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Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
December 20 2013 01:42 GMT
#41
Lucifron's HotS career died the moment the Hellbat was nerfed. A lot of his victories (especially in ATC) relied on dropping that unit on enemy mineral lines.

As for VortiX, he was a bona fide patchzerg who has not yet managed to secure another big breakout performance.

User was temp banned for this post.
rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
December 20 2013 03:02 GMT
#42
On December 20 2013 07:36 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 07:29 DinoMight wrote:
I think the more Koreans that join foreign teams, the more foreigners will get to practice with Koreans and improve their skill. Like I've said before, Koreans are not born with StarCraft 2 skills...

Good pickup for Mousesports. Also it will be nice to see Dear at more foreign events now.


Koreans in foreigner teams = practice for foreigners is a myth.
Stop saying that. Both the Koreans and the foreigners do 99% of their practice time on ladder.


Everyone has the impression that Koreans joining foreign teams means better practice partners for foreigners, but that's not always the case. Liquid for example, does not have a team house and none of the players have lived together since oGs-TL and EG-TL houses. Of course there was a time when Jinro, HerO, and TLO got a house together in Korea, but can you really count that as a gaming house?

Of course we can't really say how much practicing goes on behind the scenes when the pros aren't streaming and tweeting. You never know!
@ranleee /// "first we expand, then we defense it'
Baadbeat
Profile Joined June 2011
France203 Posts
December 20 2013 03:21 GMT
#43
I think it was time for mouz to sign a Korean player if they want to come back as a top foreign team. And acquiring Dear is a great way to boost your way up to that.
But I don't think that acquiring Dear will help the players from mouz nor the foreign scene unless mouz builds a team house in Europe and that Dear comes to practice in Europe on the EU ladder. But that could also cause Dear's level to decrease in the long run…
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 04:51:34
December 20 2013 04:41 GMT
#44
On December 20 2013 07:36 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 07:29 DinoMight wrote:
I think the more Koreans that join foreign teams, the more foreigners will get to practice with Koreans and improve their skill. Like I've said before, Koreans are not born with StarCraft 2 skills...

Good pickup for Mousesports. Also it will be nice to see Dear at more foreign events now.


Koreans in foreigner teams = practice for foreigners is a myth.
Stop saying that. Both the Koreans and the foreigners do 99% of their practice time on ladder.


If that's true then no one practices more than 5 hours a day, and almost everyone practices under 4.

edit:

http://www.sc2ranks.com/ and sort by wins. It takes around 4-5 hours to play 20 games, and the season started around 40 days ago.

Notice that everyone has under 800 games played, and the majority of players have much less than that. The GM average seems to be under 400 games, which is around 10 ladder games a day.

So either progamers play lots of customs, or they practice much, much less than 8 hours a day.
fmright
Profile Joined December 2013
1 Post
December 20 2013 06:33 GMT
#45
--- Nuked ---
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
December 20 2013 07:44 GMT
#46
On December 20 2013 08:27 Chaggi wrote:
Dear's my favorite Protoss player so watching him in foreign tournaments will be great. I hope to see more Jaedong, Innovation and Dear at those tournaments, battling it out. Should be great to watch in 2014


Yup. I watch SC2 like I watch basketball. I watch WCS Korea for the NBA-style best of the best against each other. I watch foreign tournaments for the same reason I watch the US national team, to see one dominant country beat the crap out of hapless foreigners.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
December 20 2013 08:05 GMT
#47
On December 20 2013 13:41 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 07:36 Noocta wrote:
On December 20 2013 07:29 DinoMight wrote:
I think the more Koreans that join foreign teams, the more foreigners will get to practice with Koreans and improve their skill. Like I've said before, Koreans are not born with StarCraft 2 skills...

Good pickup for Mousesports. Also it will be nice to see Dear at more foreign events now.


Koreans in foreigner teams = practice for foreigners is a myth.
Stop saying that. Both the Koreans and the foreigners do 99% of their practice time on ladder.


If that's true then no one practices more than 5 hours a day, and almost everyone practices under 4.

edit:

http://www.sc2ranks.com/ and sort by wins. It takes around 4-5 hours to play 20 games, and the season started around 40 days ago.

Notice that everyone has under 800 games played, and the majority of players have much less than that. The GM average seems to be under 400 games, which is around 10 ladder games a day.

