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On May 06 2012 08:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 08:32 Nova_Terra wrote:On May 06 2012 07:41 marvellosity wrote:On May 06 2012 07:33 Mementoss wrote:On May 06 2012 07:25 marvellosity wrote:
Mementoss: cba to do a particularly long defence, but a) you've seen what I'm like before I get going in a game b) I didn't say Katina looked like scum, I said DYH's reasoning was sound but gave the reasons for my misgivings, c) I stated that Nova's scumminess lay in the fact he hadn't pushed his 'tentative' scumreads, + already explained how this did not put him into the scum category for me.
But carry on dear... you never really got over BH's tunnelling of me last game, did you?
P.S. Question for you and all of you
1) do you think layabout is a fairly intelligent reasoned player?
if yes, proceed to 2
2) do you think layabout scum would make the mistake of not advocating policy lynch and then making one on BM?
Personally my answer is no, which is why I am not comfortable on his case Let me ask you a question back. 1) Do you think Marvellosity is good pro town player? if yes, proceed to 2 2) Why did Marvellosity avoid pressuring players or committing to anything all of day 1? Now go up and replace Marvellosity with Nova_Terra or Layabout. Added on to this, there is scummy contradictions within these cases that help add up to make me think any of the three of you could be scum. Added to the fact that Katina flipped scum, and the interactions you and Layabout had with him. Also you are giving scum players too much credit. Did you think a scum player would last minute vote switch causing a tie and lynching the opposite person, when both players are townie? These things happen to scum by mistake, or are just plain moves to fuck with you. This being said, who is your biggest scum read and why? There are moves to fuck with you (a la Risen) and then there is saying one thing and doing the other (as with layabout this case). Imo these two scenarios are not the same. Re f5-ed the thread to see BH's comment - fuck you, sweetheart. To your final question - I don't know. This is why I've prodded l10f not so long ago. Sinensis and Eiii are not far behind on who I'd like to hear a lot more from (sinensis for general quietness, Eiii because for his own reasons doesn't like talking at night, so I want him to talk more during the day). while I'm here, Nova hasn't provided any further commentary on who he finds scummy. Personally I get where he's coming from in not wanting to push something when he hasn't got anything solid, but having stated he had reads it'd be pretty nice to hear them. Summary: nope, no bigly strong scumread at the moment. wanna hear more from people i've not heard much from, because at the moment i only have anti-scum reads (layabout, grush) Did you miss my thing on mementoss? Eh, apparently so. Possibly I am a tool. will check your filter :x
Eh no, I remember reading the case and not thinking much of it sorry :/ especially as he's since made a case against me/layabout. Pretty much my bad.
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I don't believe that laya's hard defense of Katina is condemning. I don't think that it is likely that scum would defend each other so openly, especially when my case (the driving force behind a possible Katina lynch) was not picking up followers except for slOosh.
I should have a new case ready for you guys before I go to sleep tonight. But for now I'm headed out.
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I think it is condemning, scum over-reacts to things like that (at least i think, ive never actually played scum). Of course laya didn't know kat would be modkilled, which is why it is condemning. If we didn't know kat's flip, it wouldn't be bad for either of them. It's just a townie pushing his reads on another person he thinks is townie, right? Since kat flipped, no. I don't know, the flip makes me think laya is more scummy.
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On May 06 2012 00:52 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 11:17 PaqMan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 05:43 layabout wrote:Katina few posts have been critical of the disruptive play at the beginning, and acted to stamp out the bad. Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 08:00 Katina wrote:On May 03 2012 07:22 SomethingAwesome wrote:On May 03 2012 07:18 blubbdavid wrote:
Haha, we have two scumslips already.
Maybe you don't know but the role PM's for vanilla townie were sent in normal font. modkill for role PM shit? idk how to answer this without breaking rules.. you are scum... all townies will know this -mattchew You are pretty quick be calling people scum Katina Implies that the "blub scumslip affair" is stupid (it was) by implying that the accusations are rather hastily made (which further implies that they are poorly thought out) Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 08:11 Katina wrote:On May 03 2012 08:02 Blazinghand wrote:On May 03 2012 08:00 Katina wrote:On May 03 2012 07:22 SomethingAwesome wrote:On May 03 2012 07:18 blubbdavid wrote:
Haha, we have two scumslips already.
