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On October 17 2013 23:57 Pandain wrote:
I also don't like how he started to get the "dumb" response to Mocsta by saying "Are you kidding me".
Responses like that indicate you feel threatened so you go after the other person
On October 17 2013 23:41 yamato77 wrote:
Well, at least this idiotic push if me gives me a read on you.
Sup?
Pandain, I get the feeling from your posts about yamato that you believe my case to be solely/mainly meta, this is not the case (ha pun) meta is a very very tiny factor, that wasn't even part of my original case on him.
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I'm out, give feedback on my reads and I'll respond later.
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this is not in order
On October 17 2013 23:51 Pandain wrote:
Keeping mine on Mattchew because I actually have reasons but am interested to see three votes on Vayne
lol what because i asked if it was standard policy to lynch miller claims? or because i called his play correct from a town point of view? because they are 2 completely separate thoughts having nothing to do with one another
On October 17 2013 23:31 syllogism wrote:
Did you post on the QT last night Palmar?
yes, only to say that he hates our qt
On October 17 2013 12:01 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 11:57 Mattchew wrote:
shouldn't palmar and syllo be figuring out each others alignment?
im going to bed why just them? I don't know this group that well so if someone could explain their history that would be cool
they are bffle's who like to hunt scum together (and do so well) if they figure out they are both town. They both also believe they have the best read on each other if i recall correctly
On October 17 2013 16:15 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 11:57 Mattchew wrote:
shouldn't palmar and syllo be figuring out each others alignment?
im going to bed How do you propose I do that? This post seems strange in that you imply that you have read the thread because you know we haven't been trying to do that in-thread, but if you have done that, you should also know that Palmar hasn't even posted. What was the point of that post?
I was pointing out that you had both posted in QT's but not in the thread, it struck me as surprising because i would have thought you 2 would have reached out to each other and not the QT's first.
On October 17 2013 15:57 yamato77 wrote:
I will say about Matt, it seems odd to me that he instantly seems to trust me this game when I believe he thought I was mafia last game on D1 for absolutely no reason. I expect town Matt to be very suspicious of other people; it seems out of place for him to have such friendly interaction with me.
why cant we be friends?
On October 17 2013 17:45 Mocsta wrote:
On Yamato: Im at loggerheads. Im pissed he suggested I was scum earlier and am somewhat dismayed by his lack of aura/presence when entering the thread. However, I like his pick-up on Mattchew as I felt the same way.
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why havent you attempted to talk to me at all then? weird
On October 17 2013 18:22 EchelonTee wrote:
Thoughts on raynpelikonoshi, Mattchew?
can i just say Koshi and have that be my answer?
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On October 18 2013 00:01 LastArgument wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:59 Pandain wrote:On October 17 2013 23:54 LastArgument wrote:On October 17 2013 23:54 Pandain wrote:On October 17 2013 23:49 LastArgument wrote:On October 17 2013 23:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
LA, any comment on my supposed town mentality when it comes to policy? What supposed town mentality? You've simply asserted that magically you now like policy lynching having been staunchly against it previously in your town career. On October 17 2013 23:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
quotes that are literally MONTHS ago, and I've taken a rather long break from mafia. My stance on policy votes can't have changed? Not only that, but the first quote was in regards to a specific player, simply for existing (grush). For the 2nd quote, pressure =\= policy. This even misrepresents your own quotation, as the quotation in question clearly puts you against policy lynches in general, even though it was applied to one player at the time. Reading the quotation, you are obviously talking in general terms. Do you really think that two posts in different contexts mean that he always has to be against policy lynches? Even if it hinted at that, couldn't he change? Why are you voting him, is it just for that. I suggest you read my filter. Well if you want to convince me to vote for him, then lay it on the line. I only see that you think he should always value suspicions over policy lynches. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=29#573I'm interested to hear anyone's opinion on it really.
Forgot this post, I'll read it later and reflect.