So either progamers play lots of customs, or they practice much, much less than 8 hours a day.


Citation needed
Nightwishone
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy391 Posts
December 20 2013 08:35 GMT
#48
Wow, that's unexpected! But still, foreign teams seem to have the upper hand when it comes to stability lately.
TaeJa IS a bonjwa. TLO - Scarlett - Snute - MaNa - HerO - TeamLiquid fighting!
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 09:13:00
December 20 2013 09:11 GMT
#49
On December 20 2013 17:05 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 13:41 Cheren wrote:
On December 20 2013 07:36 Noocta wrote:
On December 20 2013 07:29 DinoMight wrote:
I think the more Koreans that join foreign teams, the more foreigners will get to practice with Koreans and improve their skill. Like I've said before, Koreans are not born with StarCraft 2 skills...

Good pickup for Mousesports. Also it will be nice to see Dear at more foreign events now.


Koreans in foreigner teams = practice for foreigners is a myth.
Stop saying that. Both the Koreans and the foreigners do 99% of their practice time on ladder.


If that's true then no one practices more than 5 hours a day, and almost everyone practices under 4.

edit:

http://www.sc2ranks.com/ and sort by wins. It takes around 4-5 hours to play 20 games, and the season started around 40 days ago.

Notice that everyone has under 800 games played, and the majority of players have much less than that. The GM average seems to be under 400 games, which is around 10 ladder games a day.

So either progamers play lots of customs, or they practice much, much less than 8 hours a day.


Citation needed


sc2gears multi-rep analysis shows average game is 12-15 minutes real time. even if people play really long games it would be like a 20 minute real time average, which still puts 800 games a season (which no one in top GM has) at well under 8 hours a day of practice.

Thanks for your useless comment, by the way.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
December 20 2013 09:20 GMT
#50
On December 20 2013 07:36 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 07:29 DinoMight wrote:
I think the more Koreans that join foreign teams, the more foreigners will get to practice with Koreans and improve their skill. Like I've said before, Koreans are not born with StarCraft 2 skills...

Good pickup for Mousesports. Also it will be nice to see Dear at more foreign events now.


Koreans in foreigner teams = practice for foreigners is a myth.
Stop saying that. Both the Koreans and the foreigners do 99% of their practice time on ladder.


what ? i know like as example cj make 95% inhouse training so why you say such bs ?
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 09:35:22
December 20 2013 09:33 GMT
#51
On December 20 2013 08:30 goswser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 08:27 Chaggi wrote:
Dear's my favorite Protoss player so watching him in foreign tournaments will be great. I hope to see more Jaedong, Innovation and Dear at those tournaments, battling it out. Should be great to watch in 2014

Don't worry then, you'll get that in 2014. At EVERY tournament in 2014. RIP foreign sc2.

ESF teams stepped their game up when Kespa entered the picture why do you have to roll over and die without putting up a fight?
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
December 20 2013 09:39 GMT
#52
The fall of LucifroN

Results for es LucifroN after 2013-11-10.

Games: 5.560% (1-17)
Matches: 0.000% (0-8)

Current Form:
      L L L L L L L L
Recent Matches:
       es LucifroN 1 – 2 kr TheStC
       es LucifroN 0 – 3 kr jjakji
       es LucifroN 0 – 3 fi elfi
       es LucifroN 0 – 2 se NaNiwa
       es LucifroN 0 – 2 kr Patience
       es LucifroN 0 – 2 de TLO
       es LucifroN 0 – 2 kr HyuN
       es LucifroN 0 – 1 kr Alicia


Filters:
+ Show Spoiler +
Opponent Race:    all
Opponent Country: all
Match Format: all
On/offline: both
Game Version: all

Stats by Aligulac. Link.

[image loading]
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
December 20 2013 09:44 GMT
#53
On December 20 2013 18:39 Grovbolle wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
The fall of LucifroN

Results for es LucifroN after 2013-11-10.

Games: 5.560% (1-17)
Matches: 0.000% (0-8)

Current Form:
      L L L L L L L L
Recent Matches:
       es LucifroN 1 – 2 kr TheStC
       es LucifroN 0 – 3 kr jjakji
       es LucifroN 0 – 3 fi elfi
       es LucifroN 0 – 2 se NaNiwa
       es LucifroN 0 – 2 kr Patience
       es LucifroN 0 – 2 de TLO
       es LucifroN 0 – 2 kr HyuN
       es LucifroN 0 – 1 kr Alicia


Filters:
+ Show Spoiler +
Opponent Race:    all
Opponent Country: all
Match Format: all
On/offline: both
Game Version: all

Stats by Aligulac. Link.