Maybe you don't know but the role PM's for vanilla townie were sent in normal font. modkill for role PM shit? idk how to answer this without breaking rules.. you are scum... all townies will know this -mattchew You are pretty quick be calling people scum Is that your whole contribution to the thread? Please, so overwhelming! Stop contributing so much! I am being sarcastic because this sentence alone that is vaguely, VAGUELY criticizering SA is far less than he has done all game for town. Game just started honey. You are so quick to run to his defense... katina points out that BH is being a big drama queen. Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 08:32 Katina wrote:On May 03 2012 08:15 Blazinghand wrote:On May 03 2012 08:14 blubbdavid wrote:
Btw, I sense some kind of BlazingKenpachi party. Didn't work out so great in Aperture Mafia. On May 03 2012 08:11 Katina wrote:On May 03 2012 08:02 Blazinghand wrote:On May 03 2012 08:00 Katina wrote:On May 03 2012 07:22 SomethingAwesome wrote:On May 03 2012 07:18 blubbdavid wrote:
Haha, we have two scumslips already.
Maybe you don't know but the role PM's for vanilla townie were sent in normal font. modkill for role PM shit? idk how to answer this without breaking rules.. you are scum... all townies will know this -mattchew You are pretty quick be calling people scum Is that your whole contribution to the thread? Please, so overwhelming! Stop contributing so much! I am being sarcastic because this sentence alone that is vaguely, VAGUELY criticizering SA is far less than he has done all game for town. Game just started honey. You are so quick to run to his defense... You're still not contributing, and being indirect. You're scum. ##unvote
##vote: Katinacome at me bro Not contributing? The game started a couple hours ago.... There hasn't been time. Indirect? Last I checked I was pretty direct with SA. Katina points out that the game is hours old and that there has not been time to contribute in response to BH's vote on her for not contributing. Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 05:05 Katina wrote:On May 04 2012 04:15 grush57 wrote:On May 04 2012 03:39 blubbdavid wrote:
I am still waiting for grush to be useful. But going through his filter in other games, my hopes will be smited.
Palmar looks like a good lynch candidate too, because he 1) isn't townielike, 2) isn't making much sense 3) voted for me without reasoning.
I assume we still have 24h+ for voting? Common atleast my useless posts are funny unlike yours. Plus, you didn't understand the situation of that game I played(I'm the same role this game too). Anyways, I'm not sure what to make of the last 3 pages. It is full of useless posts and spam and Bill Murray didn't even start yet. Several posts saying nothing except that "I'm town, trust me i gotta go.... eat?" (Like this post except im not hungry atm :D) For my reasoning of Katina vote, the game just started and blazinghand was accusing Katina for his scumminess, and I agreed so I voted for him, plus I wanted to get the ball rolling. Granted, I realize now this was a dumbshit move that was scummy,and that is my horrible reasoning for it. If you don't like it, Sorry. I would vote you blubbdavid, but I have enough people witchhunting me now.(And I didn't even rage on ladder how unlucky am I?) Though, I could just filter and quote everything and that would get the job done. I like that. BH throws around empty accusations and you jump right on board with this. Looks like a case of something called "Sheeping" Don't worry, it's curable! BM has been not been his usual posting self lately. He likes to lurk when he is Mafia. He made a few brief posts early on then disappeared into La La land. So that is something to keep an eye on. I don't like the whole idea of all the vote switching that has been going on here. It's not helpful to the town and brings nothing but confusion and chaos to everyone else. I know it's only day one but at least try to have more than one sentence before getting voting happy. Criticises grush for sheeping a baseless vote. Points out how destructive the "lets all vote for no real reason" is and tells the perpetrators to stop. If Katrina does anything suspicious it is the way in which she puts attention on BM. She tells us that he tend to lurk when he is mafia that he posted earlier and is now lurking. He isn't lurking at the moment. Lurking is playing passively, posting infrequently or posting with consistently low content. BM is inactive in this game since these are his only posts: + Show Spoiler +On May 03 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote:
I will extend the day and shorten the next night by one hour. Good luck and have fun.