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On October 18 2013 00:01 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:57 Pandain wrote:
I also don't like how he started to get the "dumb" response to Mocsta by saying "Are you kidding me".
Responses like that indicate you feel threatened so you go after the other person Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:41 yamato77 wrote:
Well, at least this idiotic push if me gives me a read on you. Sup? Pandain, I get the feeling from your posts about yamato that you believe my case to be solely/mainly meta, this is not the case (ha pun) meta is a very very tiny factor, that wasn't even part of my original case on him.
I actually think you are town, for the record. I have yet to see a mafia be this insistent when they call me scum.
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I kind of agree with LA's take on yamato btw. That's about what I wrote earlier in our QT when he asked about our opinion about yamato.
I basicly told him that what yamato does, does sound like testing the waters (that was my term I used in the QT he used in here, as you guys probably know because it's a term I frequently use), he is hypocritical and he is very emotional. However while that's all things I don't like and the first one is something I consider scummy I really don't see him playing that way as mafia after fruity
A townie can be hypocritical as well and Yamato has been mad about me. I think he even stated that in another thread + Show Spoiler +Champions mafia stating he never got lynched d1, marv said "yeah you did - fruity d1", yamato said "well that doesn't count because toad was a bitch"
The testing water thing makes him scummy in my books because he's the unsecure kind of guy as mafia, both as not posting too much and as in actually being unsecure and that IS a sign of being unsecure.
Him being emotional fits both plays. He could be trying to paint over his unsecureness if he's mafia or he could just plainly be emotional right now, which would be a towntell, so it's a null.
All in all I have a slight scumread on Yamato based on what I see in this thread that is at least nullified, if not even going into a slight town read at this point based on the fact that while posting crap he actually is posting, which is something mafia-Yamato usually has a problem with. I stated that I'd have to reread recent games on Yamato in our QT before saying more about that because fruity was a while ago and I haven't done that yet but it's a nice thing to see someone come to the same conclusion.
Anyways, now that I posted this wall-of-text might as well put it in here as well. I'm going back to my parents place, so I'll be afk for the next 3 or so hours and I just completed signing up for my courses this semester (deadline was today in 55 minutes), which is the reason for my most recent "lurking", being in irc and all but not being in here posting. Later
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 23:51 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:49 LastArgument wrote:On October 17 2013 23:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
LA, any comment on my supposed town mentality when it comes to policy? What supposed town mentality? You've simply asserted that magically you now like policy lynching having been staunchly against it previously in your town career. On October 17 2013 23:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
quotes that are literally MONTHS ago, and I've taken a rather long break from mafia. My stance on policy votes can't have changed? Not only that, but the first quote was in regards to a specific player, simply for existing (grush). For the 2nd quote, pressure =\= policy. This even misrepresents your own quotation, as the quotation in question clearly puts you against policy lynches in general, even though it was applied to one player at the time. Reading the quotation, you are obviously talking in general terms. Okay LA, lets try again. From the same quote: Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.@wbg voters: dafuq? See the red. Your rebuttal?
LastArgument, you've ignored this.
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Really, the case boils down to 2 things:
1) My shifting read on Moc. I generally find Moc suspicious when he posts like he did, just because of the constructed quality of his posts and the general lack of utility to me. However, I countered my stance by remembering that it was silly townies who came up with that idea in GoT, meaning that I cannot call Moc mafia just for being wrong about that. Further, I went on to say that I liked how he handled the LA situation. It's pretty clear that this is the case. I'm not being inconsistent, I'm considering more information as I think over the different sides of what is going on in the thread.
2) That I didn't vote for the hydra Rayn/Koshi over VA. It is worth asking other people about how they view the hydra before pushing for their lynch. It's still the first 24 hours of D1 and we have plenty of time to decide on a lynch. No reason to rush any read. Voting for Vayne is policy and completely worthy given his lack of effort in his past few games. Somewhat of a placeholder, though if the lynch did gain traction, I would certainly love to see it go through.
