allow the threat of rape to strip you of your liberties. Being safe rather than sorry. Guess how many times I've been forced to penetrate (I'm male). I won't bother with the guessing, 0! Because I don't make mistakes regarding who I associate with. Thus, I don't suffer the negative consequences. I walk home drunk by myself, regardless of how many times/people ask if they can help. So women who find themselves in any position in which they are vulnerable with a man have made a mistake? Rapists. Do. Not. Wear. Labels. Around 6% of college men will, in anonymous surveys, willingly admit to being rapists. You are advocating that women adopt a systematic policy of non interaction with men and those that don't have neglected their personal safety regarding rape. You cannot strip away the freedom of half of the population like that. Not half the populace, all of it. 100% of people who drive should wear seatbelts. 100% of people who are sexually active should wear condoms. Standard safety procedure stuff. And 100% of the population should not interact with the other sex? That seems like a pretty bad solution to the problem. There is no solution. Only precautions you can take to avoid stuff. Do you feel bad for people who don't wear seatbelts and become quadriplegic? I don't, wear your seatbelt. You said, "100% of the population should not interact with the other sex". That's not exactly what I proposed. I'm saying that if you're piss-ass drunk and you let a stranger walk you home, into your house, up to your bed, and they force your penis inside their vagina, then you brought it upon yourself. On August 25 2012 03:37 Elsid wrote:On August 25 2012 03:36 Zoesan wrote:
I think the point he's trying to make is more "be careful around strangers". They're not always strangers >< In most cases they aren't. Don't become friends with rapists. 100% of my friends are not rapists. Majority of rape isn't done by strangers, the situation I described was acquaintance rape. Also rapists don't wear labels, chances are reasonably good one of your friends is a rapist. So it's impossible to tell before a rape is occurring whether someone is a rapist? I suppose it's also impossible to tell before you're being murdered that the person you're murdering might have some tendency to murder people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo
When the detectives asked Bernardo why he thought he was being investigated for the rapes, he admitted that he did resemble the composite. The detectives concluded that such a well-educated, well-adjusted, congenial young man could not be responsible for the vicious crimes.
Regarding one of the more prolific serial rapists and killers. But I guess the standard you hold the average woman to is higher than those of the detectives who deal with serial rapists as their job.
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On August 25 2012 03:47 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:42 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:40 Elsid wrote:On August 25 2012 03:38 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:34 imallinson wrote:On August 25 2012 03:29 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:24 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:19 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:17 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:15 Hnnngg wrote:[quote] But I didn't say anything about women or men You said that the way to avoid being raped was to allow the threat of rape to strip you of your liberties. Being safe rather than sorry. Guess how many times I've been forced to penetrate (I'm male). I won't bother with the guessing, 0! Because I don't make mistakes regarding who I associate with. Thus, I don't suffer the negative consequences. I walk home drunk by myself, regardless of how many times/people ask if they can help. So women who find themselves in any position in which they are vulnerable with a man have made a mistake? Rapists. Do. Not. Wear. Labels. Around 6% of college men will, in anonymous surveys, willingly admit to being rapists. You are advocating that women adopt a systematic policy of non interaction with men and those that don't have neglected their personal safety regarding rape. You cannot strip away the freedom of half of the population like that. Not half the populace, all of it. 100% of people who drive should wear seatbelts. 100% of people who are sexually active should wear condoms. Standard safety procedure stuff. And 100% of the population should not interact with the other sex? That seems like a pretty bad solution to the problem. There is no solution. Only precautions you can take to avoid stuff. Do you feel bad for people who don't wear seatbelts and become quadriplegic? I don't, wear your seatbelt. You said, "100% of the population should not interact with the other sex". That's not exactly what I proposed. I'm saying that if you're piss-ass drunk and you let a stranger walk you home, into your house, up to your bed, and they force your penis inside their vagina, then you brought it upon yourself. On August 25 2012 03:37 Elsid wrote:On August 25 2012 03:36 Zoesan wrote:
I think the point he's trying to make is more "be careful around strangers". They're not always strangers >< In most cases they aren't. Don't become friends with rapists. 