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You-Know-Who
Profile Joined September 2013
Great Britain155 Posts
October 17 2013 16:01 GMT
#681
Day 1 Vote Count


Cephiro (0): supersoft
Skanjab1s (0): raynpelikonoshi
Mattchew (1): Pandain
VayneAuthority (3): yamato77, Hopeless1der, raynpelikonoshi
Sn0_Man (1): StorrZerg
raynpelikonoshi (1): supersoft
yamato77 (1): Skanjab1s
Hopeless1der (1): LastArgument

Currently VayneAuthority is set to be lynched.

Deadline is in . Remember: Voting is mandatory and has to be done in the Voting Thread.
There is no good and evil. There is only power, and those too weak to seek it.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
October 17 2013 16:08 GMT
#682
On October 18 2013 00:59 yamato77 wrote:
Let's not waste today talking about a miller claim, eh?

Palmar, do something or we kill you.


To me, what mocsta did should be no-questions-asked policy lynchable.

But I'm in no rush, let's hear WHY he did it.
Computer says mafia
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 17 2013 16:10 GMT
#683
See, I know why you think that, but it's really not worth talking about at length. Do you think anything else Moc has posted warrants such attention?
Writer@WriterYamato
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 17 2013 16:13 GMT
#684
Hi guys!
I like this. There are many townies like:
Holyflare, Pandain, yamato, Vayne, syllogism, supersoft, skanjab, Toad. Dunno if i missed someone.

Then Koshi put our vote on the wrong place.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Cephiro

This guy is not getting away with same shit he did in Noire for 3 days.

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
LastArgument
Profile Joined July 2010
United States152 Posts
October 17 2013 16:15 GMT
#685
On October 18 2013 01:13 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Hi guys!
I like this. There are many townies like:
Holyflare, Pandain, yamato, Vayne, syllogism, supersoft, skanjab, Toad. Dunno if i missed someone.

Then Koshi put our vote on the wrong place.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Cephiro

This guy is not getting away with same shit he did in Noire for 3 days.

-rayn

This seems directly at odds with your partner. Care to explain?
If i have learned one thing from life, it's that every man wants something
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 17 2013 16:19 GMT
#686
On October 18 2013 00:52 LastArgument wrote:
I can't think of an occasion in the last however long that a self-aware miller didn't claim on Day 1.

And they were certainly never lynched for it.

Mattchew was lynched...about a year ago due to a self-aware claim day1.
Sidenote, get your vote off me or re-explain why im scum.


On October 18 2013 01:00 yamato77 wrote:
Also, if anyone wants to comment on the waffle from Toad, I'd like some other perspectives.

Short answer is he sees a bunch of null tells and a couple town tells. ergo you're a townread. Grats.


Palmar, you're not much for discussing closed setups iirc, but what do you make of Yamato and Mattchew outing their QT playerlists (Top of page 25)? If you'd rather not comment on this, can you do something other than sit and wait on mocsta's return?



In other news, we're on track to policy lynch someone. Will it be the lurker, the troll, or the claimed self-aware miller?

LastArgument
Profile Joined July 2010
United States152 Posts
October 17 2013 16:21 GMT
#687
On October 18 2013 01:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2013 00:52 LastArgument wrote:
I can't think of an occasion in the last however long that a self-aware miller didn't claim on Day 1.

And they were certainly never lynched for it.

Mattchew was lynched...about a year ago due to a self-aware claim day1.
Sidenote, get your vote off me or re-explain why im scum.


No, I'm enjoying annoying you by leaving my vote on you.

Mattchew was mafia in a game which didn't have self-aware millers, confirmable by the host. Not really a comparable circumstance.
If i have learned one thing from life, it's that every man wants something
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 17 2013 16:26 GMT
#688
On October 18 2013 01:13 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Hi guys!
I like this. There are many townies like:
Holyflare, Pandain, yamato, Vayne, syllogism, supersoft, skanjab, Toad. Dunno if i missed someone.

Then Koshi put our vote on the wrong place.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Cephiro

This guy is not getting away with same shit he did in Noire for 3 days.

-rayn

You think Vayne is town for how he's played so far?

...

Oh, Rayn. -shakes head-
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 17 2013 16:29 GMT
#689
Also, I know what Toad said, I want to know what people think is says about him.
Writer@WriterYamato
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 17 2013 16:36 GMT
#690
Hey yamato & LA, Vayne is in our QT. I just learned that Koshi's scumread on Vayne was this:
1) arrogantly claimed town
2) gave away townread for Pandain first post (which is good but not nearly close to 100% town material)
3) Gave reasons why Grack could be either town or scum and didn't give away what he was leaning on.