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dat waffle from Toad
jesus it's huge
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1) I'm not hypocritical. I've been talking about my reads since very early on. Looking at people who have had no reads, or flat out bad ones, does not make me a hypocrite.
2) I'm not being emotional, either, given that I have yet to yell at someone for how stupid they are.
That post of Toad reeks.
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On October 18 2013 00:08 Hopeless1der wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 23:51 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:49 LastArgument wrote:On October 17 2013 23:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
LA, any comment on my supposed town mentality when it comes to policy? What supposed town mentality? You've simply asserted that magically you now like policy lynching having been staunchly against it previously in your town career. On October 17 2013 23:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
quotes that are literally MONTHS ago, and I've taken a rather long break from mafia. My stance on policy votes can't have changed? Not only that, but the first quote was in regards to a specific player, simply for existing (grush). For the 2nd quote, pressure =\= policy. This even misrepresents your own quotation, as the quotation in question clearly puts you against policy lynches in general, even though it was applied to one player at the time. Reading the quotation, you are obviously talking in general terms. Okay LA, lets try again. From the same quote: Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.@wbg voters: dafuq? See the red. Your rebuttal? LastArgument, you've ignored this.
Because it's a silly line of questioning. I'll probably be looking elsewhere than you for now though, don't really feel like explaining why.
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Yeah but he I think he believes it.
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On October 18 2013 00:15 LastArgument wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 00:08 Hopeless1der wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 23:51 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:49 LastArgument wrote:On October 17 2013 23:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
LA, any comment on my supposed town mentality when it comes to policy? What supposed town mentality? You've simply asserted that magically you now like policy lynching having been staunchly against it previously in your town career. On October 17 2013 23:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
quotes that are literally MONTHS ago, and I've taken a rather long break from mafia. My stance on policy votes can't have changed? Not only that, but the first quote was in regards to a specific player, simply for existing (grush). For the 2nd quote, pressure =\= policy. This even misrepresents your own quotation, as the quotation in question clearly puts you against policy lynches in general, even though it was applied to one player at the time. Reading the quotation, you are obviously talking in general terms. Okay LA, lets try again. From the same quote: Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.@wbg voters: dafuq? See the red. Your rebuttal? LastArgument, you've ignored this. Because it's a silly line of questioning. I'll probably be looking elsewhere than you for now though, don't really feel like explaining why.
So, you're unvoting me, right?
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On October 17 2013 23:31 syllogism wrote:
That's a pretty underwhelming entrance, Palmar. I can't even really imagine an answer that could possibly be useful one way or another.
That's because you're not thinking.
I think it's a pretty legit question.
Also, I'd at least see if his answer makes any kind of sense before I try to policy lynch him.
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On October 18 2013 00:43 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 23:31 syllogism wrote:
That's a pretty underwhelming entrance, Palmar. I can't even really imagine an answer that could possibly be useful one way or another. That's because you're not thinking. I think it's a pretty legit question. Also, I'd at least see if his answer makes any kind of sense before I try to policy lynch him.
Why a policy lynch?
I see no reason to its not like he was checked and then claims miller
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I can't think of an occasion in the last however long that a self-aware miller didn't claim on Day 1.
And they were certainly never lynched for it.
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On October 18 2013 00:51 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 00:43 Palmar wrote:On October 17 2013 23:31 syllogism wrote:
That's a pretty underwhelming entrance, Palmar. I can't even really imagine an answer that could possibly be useful one way or another. That's because you're not thinking. I think it's a pretty legit question. Also, I'd at least see if his answer makes any kind of sense before I try to policy lynch him. Why a policy lynch? I see no reason to its not like he was checked and then claims miller
That would be preferable.
I'll explain why the question is important once Mocsta explains exactly WHY he claimed miller.
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Let's not waste today talking about a miller claim, eh?
Palmar, do something or we kill you.
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Also, if anyone wants to comment on the waffle from Toad, I'd like some other perspectives.
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