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On February 11 2012 08:40 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 03:49 TheToast wrote:
You have to be the single worst town player in the history of this game.
Reading through stuff posted since I was last here. Toast this comment is really, really not necessary.
Yeah that came out way too harsh, not what I originally intended.
I stand by what I said about him hurting town though.
On February 11 2012 09:03 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 07:15 TheToast wrote:On February 11 2012 06:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I think Baron is definitely scum and that is who I will vote for if I survive.
Bluelightz I have an FoS on but I'm not 100% convinced.
Nisani I'll hold as neutral until he comes back and swings that either way. Here's the thing. BaronFel is one person that Bluelightz has been after this whole game. Bluelightz called out BaronFel night 1, Day 2, and Day 3 he wrote a whole big thing about Baron being scummy. So if BaronFel is scum, where does that leave Bluelightz? I disagree; Bluelightz has flip flopped on BaronFel constantly. They have been "conversing" in thread; bluelightz posts suspicion, BF posts something that in no way clears him, then bluelightz says "oh ok I think he's green now". That is not at ALL bluelightz being after BF all game. it's scum interaction.
This is an interesting point that I had not considered. It would explain why BF felt the need on Day 2 to address Bluelightz comment during night 1 that had gotten completely lost. I'm still not sure about blue though.
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Day 4
Where there is uncertainty, I shall bring light
Where there is doubt, I shall sow faith
Where there is shame, I shall point atonement
Where there is rage, I shall show its course
My word in the soul shall be as my bolter in the field.
Night is here
On a wooden altar in the chapel, a graven image of the Emperor, the only light is the flickering of the candles, and the burning of incense. In the pews a single man sits, quietly, deep in thought. The ship gives shudders, and metal grinds on metal. When the noise stops, the only sound in the room is the hushed breathing of the man.
The silence is split asunder, in a terrible explosion of sound as [UoN]Sentinel stands from his silent meditation in the pew and begins yelling, ranting like someone possessed. "I am a failure!" he yells, "unfit to serve You in Your Glory! I have failed! We are damned by my hand" he cries, his voice laden with despair, tears running down his cheeks as he screams, making the soft light of the candles tremble in the darkness. "Failed, Failed, FAILED" he repeats, his voice rising in pitch, maniacally. As he yells, he hits himself with his cane landing solid, painful, blows, that resound even over his frantic screams in a terrifying and bizarre display of rage and utter hopelessness.
In the shadows of the lintel a man leans against the wall, a thin smile playing over his lip as he watches the candle lit display, and listens to the echoing wrath in the vastness of the chapel. Confidently the man strides towards the distraught man, completely unnoticed, until he places a hand on [UoN]Sentinel's shoulder, and whispers in [UoN]Sentinel's ear: "Father, it is time". [UoN]Sentinel stands there paralyzed for a second by the interruption, as he turns to face the shadow, a sudden pain in his chest interrupts him. [UoN]Sentinel looks down at his chest, an expression of bewilderment painted on his face, as he sees a blood soaked blade jutting from it. With a mumble of confusion [UoN]Sentinel breathes his last, and the man vanishes as quickly as he came, the only witness to his crime the silent effigy of the Emperor and the carvings upon the wall.
Huddle close to your Emperor if he makes you feel safe. He cannot save you, for only Chaos is eternal....
[UoN]Sentinel, Father Morriselb, a Tainted Imperial Preist rests at the feet of the Emperor!
It is day 4! You have 48 hours to choose someone to execute!
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Well, now that we know for sure Sentinel was telling the truth, that makes things pretty easy from here.
##Vote: BaronFel
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GG guys, loved the way I died, captured that emotion 
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hmm, Tainted Medic? That's interesting. I remember someone inferring that we had only one tainted. Just a small thing.
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This is LYLO! T_T 2-4 mafia get a night kill we lose T_T
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Ooops i meant 2-4 mislynch then mafia get a NK we lose, but still, T_T
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On February 11 2012 12:57 Bluelightz wrote:
This is LYLO! T_T 2-4 mafia get a night kill we lose T_T
Isn't that mylo? Because we're still in it if we choose not to lynch.
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-facepalm- thanks for pointing it out x_x
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Some notes I have on Baron.
On February 03 2012 09:39 BaronFel wrote:
I agree with Vilonis, I think it's a bit early to start calling people out for "bandwagoning". It's the first turn and we're all trying to get a feel for how each other posts etc.
