EPTmousesports in Choosing Your Identity - Page 2
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wrier
Canada291 Posts
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
On December 20 2013 08:10 wrier wrote: Lucifron never got a top 4 in WCS EU. He lost the 5th place spot to the season 1 finals to TLO. Top eight finishes were all that Lucifron could manage, whereas his brother did slightly better with a top four finish in WCS Europe I dont see whats wrong Edit: T_T | ||
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
On December 20 2013 07:44 JustPassingBy wrote: I had always hoped the mouz would be the one to help the foreign scene to become competitive again funded by local sponsors because of their dominance in the local scene (like in Germany and Spain, though the latter scene is still very small), so much for my hopes.  Oh well, I still wish you all well in your future way and I hope it will work out as you planned, mouz. I don't think that "only foreigners/no Koreans" was ever there dogma. It's something that happened along the way. They weren't willing to put that much money out for top transfers and they were knowledgeable enough not to sign random Koreans just to depart with them six months later with nothing notable achieved during that time. I don't think it will change much for the rest of the squad. VortiX, LucifroN and HeroMarine seem to prefer ladder anyways and Dear will want to concentrate on Korea. The Germans will still want to play EPS and the Spaniards do their thing (something between mediocre results to being Top foreigners). I don't think mouz will start ignoring oppurtunities to sign foreign talents (besides budget considerations) but it's not like European talent is sprouting everywhere. | ||
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Bowzar
Sweden741 Posts
On December 20 2013 08:03 Ammanas wrote: I shall repeat myself: Which is exactly what is wrong with the foreign Starcraft scene and I would also (at least partially) blame it for foreigners being unable to match Koreans. But they had to win to get there. Idra used to be really good, Puma won a shitton of foreign tournaments and of course the infamous poach of the best foreigner from the most popular team. Winning might not be that important anymore for EG but there is a reason why they picked up Puma and so many other teams picked up skilled Koreans and it sure as hell aint for marketing purposes. | ||
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
It's game over now, whatever is going on Acer will send Innovation, EG - Jeadong, TL - Teaja and now mouz with Dear. And if that's not enought Pol, Hyun and Stardust will come and join the fight. I like all these guys, but somehow the way things are now make the competition less exciting. | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
Given the brothers' past success and high regard in Europe, few were surprised to see them become the newest players to don the crimson Either my memory is acting up or you are fiddling with history, Wax. | ||
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goswser
United States3519 Posts
On December 20 2013 08:27 Chaggi wrote: Dear's my favorite Protoss player so watching him in foreign tournaments will be great. I hope to see more Jaedong, Innovation and Dear at those tournaments, battling it out. Should be great to watch in 2014 Don't worry then, you'll get that in 2014. At EVERY tournament in 2014. RIP foreign sc2. | ||
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Purce
Italy31 Posts
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gade1123
United States144 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On December 20 2013 08:30 goswser wrote: Don't worry then, you'll get that in 2014. At EVERY tournament in 2014. RIP foreign sc2. is this an american zerg player thing? where is this whining and bitching really gonna get you? maybe it would be a better idea to practice or watch VODs or something. or you could find a more reliable way of earning money if you're really that worried. it's also a bit of an overreaction to say "RIP foreign sc2" because one player was signed to one team. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On December 20 2013 08:29 AlternativeEgo wrote: Either my memory is acting up or you are fiddling with history, Wax. I remember the signing of luci and vortix to be quite suprising too, seeing how they declined so many offers from other teams in the past. That said, they did fit well within the mouz team. Also, big fan of this signing. All teams, korean and foreign, competing for the best players is a good thing for the scene and the players. Acer signed the robot on results, Mouz is signing Dear on results. Other teams should take notice and start doing the same instead of retaining or recruiting solely based on marketability and fanbase. On December 20 2013 08:30 goswser wrote: Don't worry then, you'll get that in 2014. At EVERY tournament in 2014. RIP foreign sc2. EU/NA players with even a modicum of success or potential get contracts the average korean pro can only dream of. How about they actually step up their game? Plenty of foreigners have shown good progression, it's just that for all the 'pro's' we have only a very small number of them are truly dedicated. Instead of getting the practice they need in a korean setting all that happens is EU/NA players staying in their own house, playing ladder and streaming. There's no effort (at least not visible) to professionalize, to emulate the system that works. If the koreans show us anything, its that you actually have to live the game 24/7 to be great at it, which is a sacrifice few western players seem willing to make. That's probably a good choice to make, but you can't have it both ways and at this point, foreign players (and teams) have noone but themselves to blame. | ||
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On December 20 2013 08:16 SinCitta wrote: I don't think that "only foreigners/no Koreans" was ever there dogma. It's something that happened along the way. They weren't willing to put that much money out for top transfers and they were knowledgeable enough not to sign random Koreans just to depart with them six months later with nothing notable achieved during that time. I don't think it will change much for the rest of the squad. VortiX, LucifroN and HeroMarine seem to prefer ladder anyways and Dear will want to concentrate on Korea. The Germans will still want to play EPS and the Spaniards do their thing (something between mediocre results to being Top foreigners). I don't think mouz will start ignoring oppurtunities to sign foreign talents (besides budget considerations) but it's not like European talent is sprouting everywhere. Meh, I never claimed that his was supposed to be their dogma, it's just how I viewed them. As I said, I respect their choice, but I had hoped for them to use their funds to support up and coming players, even with the low chance of success, similar to how they did with Heromarine and Hasuobs (though this was a long time ago in a different game). And you can help talent to spout by creating the right environment, it's what Korean teams have been doing since the dawn of (eSport) time with their team houses. | ||
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Chigge
129 Posts
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
On December 20 2013 09:03 JustPassingBy wrote: Meh, I never claimed that his was supposed to be their dogma, it's just how I viewed them. Yeah, was just trying to bring the discussion forward. On December 20 2013 09:03 JustPassingBy wrote: And you can help talent to spout by creating the right environment, it's what Korean teams have been doing since the dawn of (eSport) time with their team houses. That's correct, but to be frank that's not something that Europeans teams (can) do (on their own). Edit: What they did with Hasu or HeroMarine they still can do even with very, very small budget left. | ||
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pmp10
3316 Posts
Mouz in sacrificing their foreigners-only image is gambling that Dear won't become another Seed. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On December 20 2013 09:21 SinCitta wrote: Yeah, was just trying to bring the discussion forward. That's correct, but to be frank that's not something that Europeans teams (can) do (on their own). Well, I certainly won't start claiming that I know what team can and cannot do. It's just... I don't even see them (the big teams) trying... I really hope that I'm just too fucking blind and that somebody can correct me on this one... | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
I always liked that mouz was a haven for foreign juggernauts, but none of their old world class players look as good as they did in Wings | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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