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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 20 2013 21:43 Faust852 wrote: I heard that Lucifron will retire end of month. MaNa will be kicked as well (that why XMG.MaNa soon). Mouz will recrute more korean players now. Uh, okay. You "heard"? | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
If you don't trust me it's ok. We'll see at the end of the month but i'm pretty sure my source are ok. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
On December 20 2013 21:50 Faust852 wrote: If you don't trust me it's ok. We'll see at the end of the month but i'm pretty sure my source are ok. If you are right, then that would be real sad  if they kept their current foreigner lineup + Dear, i mean that would easily (if not already) make them a top4 teams with Liquid, EG and AcerBut if they get more koreans then they would still be it | ||
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Surth
Germany456 Posts
Quietly hidden amidst all of WCS system changes, player retirements, Jaedong silvers, and other storylines of 2013 was the decline of mousesports. Having been a part of the big-three of international teams alongside Evil Geniuses and Team Liquid since the beginning of StarCraft 2, 2013 I know that historical revisionism has resulted in "Teamliquid/Evilgeniuses" as being seen as the great big foreigner clash and all, but can we talk about the fact that Dignitas, with Naniwa/Select/Show actually was a pretty scary team for a while? It irks me. :/ | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On December 20 2013 18:39 Grovbolle wrote: The fall of LucifroN Results for   LucifroN after 2013-11-10.Games: 5.560% (1-17) Matches: 0.000% (0-8) Current Form: L L L L L L L L Recent Matches: LucifroN 1 – 2  TheStC LucifroN 0 – 3 jjakji LucifroN 0 – 3   elfi LucifroN 0 – 2  NaNiwa LucifroN 0 – 2 Patience LucifroN 0 – 2   TLO LucifroN 0 – 2 HyuN LucifroN 0 – 1 AliciaFilters: + Show Spoiler + Opponent Race: all Stats by Aligulac. Link. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5QXfRc2.png) Lucifron was always 90% hype and 10% results anyway. His results have never been anything to give much of a shit about, even at his absolute peak he was a top 5 foreigner at best and even that's pretty debatable. Vortix was probably the best patch Zerg, he wasnt a bad player like JohnnyRecco but he looked far better than he ever was because of how imbalanced Zerg was at that time. User was warned for this post | ||
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Soohyung
Korea (South)116 Posts
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On December 21 2013 08:40 Soohyung wrote: Good luck to Dear though I don't really see mousesports as a fitting team for him. I understand that a lot of Koreans would like to play on foreigner teams but I just can't see how Dear fits into mouse. I agree -.- STX died... Bogus to MMAs team? Yey! Trap to IM? Yey! Dear to mouz? Eh? :S | ||
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artcoder
Germany11 Posts
Hasu and HeroMarine + Vortix imho can definitly compete on korean level, but top 4 is all they could achieve. And we see with awsome players like TLO that, although very good, foreigner can't bring up the consistency required | ||
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artcoder
Germany11 Posts
On December 21 2013 08:40 Soohyung wrote: Good luck to Dear though I don't really see mousesports as a fitting team for him. I understand that a lot of Koreans would like to play on foreigner teams but I just can't see how Dear fits into mouse. why is that? I think he will fit into mouz like he would into any other foreigner team. looking forward to it | ||
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Champi
1422 Posts
Huge news, grats to both parties. im looking forward to english interviews from Dear in 2014  | ||
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JKM
Denmark419 Posts
Good pick Mousesport, just don't make it a habit to pick up koreans! | ||
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cheerful
78 Posts
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Walnuts
United States770 Posts
On December 22 2013 08:27 JKM wrote: That is a nice and understanding signing, as the opportunity showed itself! They managed to be one map-win away from top 4 in ATC season 2. This will bring more power to Mouz in team leagues, but I don't think it will make them contenders to win leagues, unless if we see the Duran brothers hit their late 2012-early 2013 stride again. Good pick Mousesport, just don't make it a habit to pick up koreans! Why would Mouz ever depend on Lucifron and Vortix when they have quite possibly the best protoss in the world playing for them? | ||
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XaMaXaM
Germany113 Posts
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XaMaXaM
Germany113 Posts
On December 20 2013 07:25 phipsL wrote: Heromarine will be the next foreign hope... once he finishes school ... Really I don´t know how "oldschool" you are but just one word XLORD :/On December 21 2013 22:41 artcoder wrote: why is that? I think he will fit into mouz like he would into any other foreigner team. looking forward to it In the end it will be so sad like Mouse and their CS team earlier this year and the CS is still not where Mouse wants/has to be. Seems legit. Why not? | ||
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broodbucket
Australia963 Posts
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Dekoth
United States527 Posts
On December 20 2013 07:45 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: The foreign scene is never going to be competitive again (was it ever?) Koreans will always dominate this game. Well this statement could be completely true, or completely untrue at the same time. Certainly sponsorship has a ton to do with it, but that goes hand in hand with how teams present both themselves and esports. The problem isn't that koreans are naturally better, the problem is they have more infrastructure to identify and nurture talent. Simply put, until foreigner teams model the korean ones in how they operate, then yes on the whole foreigners will never be competitive. The simple fact is, results don't lie. The Korean teams get results because they demand them. I will use an easy sports comparison here. Do you see professional sports players practicing side by side with their farm teams? No you don't. The farm teams are there for nothing more than to foster early talent. Once that talent shows promise, then they get moved to the minor leagues, they continue to grow there and eventually if they get good enough moved to the majors. You see the Korean teams can be compared to the top tier sports leagues. They have the practice facilities, they have the coaches and they have the money because of the previous 2. As a result they work harder and longer and the players there know what is expected of them. This results in consistent performance from any player emerging from this pool. As it currently stands, at BEST the foreigners represent the minor leagues, at worst the farm leagues. Oh sure you might see someone go on a short streak here and there, but the reality is those are simply players who are ready to move up to the next level of training. If they are left there, they will stagnate (as history has proven). The reasoning is simple, the foreigner teams don't know what it takes to continue pushing someone at that level higher. Now of course it is a bit of a catch 22 for the foreigner teams to grow into a top tier team. You see, this all requires money and sponsors aren't willing to part with money unless they see results, or at least they aren't willing to part with it for long. At some point some team has to bite the bullet and make a serious investment in the facilities, coaching and players necessary to capture the kind of attention the korean teams get. Until that happens, foreigners will continue down the current path of getting rolled by the koreans outside the odd "Fluke". I should state that 6-12 months isn't an investment, that is throwing money at something and hoping to get lucky. It is going to take Years of investing and building before results are borne. Any team serious about taking on the machine that is the korean teams, realistically should plan on operating at a loss for 3-5 years minimum. There will be quite a bit of attrition in players. Most who think they have what it takes to be the best, simply don't. Why do you think so few foreigners last over in korea when they go over there? It is an incredible commitment to be the absolute best and talent alone doesn't cut it. The best sports players in the world are so because they spend more time "Productively" practicing than anyone else. | ||
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tomastaz
United States976 Posts
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EFBarbarossa
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