Nobody died yet.
But don't worry.
what and yet.... On May 03 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote:
extended days?!
hurray! Both of which of from the very beginning of the game Just curious, but what was the point of that post layabout? Nobody was discussing her so it seemed kind of random for you to make that analysis. Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:15 slOosh wrote:On May 05 2012 05:10 layabout wrote:Katina has made posts indicative of intelligence. I do not think we should lynch katina. Do other people think that this is BS? On May 05 2012 04:46 SomethingAwesome wrote:
I don't really like layabout much. His inconsistency and lacking response to why his policy lynch is now a good option compared to earlier. The generic first post as pointed out by myself and better pointed out by DoYouHas. If he want to kill us why not vote us instead of steering town towards a werd policy lynch on BM.
(I'm not defending BM. Don't care if he live or die so far)
##Vote Layabout
//Dirk Why is SA's post BS? And where does katina make posts indicative of intelligence and how does it show a town alignment? discussion of katina: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14591170http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14591786http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14591832http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14592117My post doesn't say why i thought she was town in fact i just wanted to say that her posts made sense and i didn't want to kill somebody that was making sense when there were so many players that weren't making sense or even playing the game.
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I have a null read on laya right now, and I don't understand why people are using "he defended katina!" when the issue was clearly already addressed.
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Can't stay it's real late.
But:
How is " i think that a player is intelligent i don't think we should lynch them" a hard defence?
Does giving evidence as to why you think they are intelligent when asked and then saying that you felt something they did something scummy constitute a hard defence?
Why did layabout react to 2 votes on layabout when grush was in the lead with 5 votes with hours left and 13-ish players were yet to vote?
@Mementoss i thought we should lynch Palmar over "any other lurker" because he showed basically no interest in the lynch at all. Palmar is lazy as scum but when he town he usually bothers to do ... "stuff".
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On May 05 2012 07:16 Nova_Terra wrote:
we so good as town that the only scum we kill are those that forget to play T_T
Do you have any reads? anyone in particular that you think is scummy?
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ebwop: I read your case and I'm not sold on it.
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I have to apologize. I have been rereading and rethinking parts of my half written case (it is/was on PaqMan) and I need to rewrite. What had me looking at him was primarily his interactions with slOosh and BH.
Unfortunately I have a very busy day tomorrow that I need to get some sleep for. I'm not going to have time to rewrite or post my case until tomorrow evening (it is almost midnight here). I'll still try to check up on the thread but don't expect anything significant until then. Gnight.
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l10f
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Just read through all of the filters.
Don't really have anyone looking too incriminating but I take back my suspicions on layabout. I'm satisfied with how he defended so far. I also think grush is town based on katina's posts before he died. Blazinghand is confirmed now with his shot?
ghost_403 hasn't said a thing since this
+ Show Spoiler +On May 04 2012 00:20 ghost_403 wrote:Sinesis rolled scum. Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 12:23 Sinensis wrote:On May 03 2012 09:42 grush57 wrote:
##vote: Katina SWEET A BANDWAGON IS FORMING! I think I'll hop on it without explaining myself! On May 03 2012 10:18 grush57 wrote:
Alright awesome we know the aggressive people now.
##unvote Katina NEVERMIND, they're onto me! ##vote: grush57 I was not expecting to have a vote so early this game with all the people. This post screams "I want to look useful to the town without actually thinking about what's going on." Good Day 1 lynch. ##vote sinesis
and his own post can apply to himself as well. I'll put my vote on him for now, and reassess later in the day.
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Blazinghand
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On May 06 2012 16:14 l10f wrote:
Blazinghand is confirmed now with his shot?
I'd like to think so. There are only 3 mafia alive and no hatters flipped, which means the 3rd kill had to come from a town vigi. As the saying goes, though, "nobody is ever confirmed"-- but I doubt scum would be foolish enough to counterclaim. A 1-1 trade would be awesome for us in the current situation.
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Blazinghand
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Ghost_403 is scum and should be lynched. This is my case on him. It is brief, like his posting history.