100% of my friends are not rapists. Because of course rapists have brands on their foreheads that read "I RAPE PEOPLE" You're being utterly absurd. Anything worth doing isn't easy. You want to be spoonfed information about people like whether or not they rape people? There are different amounts of trust you should put in people. I trust my friends because I know they won't rape me. They've passed their rites. Strangers I don't trust, no matter how sexy/muscular they are. I've never been in a situation where consent could be misconstrued because I don't put myself in those situations. On August 25 2012 03:41 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:38 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:34 imallinson wrote:On August 25 2012 03:29 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:24 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:19 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:17 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:15 Hnnngg wrote:[quote] But I didn't say anything about women or men You said that the way to avoid being raped was to allow the threat of rape to strip you of your liberties. Being safe rather than sorry. Guess how many times I've been forced to penetrate (I'm male). I won't bother with the guessing, 0! Because I don't make mistakes regarding who I associate with. Thus, I don't suffer the negative consequences. I walk home drunk by myself, regardless of how many times/people ask if they can help. So women who find themselves in any position in which they are vulnerable with a man have made a mistake? Rapists. Do. Not. Wear. Labels. Around 6% of college men will, in anonymous surveys, willingly admit to being rapists. You are advocating that women adopt a systematic policy of non interaction with men and those that don't have neglected their personal safety regarding rape. You cannot strip away the freedom of half of the population like that. Not half the populace, all of it. 100% of people who drive should wear seatbelts. 100% of people who are sexually active should wear condoms. Standard safety procedure stuff. And 100% of the population should not interact with the other sex? That seems like a pretty bad solution to the problem. There is no solution. Only precautions you can take to avoid stuff. Do you feel bad for people who don't wear seatbelts and become quadriplegic? I don't, wear your seatbelt. You said, "100% of the population should not interact with the other sex". That's not exactly what I proposed. I'm saying that if you're piss-ass drunk and you let a stranger walk you home, into your house, up to your bed, and they force your penis inside their vagina, then you brought it upon yourself. On August 25 2012 03:37 Elsid wrote:On August 25 2012 03:36 Zoesan wrote:
I think the point he's trying to make is more "be careful around strangers". They're not always strangers >< In most cases they aren't. Don't become friends with rapists. 100% of my friends are not rapists. Majority of rape isn't done by strangers, the situation I described was acquaintance rape. Also rapists don't wear labels, chances are reasonably good one of your friends is a rapist. So it's impossible to tell before a rape is occurring whether someone is a rapist? I suppose it's also impossible to tell before you're being murdered that the person you're murdering might have some tendency to murder people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_BernardoShow nested quote +When the detectives asked Bernardo why he thought he was being investigated for the rapes, he admitted that he did resemble the composite. The detectives concluded that such a well-educated, well-adjusted, congenial young man could not be responsible for the vicious crimes. Regarding one of the more prolific serial rapists and killers. But I guess the standard you hold the average woman to is higher than those of the detectives who deal with serial rapists as their job.
His father was abusive and convicted of a crime. Big red flag.
His mom was a slut. Big red flag.
I wouldn't associate with that person, ever.
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On August 25 2012 03:50 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:47 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:42 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:40 Elsid wrote:On August 25 2012 03:38 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:34 imallinson wrote:On August 25 2012 03:29 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:24 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:19 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:17 KwarK wrote:
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You said that the way to avoid being raped was to allow the threat of rape to strip you of your liberties. Being safe rather than sorry. Guess how many times I've been forced to penetrate (I'm male). I won't bother with the guessing, 0! Because I don't make mistakes regarding who I associate with. Thus, I don't suffer the negative consequences. I walk home drunk by myself, regardless of how many times/people ask if they can help. So women who find themselves in any position in which they are vulnerable with a man have made a mistake? Rapists. Do. Not. Wear. Labels. Around 6% of college men will, in anonymous surveys, willingly admit to being rapists. You are advocating that women adopt a systematic policy of non interaction with men and those that don't have neglected their personal safety regarding rape. You cannot strip away the freedom of half of the population like that. Not half the populace, all of it. 100% of people who drive should wear seatbelts. 100% of people who are sexually active should wear condoms. Standard safety procedure stuff. And 100% of the population should not interact with the other sex? That seems like a pretty bad solution to the problem. There is no solution. Only precautions you can take to avoid stuff. Do you feel bad for people who don't wear seatbelts and become quadriplegic? I don't, wear your seatbelt. You said, "100% of the population should not interact with the other sex". That's not exactly what I proposed. I'm saying that if you're piss-ass drunk and you let a stranger walk you home, into your house, up to your bed, and they force your penis inside their vagina, then you brought it upon yourself. On August 25 2012 03:37 Elsid wrote:On August 25 2012 03:36 Zoesan wrote:
I think the point he's trying to make is more "be careful around strangers". They're not always strangers >< In most cases they aren't. Don't become friends with rapists. 100% of my friends are not rapists. Because of course rapists have brands on their foreheads that read "I RAPE PEOPLE" You're being utterly absurd. Anything worth doing isn't easy. You want to be spoonfed information about people like whether or not they rape people? There are different amounts of trust you should put in people. I trust my friends because I know they won't rape me. They've passed their rites. Strangers I don't trust, no matter how sexy/muscular they are. I've never been in a situation where consent could be misconstrued because I don't put myself in those situations. On August 25 2012 03:41 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:38 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:34 imallinson wrote:On August 25 2012 03:29 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:24 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:19 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:17 KwarK wrote:
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You said that the way to avoid being raped was to allow the threat of rape to strip you of your liberties. Being safe rather than sorry. Guess how many times I've been forced to penetrate (I'm male). I won't bother with the guessing, 0! Because I don't make mistakes regarding who I associate with. Thus, I don't suffer the negative consequences. I walk home drunk by myself, regardless of how many times/people ask if they can help. So women who find themselves in any position in which they are vulnerable with a man have made a mistake? Rapists. Do. Not. Wear. Labels. Around 6% of college men will, in anonymous surveys, willingly admit to being rapists. You are advocating that women adopt a systematic policy of non interaction with men and those that don't have neglected their personal safety regarding rape. You cannot strip away the freedom of half of the population like that. Not half the populace, all of it. 100% of people who drive should wear seatbelts. 100% of people who are sexually active should wear condoms. Standard safety procedure stuff. And 100% of the population should not interact with the other sex? That seems like a pretty bad solution to the problem. There is no solution. Only precautions you can take to avoid stuff. Do you feel bad for people who don't wear seatbelts and become quadriplegic? I don't, wear your seatbelt. You said, "100% of the population should not interact with the other sex". That's not exactly what I proposed. I'm saying that if you're piss-ass drunk and you let a stranger walk you home, into your house, up to your bed, and they force your penis inside their vagina, then you brought it upon yourself. On August 25 2012 03:37 Elsid wrote:On August 25 2012 03:36 Zoesan wrote:
I think the point he's trying to make is more "be careful around strangers". They're not always strangers >< In most cases they aren't. Don't become friends with rapists. 100% of my friends are not rapists. Majority of rape isn't done by strangers, the situation I described was acquaintance rape. Also rapists don't wear labels, chances are reasonably good one of your friends is a rapist. So it's impossible to tell before a rape is occurring whether someone is a rapist? I suppose it's also impossible to tell before you're being murdered that the person you're murdering might have some tendency to murder people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_BernardoWhen the detectives asked Bernardo why he thought he was being investigated for the rapes, he admitted that he did resemble the composite. The detectives concluded that such a well-educated, well-adjusted, congenial young man could not be responsible for the vicious crimes. Regarding one of the more prolific serial rapists and killers. But I guess the standard you hold the average woman to is higher than those of the detectives who deal with serial rapists as their job. His father was abusive and convicted of a crime. Big red flag. His mom was a slut. Big red flag. I wouldn't associate with that person, ever.
The guy had bad parents and therefore you wouldn't associate with him?
Shows what kind of person you are. I wouldn't associate with you, ever.
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Retraction: I was wrong about Florida rape shield laws applying only to women. Had a hard time finding the actual laws while all the news articles referred exclusively to women victims. Lesson learned.
Found some Studies on rape shield laws (including exclusion of victims clothing, sexual history)
Basically, while the intent is admirable, in practice defendants often have their right to a fair trial compromised.
http://digitalcommons.law.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1414&context=urbanlaw
"State legislatures have applied the legal relevance doctrine differ- ently in drafting their respective rape shield statutes. The numerous applications of the doctrine illustrate the difficulty of devising a com- pletely equitable rule for admitting sexual history evidence. The stat- utes that articulate a lenient standard of admissibility pose the risk of admitting irrelevant or unduly prejudicial evidence, which may im- pair the victim's interests. Statutes that contain a strict standard of admissibility prohibit evidence that could be relevant, and in fact, critical to the defendant's case. Statutes that attempt to protect the interests of both victim and accused are admirable, but often include provisions that are detrimental to one of the parties."
http://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2418&context=wmlr
"Undeniably statutes limiting the admissibility of evidence of a rape complainant's prior sexual activity seek to achieve worthy goals. Nevertheless, rape shield statutes that create a blanket exclu- sion of such evidence, whether on the issue of consent, or to rebut prosecution evidence, or to impeach the credibility of a witness for the state, sometimes will deprive the defendant of his constitutional right to a fair trial, or his right of confrontation, or both."
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On August 25 2012 03:53 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 03:50 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:47 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:42 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:40 Elsid wrote:On August 25 2012 03:38 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:34 imallinson wrote:On August 25 2012 03:29 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:24 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:19 Hnnngg wrote:
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Being safe rather than sorry. Guess how many times I've been forced to penetrate (I'm male).