1.Minor, but the only flag I had on him early. Buddying himself to Vilonis, the soon to be dead gay; it's a subtle way of trying to gain town cred.
On February 04 2012 09:16 BaronFel wrote:
After reading through the thread (sorry for "lurking", I'll try to post more), I am leaning towards Sinensis not being scum, but I think he's still dangerous with his ideas. (I personally feel his logic is sometimes faulty), but as you said it may just be extreme newness to the game.
On February 05 2012 14:52 BaronFel wrote:Sorry for lurking bluelightz, I was really busy today  I'll try to post more.
2. Not going to overblow noobiness factor here, but it still stands; being really apologetic when it's not necessarily needed, as lots of people had been lurking all game. being scum confers a sense guilt to the newbie.
On February 10 2012 11:42 BaronFel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If the act in itself may not be suspicious, what made you more suspicious of him? Can you get more text-wally, maybe write a bigger post on him, and I don't necessarily mean post-by-post-analysis, but try to make this "feeling", this "take on it" that you have more understandable to other townies. I don't mean the act is not suspicious, I mean that by itself it wouldn't necessarily make me jump out and say "SCUM!". For example, getting life insurance for your wife isn't suspicious. Getting it before your wife mysteriously dies is type of deal (not to that extreme though in this instance). What's been said about Nisani has been my feeling. He doesn't post his reasoning very often, yet still does a lot of accusations. (Of course, he only just recently posted a big analysis, which really just him accusing sentinel of fluff (ironic) and voting for the two town lynches (which a majority of us obviously had to...)) What is your take on the night hits so far? Vilonis night1, mderg night2, why didn't they hit TheToast or EchelonTee or you or me? How do you think TheToast and EchelonTee has acted today? What is your "feeling" and "take" on them? I'm not really sure I can give anything amazing in terms of why Vilonis and mderg were killed. They were both pretty logical and weren't talking a huge amount, that's probably as good as any explanation. As for why they didn't hit others, not sure either. It would just be speculation and couldn't really be used in an argument for or against anyone. TheToast has posted a lot (which is considered a good thing as shown by me being voted and him not) and has been pretty logical, although sometime's aggressive in his beliefs. I really have no real reason to think he's scum at all. Echelon is also somewhat aggressive in his approach, but he also calls out everyone (similar to you) in their arguments (his last few posts he's counter argued me, nisani, bluelightz, and a bit to you). I am leaning town with him as well.
3. This post has~15 moderate-long sentences, and manages to say "i scumhunt with my feeling" and "i think active posters are green". prplhz asks for more content from BF, so he attempts to stretche out the minisicule substance he had available. would u like some lurking with that fluff?
On February 11 2012 10:22 BaronFel wrote:Show nested quote +
He then turns his attention to Nisani, basically saying he thinks Nisani is sketchy because he doesn't explain his posts well enough. When he elaborates though, there is something very strange in his post:
Ummmmm.... whose us?
No, really, whose us?
Um.... "us" is the town's majority argument... At the time of writing, he was the primary suspect (from what I could tell, most people were either outright voting him, or analyzing/going through his filter). "Our" argument was that he was scum, and we gave reasons for this. His argument against "us" is that he was not, and he gave his own reasons. If it was in a defense, such as me defending his claim of me being scum, then perhaps that could be a telling slip as the context would be me trying to prove I'm not mafia (unless there were multiple people also trying to defend me, in which case it could apply to our combined defense). That paragraph, however, was me accusing Nisani, meaning everyone on "my" side were the people that also felt the same way (that nisani was suspicious/scum).
4. are scum slips real? maybe the fairy godmother made my wish come true.
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OMFG
I wrote "soon to be dead gay" instead of "soon to be dead guy".
I swear I'm not a homophobe -.-
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Comments on Toast's analysis
On February 11 2012 04:46 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 09:16 BaronFel wrote:
After reading through the thread (sorry for "lurking", I'll try to post more), I am leaning towards Sinensis not being scum, but I think he's still dangerous with his ideas. (I personally feel his logic is sometimes faulty), but as you said it may just be extreme newness to the game.
##Unvote: Sinensis
I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start...