In any case, Ghost_403 is lurking and should be lynched. I'm gonna quote his entire filter here for you guys:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 04 2012 00:00 ghost_403 wrote:
Well, now, let's see what's going on in this thread!
/confrim On May 04 2012 00:20 ghost_403 wrote:Sinesis rolled scum. Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 12:23 Sinensis wrote:On May 03 2012 09:42 grush57 wrote:
##vote: Katina SWEET A BANDWAGON IS FORMING! I think I'll hop on it without explaining myself! On May 03 2012 10:18 grush57 wrote:
Alright awesome we know the aggressive people now.
##unvote Katina NEVERMIND, they're onto me! ##vote: grush57 I was not expecting to have a vote so early this game with all the people. This post screams "I want to look useful to the town without actually thinking about what's going on." Good Day 1 lynch. ##vote sinesis
That is ghost's entire filter. It is two posts.
Let me contextualize the sinensis vote for you: nobody was pushing a sinensis wagon-- Ghost was the only guy to vote sinensis. He posted this very brief description, then peaced. hard. If we talk a look at Sinensis' actual case against grush and his vote on grush, it's a pretty blatant sheep of my bold, suave, sexy case on grush. The kind of thing that deserves to be pressured.
In fact, if Ghost had followed this up, tipped his hand, been aggressive and generated discussion, his vote on Sinensis here would have been totes normal. I'd commend him for it. But that's not what he did. He peaced.
I won't fault Ghost for being silent all night long. Lots of people are quiet at night. But his utter lack of contributions to the thread, and his unwillingness to keep up the pressure on Sinensis is telling. In fact, Sinensis actually responded to Ghost's case a few hours later:
On May 04 2012 05:16 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 00:20 ghost_403 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Sinesis rolled scum. On May 03 2012 12:23 Sinensis wrote:SWEET A BANDWAGON IS FORMING! I think I'll hop on it without explaining myself! Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 10:18 grush57 wrote:
Alright awesome we know the aggressive people now.
##unvote Katina NEVERMIND, they're onto me! ##vote: grush57 I was not expecting to have a vote so early this game with all the people. This post screams "I want to look useful to the town without actually thinking about what's going on." Good Day 1 lynch. ##vote sinesis Looks like some random dude voted me because my post screams "I want to look useful to the town without actually thinking about what's going on. [sic]" I like how he mimics the post he has a problem with by explaining himself with the same mock style I use. I don't care about his snap vote at all, let him be useless for all I care. grush57 did it occur to you that if you are innocent, you don't need to apologize when you explain why you were doing what you were doing? Being apologetic usually means someone has something to be apologetic about, if you know what I mean. I also don't know where you get off thinking your posts are funny; they're not.
This is kinda a sloppy defense. He brings up a good point, though! Ghost is doing what he accuses Sinensis of doing.
If Ghost were town, he'd read this and be like "yo dude i'm pressuring you. Explain yourself about grush! bleargh bleargh" etc.
But ghost is scum so he lurked.
Now, ghost is gonna come back to this thread at some point. He's going to tell us how he was busy, how his cat was on fire, or his grandmother needed a bath, or whatever, and that he was legitimately busy.
This statement will be meaningless. Don't let his excuses fool you. Don't pay attention to what he says, but rather, what he does, and what he has done. What he has done is lurked, and lurked hard. He pretended to pressure Sinensis, and thereby dodged any wagons entirely. In fact, if you think about it, this ties in really well with a "grush is legitimately a noob townie who BH was kinda tunneling too hard D1" theory. Imagine the grush57 wagon rolled across the line, and he flipped town! At the time that Ghost voted, there were no votes on Palmar or BM. grush was clearly cracking under the pressure and dealing with it pretty poorly. If grush got lynched and flipped town, Ghost could be positioned to push a Sinensis lynch D2 or at least get some town cred for calling out some sheeping.
It seems clear to me that Ghost is intentionally lurking, and trying to earn easy town cred for his scum tactics.
Ghost_403 is scum.
Let's lynch him like the scum he is.
##vote: ghost_403
come at me bro
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Blazinghand, may I ask you why you didn't vig ghost instead of Palm?