[image loading]

Oooh, that's the greatest free-fall I've seen on Aligulac. Just amazing, it's almost completely vertical, as almost all the games are 0-X losses in an offline environment.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
December 20 2013 10:03 GMT
#54
Is he still in school? That might explain the decline in form as of late.
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
December 20 2013 10:04 GMT
#55
On December 20 2013 19:03 Talin wrote:
Is he still in school? That might explain the decline in form as of late.

He had Lasik surgery and I dont think he has really recovered yet.
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
December 20 2013 10:05 GMT
#56
Hell yeah! First Acer got MMA,INnoVation and now MousDear! Europe ftw! :D
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 10:07:47
December 20 2013 10:05 GMT
#57
On December 20 2013 18:11 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 17:05 JustPassingBy wrote:
On December 20 2013 13:41 Cheren wrote:
On December 20 2013 07:36 Noocta wrote:
On December 20 2013 07:29 DinoMight wrote:
I think the more Koreans that join foreign teams, the more foreigners will get to practice with Koreans and improve their skill. Like I've said before, Koreans are not born with StarCraft 2 skills...

Good pickup for Mousesports. Also it will be nice to see Dear at more foreign events now.


Koreans in foreigner teams = practice for foreigners is a myth.
Stop saying that. Both the Koreans and the foreigners do 99% of their practice time on ladder.


If that's true then no one practices more than 5 hours a day, and almost everyone practices under 4.

edit:

http://www.sc2ranks.com/ and sort by wins. It takes around 4-5 hours to play 20 games, and the season started around 40 days ago.

Notice that everyone has under 800 games played, and the majority of players have much less than that. The GM average seems to be under 400 games, which is around 10 ladder games a day.

So either progamers play lots of customs, or they practice much, much less than 8 hours a day.


Citation needed


sc2gears multi-rep analysis shows average game is 12-15 minutes real time. even if people play really long games it would be like a 20 minute real time average, which still puts 800 games a season (which no one in top GM has) at well under 8 hours a day of practice.

Thanks for your useless comment, by the way.


I won't even begin to discuss why a call for a source backing up a claim isn't a useless comment...

Talking about Lucifron / Vortix, are there any semi-big big tournaments in Spain apart from what ESL and DH organize from time to time? Liquipedia only lists LVP, but the last tournament in that series concludes over half a year ago.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
December 20 2013 10:27 GMT
#58
On December 20 2013 18:44 Kasaraki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 18:39 Grovbolle wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
The fall of LucifroN

Results for es LucifroN after 2013-11-10.

Games: 5.560% (1-17)
Matches: 0.000% (0-8)

Current Form:
      L L L L L L L L
Recent Matches:
       es LucifroN 1 – 2 kr TheStC
       es LucifroN 0 – 3 kr jjakji
       es LucifroN 0 – 3 fi elfi
       es LucifroN 0 – 2 se NaNiwa
       es LucifroN 0 – 2 kr Patience
       es LucifroN 0 – 2 de TLO
       es LucifroN 0 – 2 kr HyuN
       es LucifroN 0 – 1 kr Alicia


Filters:
+ Show Spoiler +
Opponent Race:    all
Opponent Country: all
Match Format: all
On/offline: both
Game Version: all

Stats by Aligulac. Link.

[image loading]

Oooh, that's the greatest free-fall I've seen on Aligulac. Just amazing, it's almost completely vertical, as almost all the games are 0-X losses in an offline environment.

-391 in one period. That hurt him :D
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
RayBeans
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany331 Posts
December 20 2013 11:43 GMT
#59
It is a great pick up but i don't except that Dear will train much with his new teammates. I sure hope they will do, or they will at least talk about strategy and exchange buildorders, but the language barrier is quite high, especially when Dear just about now starts to learn english. but we will see what the future holds, nevertheless a great pick up for mouz which hopefully will pay off.
eSports with friends & HSV esports e.V. - Hamburg!
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
December 20 2013 12:43 GMT
#60
I heard that Lucifron will retire end of month. MaNa will be kicked as well (that why XMG.MaNa soon). Mouz will recrute more korean players now.
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