##Vote: Timeaisis
For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous). Here's something I mentioned before. ET in his analysis called out Time for playing the "I'm new" card too much. After a quick peek at Time's filter I realized that he had only mentioned this twice at the extreme start of the game. The word "new" only appears once in Time's filter before ET called him out. I called out ET about this one Day 2, and ET has since admitted that his analysis was bad. For Baron to have picked up on this, he must have just been copying exactly what ET had written without any checking Time's filter for himself (as checking would have led him to the same conclusion as I reached, that ET's reasoning was bad). VERY interesting that Baron was just repeating exactly what ET was saying, without mentioning that it was ET who said it. It seems the natural comment would be "I agree with ET about Time playing the I'm new card too much". To frame it the way he does makes it sound like he came up with this reasoning, almost like he is trying to encourage a bandwagon.
1.sigh... still on my Timeaisis analysis; I pointed out three instances. whatever. I think something that you didn't quite consider, is that simply the fact that he is agreeing with EXACTLY what I said is the scummy part. Not exactly that he didn't mention my name. Passing off the analysis as his own would put more responsibility on him.
On February 11 2012 04:46 TheToast wrote:Day 2 Baron brings the comment back up: Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 14:52 BaronFel wrote:Sorry for lurking bluelightz, I was really busy today I'll try to post more. If you want my opinion, I was looking at prplhz after the time vote, but he was pretty logical and caught on to sinani so I have no real reason not to believe he isn't the vig. I don't have a real big opinion on you, and it seems you don't either if you're just accusing me of lurking Senensis as I said in day 1 seems to just be hampering the town and I really don't think he'll ever really try to help us find the rest of the scum...(I could overlook his day 1, but day 2 it's almost like he's trying to do this on purpose. If there was a joker in this game, I'd assume he was it xD) ##Vote: Sinensis If he is mafia, why bring the comment back up? It was ignored, by bringing it back up he would only risk drawing greater attention to himself. His reasoning against Sinesis seems okay, and he is continuing the same line of thought he had Day 1 and Night 1. He then turns his attention to Nisani, basically saying he thinks Nisani is sketchy because he doesn't explain his posts well enough. When he elaborates though, there is something very strange in his post:
2.Baron posted somewhere that he brought the comment back up because he didn't want to make it seem like he was ignoring a jab at him. Both town and scum would have reason to do this; Mafia would do this because they don't want a loose end being used to tunnel/incriminate them later.
On February 11 2012 04:46 TheToast wrote:Also interesting is how he dodged the question about the night 1 and 2 hits: Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 11:42 BaronFel wrote:What is your take on the night hits so far? Vilonis night1, mderg night2, why didn't they hit TheToast or EchelonTee or you or me? How do you think TheToast and EchelonTee has acted today? What is your "feeling" and "take" on them? I'm not really sure I can give anything amazing in terms of why Vilonis and mderg were killed. They were both pretty logical and weren't talking a huge amount, that's probably as good as any explanation. As for why they didn't hit others, not sure either. It would just be speculation and couldn't really be used in an argument for or against anyone. He's quick to cover his ass here. Couldn't be used in an argument against anyone? If you can come up with a good theory as to why these two were killed I bet it could be used... If I had to guess V and mderg got killed as suspected blues. BF's statement here about the two not talking much is interesting, it's in the best interest of the town for blues to lay low. All in all, I'm not 100% about Baron right now, but he is looking like a really good suspect. I'd love to hear his defense about the "us" comment...
3.I agree BF is covering his ass here with a vague answer, but you're approaching the use of flips sub-optimally. Example: I thought they were killed because they were sensible speakers who looked obviously townie. You and I disagree on this; is it worth the time for us to argue about it? No one can actually know why NK happened until the gdam post-game, but we CAN look at what people posted after we know their alignment, as their information we will know to be unbiased, alignment wise.
I'm not trying to discredit your analysis, just tying up what are imo loose ends. case is already well grounded.
##Vote: BaronFel
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On February 11 2012 13:20 EchelonTee wrote:
I'm not trying to discredit your analysis, just tying up what are imo loose ends. case is already well grounded.
##Vote: BaronFel
Yeah I don't necessarily disagree with anything. You're right about point two doesn't prove anything really. With BF there is a real lack of content to analyze, I just brought it up to try to be thorough.
I think the case is pretty good here. If we are wrong, however, town is going to lose this game. So everyone keep scrutinizing and analyzing. We cannot afford to screw up this lynch.
Assuming we are right though, the real hard part is going to be Day 5...
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ACTIVE GAMES SHOULD NEVER GO YELLOW
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BaronFel (5): TheToast, Nisani201, Bluelightz, EchelonTee, prplhz
Not voting: BaronFel
I guess the other mafia has just decided to pile on. Interesting.
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