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BlazingHand you're brillant right and anyone who so happens to agree with you may as well be sheeping you, right?
What are your expert veteran pro reads on layabout?
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Blazinghand
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On May 06 2012 19:08 blubbdavid wrote:
Blazinghand, may I ask you why you didn't vig ghost instead of Palm?
To be honest ghost wasn't on my radar D and N1. Palmar, on the other hand, was playing like he did in Purgatory Mafia. I explicitly defended him D1:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=18#345
+ Show Spoiler +On May 04 2012 06:46 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 06:37 froggynoddy wrote:
This thread is mental... BH I agree with your vote on grush, tell me would you rather a Grush or Katina day 1 lynch? what do you think of everyone having a go at Palmar? It seems really odd to me. He has not been posting content, but neither ha he been causing as much chaos as about a half dozen people here. Wouldn't it be nice for scum to get town to lynch Palmar... (assuming he himself is not scum of course) I don't like katina's play either. Not his soft defense of grush, nor his scummy play before. He's scummy, but grush is scummier imo. From grush, the naked vote, then the unexplained unvote, indicate to me that he's scum. it APPEARS to me that he couldn't think of an explanation for his actions that was town, so he stalled and conferred with his buddies in the scum QT. THEN, his weird, weird, "attack" on blubbdavid that doesn't include a case or a vote shows he's trying to appear like he's in the game, even though he's not. Regarding Palmar, I'm going to give him a little more breathing room D1. In my experience, here's how he typically acts. Palmar is normally a very aggressive and direct townie. He is not afraid to share his reads, to call people out, and to use his vote to pressure. He tunnels, and he is happy to call out bad play when he sees it. However, this is not the Palmar that we have in this game. He takes a little bit of time to get started. For example, take this post: Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:17 Palmar wrote:
layabout we need a detailed map of the current situation, start working on it right now. It's a post that doesn't help, it's a post that contains no solid reads. This is characteristic of his posts so far this game. In his preceding posts, he has still yet to provide us with any scum reads, or to even pressure anyone. All he gives us is a couple questions and bland statements. That being said, we'll have a better idea of how helpful Palmar is being by the end of D1. He could be a valuable asset to town if he isn't scum and I'm therefore not comfortable lynching him D1.
On the basis that I wanted to give him "more breathing room". However, by the end of D1 (and partway through N1, when I sent in my action), it was clear that the pro-town, aggressive and helpful Palmar was not present. This Palmar seemed a LOT more like Palmar from Purgatory Mafia or Palmar from Resistance I, who was more quiet, reserved, and lurk-ey-- a scum player. So I shot him.
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Blazinghand
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On May 06 2012 19:09 Sinensis wrote:
BlazingHand you're brillant right and anyone who so happens to agree with you may as well be sheeping you, right?
What are your expert veteran pro reads on layabout?
Why thank you! I am indeed brilliant. 9 out of 10 previous friends of mine concur.
However, sheeping has nothing to do with whether or not you agree with me and everything to do with WHY and HOW you agree with me. After all, l10f voted Ghost_403 before I did. Am I sheeping him? Obviously not-- I'm not doing it to gain town cred, since I'm confirmed town, and I'm not trying to hide in the shadow of another player's case-- I daresay my case against Ghost is substantially better in terms of scope and sexiness than l10f's case on Ghost. If I had just said "yeah l10f sounds about right, I'm gonna vote Ghost to try to blend in" then that would be sheeping.
If I'm considered confirmed town, think about it-- I have the LEAST information in the game. I don't know anyone's alignment. You, on the other hand, know your alignment AND have a strong idea of what mine is. The idea that my reads are somehow better because I'm definitely false is wrong. My reads won't be intentionally misleading, but they could be wrong because I'm wrong.
However, I'm not wrong about ghost; I'm right. He needs to be lynched.
I will examine layabout's filter and cases against him presently.
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I'm sorry I shouldn't have copped the attitude all I really wanted was your read on layabout.
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Blazinghand
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Oh were you not serious? ;_;
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You've got a gift with making lots of compelling, whether or not substantial, words. I'll get you that easily.
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