I don't agree with this making Vayne scum and not having been here i had no opportunity to discuss this with Koshi until now. We are in the middle of it right now. I really do think Vayne's attitude is town!Vayneish. atm i do not care what he says. I care about how he says stuff, especially on D1.

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 17 2013 16:37 GMT
#691
Arrogance is a trait I associate with scum Vayne. He likes to go against the grain and act like he's immovable.
Writer@WriterYamato
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
October 17 2013 16:37 GMT
#692
its true though and i brought this up before the game. I cannot be scum. i banged harry potter. lynch me if you want but there's 0 chance of me flipping scum hu3hu3hu3

also a fun fact is yamato pretty much tries to push me in every scum game of his

I come in for the scraps
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
October 17 2013 16:38 GMT
#693
Oh i forgot something.
EchelonTree - Why makes you say this game is heavily roled? Much scum roles you guys got?

-rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 17 2013 16:39 GMT
#694
On October 18 2013 01:37 VayneAuthority wrote:
its true though and i brought this up before the game. I cannot be scum. i banged harry potter. lynch me if you want but there's 0 chance of me flipping scum hu3hu3hu3

also a fun fact is yamato pretty much tries to push me in every scum game of his


Kill him, for the love of god.
Writer@WriterYamato
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
October 17 2013 16:47 GMT
#695
oh and if anyone was confused that spell was fake, just wanted to see yamato's reaction and it was sufficient
I come in for the scraps
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 17 2013 16:48 GMT
#696
On October 18 2013 01:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
oh and if anyone was confused that spell was fake, just wanted to see yamato's reaction and it was sufficient

So am I scum for wanting you to die a horrible death or not?

Not sensing any congruity here.
Writer@WriterYamato
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
October 17 2013 16:50 GMT
#697
On October 18 2013 01:48 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2013 01:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
oh and if anyone was confused that spell was fake, just wanted to see yamato's reaction and it was sufficient

So am I scum for wanting you to die a horrible death or not?

Not sensing any congruity here.


meta says you're scum, reaction says you're town, require more minerals
I come in for the scraps
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 17 2013 16:54 GMT
#698
On October 18 2013 01:50 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2013 01:48 yamato77 wrote:
On October 18 2013 01:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
oh and if anyone was confused that spell was fake, just wanted to see yamato's reaction and it was sufficient

So am I scum for wanting you to die a horrible death or not?

Not sensing any congruity here.


meta says you're scum, reaction says you're town, require more minerals

You're terrible at meta.
Writer@WriterYamato
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
October 17 2013 16:55 GMT
#699
On October 18 2013 01:54 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2013 01:50 VayneAuthority wrote:
On October 18 2013 01:48 yamato77 wrote:
On October 18 2013 01:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
oh and if anyone was confused that spell was fake, just wanted to see yamato's reaction and it was sufficient

So am I scum for wanting you to die a horrible death or not?

Not sensing any congruity here.


meta says you're scum, reaction says you're town, require more minerals

You're terrible at meta.


you have to break a meta for me to be terrible at it. you can't go a scum game without making some garbage case on me and trying to push me lolol. has it ever even worked? nope
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
October 17 2013 16:57 GMT
#700
On August 21 2013 10:09 yamato77 wrote:
Usually I don't even bother reading the thread when it gets as stupid as it has now, but I did. Because I'm a masochist. All of you fighting among yourselves and arguing with people you think are scum are making my head hurt. Thankfully, there are a few things worth responding to:

Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 01:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
There is no point in claiming a role that there is likely zero or one of as scum when not everybody has posted. Koshi has also painted a target on his back so no reason to lynch him for the time being.

Don't like Rainbows first post, nitpicks DP flip flopping but doesn't actually follow up on it at all. Possible scum since they usually look for really obvious stuff like that since they have to fabricate scum reads.

WoS is playing to his 3rd party meta. Wouldn't be surprised if he rolled SK/Survivor. Good lynch.

Something feels off about geript's posting, not angry enough.

Observations so far.


Vayne's first post is suspect. His most definitive read is a 3P read (wtf?) on a player already under suspicion. Why is he so strongly considering the possibility of a 3P? As with Rayn before, the preoccupation with reads that aren't in the town<--->scum continuum is something worth noting. The rest of his post is notably garbage and he has yet to substantiate anything he's said so far. Definitely flying under the radar due to the massive blip of a shitstorm Rayn/DP/WoS created.

Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 21 2013 02:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 21 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 21 2013 02:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah its all WoS didnt answer me.
and then you referenced it with another game where he was town and said why his non-answering made him scum.

Thats all.

no it's not. you are probably mafia.-

thanks for telling me what you think your case is about.

Ehh.. i think i was pretty clear in it:

"There is a perfectly fine explanation for his behaviour. Why does he not say that here, in this game? Why is he not trying to explain why town!WoS would bring that "let's not talk on N0" stuff again?

Answer is:
- Because he is mafia and he is trying to play the "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game".
- He didn't even think of needing to have an explanation because of "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game" would be enough.
- If he was town he could, should and would explain himself."


Can you give me a single town reason why WoS would not explain his "we should not talk N0 in this game"?
Can you?

Because i can't, and i gave all of you his scum!reasons, supported with his own post.


As for the Rayn/WoS situation, I'm not sold on the WoS=scum theory. Rayn's entire case is based on the idea that a person should always play as they do as town given a similar situation. Funny enough, it is the SAME rationale DP used to accuse Rayn, yet was ultimately dropped. Do I need to explain why these meta reads are fucking terrible or can we all agree to stop being bad and scumhunt with more conventional means?

Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 03:48 kushm4sta wrote:
Thoughts while reading through this spamfest of a thread:

PAGE 8

yamato you son of a bitch if i had a shot i would shoot you right now for no reason other than you piss me off. fucking think you are some maine expect because you went to caribou once lolz gtfo plz

yawn, boring discussion about survivors. scum love this shit.

PAGE 9

I think it's pretty safe to assume this guy is town because he said his role name:
On August 20 2013 20:48 Crazometer wrote:
Lol, such personal attacks. Ryan, even the best laid plans can come unstuck but I think we got something out of it either way . I'm unsure what really happens next as I've mainly just played these in person, but around now we would go around the circle with each person claiming they were vanilla characters in order. I'll start. I'm Crazometer and I'm a Citizen of Inaba.


OMG MADE IT TO PAGE 13 WOOOO kush out






And yet no one wanted to policy lynch him. Offer is still on the table btw.

Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 07:58 kushm4sta wrote:
I want to thank everyone for the respite from spam! Still catching up!


Srsly.

Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 04:07 FirmTofu wrote:
Higgildy Piggildy Pumpkin Poo!
FirmTofu is here
And is scumhunting too!

First things first. This deadline is less than ideal for me. It is 4 AM in my timezone so I will likely be asleep during that time period. If anyone wishes to vote for me in the 4 hour town frame before the deadline, they better have a fucking good reason to do so. Any votes placed on me during that timeframe should be considered be VERY scummy and all guilty persons should be pursued with fervor the following day.

I'll be catching up and posting my thoughts in a few hours. Don't be a bunch of bitches like y'all were in GOT and vote me for no reason for not being around.


I don't know how many times I guessed correctly that a scum opened the game with a post like this. Definitely going to be watching FT as he "catches up".

Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
I assume most people agree that there is town motivation for Rayn pushing me as hard as he has been, as well as his relentlessly pushing me to answer his question regarding why I said what I did about 'no-talking' on N0.

Are people considering scum motivations behind such actions?
I want to see if anyone else can figure this out before I do a little revelation. Again, I'll be on sporadically so it may not happen until later but by gum, it WILL happen.


You think scumRayn wants to make you talk so that he can...?

I don't follow the logic. There's a reason most people agree that Rayn is town, and it's because he's too fucking batshit insane to be mafia.

Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 06:26 Koshi wrote:
On August 21 2013 06:24 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 21 2013 06:17 Koshi wrote:
I also see a tendency where you propose retarded lynches while you are already making up excuses when they flip town.

I'll readily admit that I see both sides of my arguments before proposing them. It makes it hard for me to really be certain about scum sometimes, and that is a very real weakness to my play.

In other news, I notice a tendency of yours to say "dnu" whenever you are asked a question and kinda deflect it with some seriously wishy-washy garbage. Thoughts?

Ask the question again and I will answer without dnu.

I try not to think so much when I post. And then people ask why I post stuff and I need to think about what I was thinking. But I am more like feeling instead of thinking. You get my drift?


Sn0 brings up a good point, Koshi is wishy-washy. Unfortunately N0 has no lynch so there is no mechanic to force him to be decisive. I'll also be watching how his reads develop throughout the day.



for anyone interested in what yamato tries to make people scummy for as scum. "not doin anythingz"
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