I won't bother with the guessing, 0! Because I don't make mistakes regarding who I associate with. Thus, I don't suffer the negative consequences. I walk home drunk by myself, regardless of how many times/people ask if they can help. So women who find themselves in any position in which they are vulnerable with a man have made a mistake? Rapists. Do. Not. Wear. Labels. Around 6% of college men will, in anonymous surveys, willingly admit to being rapists. You are advocating that women adopt a systematic policy of non interaction with men and those that don't have neglected their personal safety regarding rape. You cannot strip away the freedom of half of the population like that. Not half the populace, all of it. 100% of people who drive should wear seatbelts. 100% of people who are sexually active should wear condoms. Standard safety procedure stuff. And 100% of the population should not interact with the other sex? That seems like a pretty bad solution to the problem. There is no solution. Only precautions you can take to avoid stuff. Do you feel bad for people who don't wear seatbelts and become quadriplegic? I don't, wear your seatbelt. You said, "100% of the population should not interact with the other sex". That's not exactly what I proposed. I'm saying that if you're piss-ass drunk and you let a stranger walk you home, into your house, up to your bed, and they force your penis inside their vagina, then you brought it upon yourself. On August 25 2012 03:37 Elsid wrote:On August 25 2012 03:36 Zoesan wrote:
I think the point he's trying to make is more "be careful around strangers". They're not always strangers >< In most cases they aren't. Don't become friends with rapists. 100% of my friends are not rapists. Because of course rapists have brands on their foreheads that read "I RAPE PEOPLE" You're being utterly absurd. Anything worth doing isn't easy. You want to be spoonfed information about people like whether or not they rape people? There are different amounts of trust you should put in people. I trust my friends because I know they won't rape me. They've passed their rites. Strangers I don't trust, no matter how sexy/muscular they are. I've never been in a situation where consent could be misconstrued because I don't put myself in those situations. On August 25 2012 03:41 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:38 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:34 imallinson wrote:On August 25 2012 03:29 Hnnngg wrote:On August 25 2012 03:24 KwarK wrote:On August 25 2012 03:19 Hnnngg wrote:
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Being safe rather than sorry. Guess how many times I've been forced to penetrate (I'm male).
I won't bother with the guessing, 0! Because I don't make mistakes regarding who I associate with. Thus, I don't suffer the negative consequences. I walk home drunk by myself, regardless of how many times/people ask if they can help. So women who find themselves in any position in which they are vulnerable with a man have made a mistake? Rapists. Do. Not. Wear. Labels. Around 6% of college men will, in anonymous surveys, willingly admit to being rapists. You are advocating that women adopt a systematic policy of non interaction with men and those that don't have neglected their personal safety regarding rape. You cannot strip away the freedom of half of the population like that. Not half the populace, all of it. 100% of people who drive should wear seatbelts. 100% of people who are sexually active should wear condoms. Standard safety procedure stuff. And 100% of the population should not interact with the other sex? That seems like a pretty bad solution to the problem. There is no solution. Only precautions you can take to avoid stuff. Do you feel bad for people who don't wear seatbelts and become quadriplegic? I don't, wear your seatbelt. You said, "100% of the population should not interact with the other sex". That's not exactly what I proposed. I'm saying that if you're piss-ass drunk and you let a stranger walk you home, into your house, up to your bed, and they force your penis inside their vagina, then you brought it upon yourself. On August 25 2012 03:37 Elsid wrote:On August 25 2012 03:36 Zoesan wrote:
I think the point he's trying to make is more "be careful around strangers". They're not always strangers >< In most cases they aren't. Don't become friends with rapists. 100% of my friends are not rapists. Majority of rape isn't done by strangers, the situation I described was acquaintance rape. Also rapists don't wear labels, chances are reasonably good one of your friends is a rapist. So it's impossible to tell before a rape is occurring whether someone is a rapist? I suppose it's also impossible to tell before you're being murdered that the person you're murdering might have some tendency to murder people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_BernardoWhen the detectives asked Bernardo why he thought he was being investigated for the rapes, he admitted that he did resemble the composite. The detectives concluded that such a well-educated, well-adjusted, congenial young man could not be responsible for the vicious crimes. Regarding one of the more prolific serial rapists and killers. But I guess the standard you hold the average woman to is higher than those of the detectives who deal with serial rapists as their job. His father was abusive and convicted of a crime. Big red flag. His mom was a slut. Big red flag. I wouldn't associate with that person, ever. The guy had bad parents and therefore you wouldn't associate with him? Shows what kind of person you are. I wouldn't associate with you, ever.
You're missing the point. Immediately from his past he has warning signs that anyone could ask him about.
"In October 1987, he met Karla Homolka.[5] They became sexually interested in each other almost immediately. Unlike the other girls he knew, she encouraged his sadistic sexual behaviour"
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Sign on his forehead: "STAY AWAY THIS FUCKER IS PROBABLY A RAPIST."
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