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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 31 2012 19:34 GMT
#581
I'm under the impression that it was CLG playing real bad those teamfights rather than M5 doing so well. I only saw them stack up right under Sona's nose several times, when they weren't trying to down a no-damage GA-equipped Urgot. I don't get it.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
January 31 2012 19:34 GMT
#582
On February 01 2012 04:33 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 04:32 Senx wrote:
why wouldnt kog go bloodrazor vs such a tanky team?

Also why does it feel like people still dont respect shyvanas importance for m5.. like wtf


What was Bloodrazor going to do against all that MR?

Wouldn't it still increase the damage done to Shyvana regardless, simply because of how much health she has?
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
January 31 2012 19:34 GMT
#583
Threw away game. Tis all.
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daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
January 31 2012 19:35 GMT
#584
BR wouldn't have done jack all vs all that MR shyv has, you'd need a void staff with it to see any real results. Darien beast!
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 31 2012 19:35 GMT
#585
Kog went bloodstriker first and I really don't like that build. I mean, I guess it's ok, but I gotta say an IE would've helped out a lot in those team fights.
DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
January 31 2012 19:35 GMT
#586
And Zenon: hire Jatt for some upcoming event. he's seriously good.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 31 2012 19:36 GMT
#587
On February 01 2012 04:33 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 04:32 Senx wrote:
why wouldnt kog go bloodrazor vs such a tanky team?

Also why does it feel like people still dont respect shyvanas importance for m5.. like wtf


What was Bloodrazor going to do against all that MR?

I think the problem is that the 3dorans+wriggles just doesnt scale enough. If you give the time, shyvana will outscale damage incredibly quickly. If your damage is above her tank, then she never catches up, and vise versa.

Instead kog LET her outscale him and pretty much lost the game because of it. A super fast BR might have been enough to crush shyv at that drag fight, or even an IE+greaves. But as we saw, 3 blades and wriggles is just not enough.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
January 31 2012 19:36 GMT
#588
On February 01 2012 04:32 Senx wrote:
why wouldnt kog go bloodrazor vs such a tanky team?

200MR = 66% magic reduction -> 3.3% health per kog hit (10% without resistances) -> 200dmg or so a hit.

And before she had double warmogs it would have been terrible anyway.
The legend of Darien lives on
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
January 31 2012 19:36 GMT
#589
On February 01 2012 04:34 Alaric wrote:
I'm under the impression that it was CLG playing real bad those teamfights rather than M5 doing so well. I only saw them stack up right under Sona's nose several times, when they weren't trying to down a no-damage GA-equipped Urgot. I don't get it.


Who else are they supposed to focus? Sona and TF stay back doing only poke, Shyv is unkillable because dragon form + shit tons of HP, and Lee Sin can just jump to his team. I do feel that CLG got baited a few times by urgot ulting into the 5 of them though.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
January 31 2012 19:36 GMT
#590
On February 01 2012 04:34 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 04:33 Seuss wrote:
On February 01 2012 04:32 Senx wrote:
why wouldnt kog go bloodrazor vs such a tanky team?

Also why does it feel like people still dont respect shyvanas importance for m5.. like wtf


What was Bloodrazor going to do against all that MR?

Wouldn't it still increase the damage done to Shyvana regardless, simply because of how much health she has?


If you work the math on IE PD vs BR PD, it probably wouldn't have made a big difference. Remember Shyvana only just built the 2x warmogs as last items, it was originally a resistances heavy shyvana. Wits, wriggles, mercs, phage, with large resistance boost from dragon form.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 19:38:50
January 31 2012 19:37 GMT
#591
i think kog really lacked damage from building that wriggles crap.


and seriously, ban shyvana. godly lane with a gap closer, huge ae and free resists.




also, jatt commentary is really good. i want him to commentate everything :D
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
January 31 2012 19:38 GMT
#592
On February 01 2012 04:35 DoXa wrote:
And Zenon: hire Jatt for some upcoming event. he's seriously good.

I second this.
Great commentary by both casters.
Off-season = best season
kuresuti
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1393 Posts
January 31 2012 19:38 GMT
#593
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

In all seriousness though, awesome game by M5!
arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
January 31 2012 19:38 GMT
#594
I think his ideal build would have been something like PD -> LW -> IE (plus whatever starter items).
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 31 2012 19:38 GMT
#595
On February 01 2012 04:36 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 04:34 Alaric wrote:
I'm under the impression that it was CLG playing real bad those teamfights rather than M5 doing so well. I only saw them stack up right under Sona's nose several times, when they weren't trying to down a no-damage GA-equipped Urgot. I don't get it.


Who else are they supposed to focus? Sona and TF stay back doing only poke, Shyv is unkillable because dragon form + shit tons of HP, and Lee Sin can just jump to his team. I do feel that CLG got baited a few times by urgot ulting into the 5 of them though.

They should've focused shyv over urgot at least. Shyv is right there not gonna kite you, does a shit ton of damage, and honestly, even though she's tanky she can still die to focused burst really easily with ignite on her.
daSilvaz
Profile Joined June 2011
809 Posts
January 31 2012 19:39 GMT
#596
Also not having a decent iniciate while other team has tons of stuns and knockbacks and whatnot really hurt them.
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 19:55:46
January 31 2012 19:41 GMT
#597
M5 vs CLG.eu Game 3

Bans:

Ryze Anivia Shyvana Alistar Morgana Soraka

Picks:

Sivir Lee Sin Sona Taric Maokai Kennen Gangplank Riven Cassiopeia Karthus
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 31 2012 19:42 GMT
#598
On February 01 2012 04:39 daSilvaz wrote:
Also not having a decent iniciate while other team has tons of stuns and knockbacks and whatnot really hurt them.

They've got rammus and ahri charm and janna nado. Not bad, really.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 31 2012 19:42 GMT
#599
m5's poke ability was also a huge factor. The damage CLG incurred before that critical dragon fight wasn't as bad as what happened to m5 the game before, but it was still significant. It showed up again later when m5 was pushing with baron. All 5 of m5's picks had some form of poke, with TF and Urgot being especially nasty. It really made defending against their pushes painful at best.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
January 31 2012 19:43 GMT
#600
TEAMLIQUID SHOUTOUT~! <3
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
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