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On August 27 2012 20:30 bITt.mAN wrote:Basically, more than being some cryptic rule book that has no relevance to today, with proper investigation the Bible has a lot of really real, timeless, sound teaching on lots of human-nature-problems. Love is a big one. There's no way to bridge the topic adequately without quoting the most popular exposition on 'what is love' baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more1 Corinthians 13, very famous (e.g. weddings) Show nested quote +4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
I would be inadequately prepared to present this verse, but that’s fine, cause as it happens the subject of the teaching at my Church [yes, I did say Church, don’t panic, it’s actually quite coherent and rational] has been on ‘Love’, and this passage was the subject of this Sunday’s sermon. Here’s a synopsis: Click to hear the most recent one “But the Greatest of These is Love”, or even previous ones in the seriesLast Week's Sermon+ Show Spoiler [My Summary of His Sermon] +" Because of the grandeur of its language, this passage is widely recognized as really great literature. So it’s often read, completely out of context, at weddings and at memorial services - such as at the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales, by the then Prime Minister Tony Blair. Barack Obama also referenced it in his 2009 inaugural address to the nation, quoting the words “ When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me” (v11). When it’s read outside of its context it offers lofty sentiment with a Christian feel, but without making any overt Christian statement. So it can sound highly noble and inspirational. But it generally remains simply as words out of context and nothing more." “In the secular realm [dat’s us, on TL, in modern society etc.] there is probably no topic that has been written about more than love [girl blogs?]. It’s inspired some of the world’s best music and best poetry – as well as some of its worst. But to get to the love which ‘remains’, as distinct from that which sooner or later passes away, this comes alone from the revelation which only God can give.” He summarizes C.S.Lewis’ classic “The Four Loves”, where Lewis (Mr. Narnia) goes through and examines ‘the 4 different Greek words for “love” in the New Testament. These each portray different nuances and sides of ‘love’: - Storge, affection, parent<->Child
- eros physical, sexual love
- phileo companionship or friendship.
- agapeeverlasting, ultimate top-down love, God<->his creation
“But the choice-centred love agape speaks of is not passing in nature, but ‘remains’. It’s not variable. It doesn’t degenerate with the passing of time. It doesn’t have to be re-worked as time goes on. It simply ‘remains’ because it is centred in eternity.” “It “always protects. It always trusts. It always hopes. It always perseveres” Such love is just not possible out of purely human strength: sooner or later we run out of human resource for such love. It’s only made possible by the realization of the continuing extent of God’s love for us, clearing up our mess day after day, bearing everything we throw at Him, still affirming us as His child and ministering His identity to us. It’s only as we have the continuing revelation of His abiding love to us, which we then choose to remain in, that we can look to love others with love which always protects, always trusts, always hopes and always perseveres.” In conclusion, you can summarize love: - is silence when your words would hurt
- is patience when your neighbour’s curt
- is deafness when the scandal flows
- is thoughtfulness for another’s woes
- is promptness when stern duty calls
- is courage when misfortune falls
I should do OPs too /:
If people can have their entire post taken up by one video then I'm just going to say, great post.
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Another thing I'd like to add in contrast to all the talk about love as a feeling;
I honestly believe you can love someone who you dislike and personally find boring, annoying, repulsive, mean etc.
However, of course it would be quite unwise to go into an intimite relationship with such a person. But I still think love has nothing to do with how you feel but rather with what you actually do, how you treat the other person and so on.
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Everyone's definitions of Love is seriously cracking me up... 
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Love is a conscientious choice to make someone else more important than yourself in your life.
In my experience, some people are easier to love than others.
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On August 27 2012 21:24 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 19:57 Saaph wrote:
Yes, love is an illusion. It is only instinctively caused by chemical reactions inside your brain. All of this to achieve one sole goal: to plant your seed, transmit your genetic material in order for our specie to continue harboring the soil of this world for as long as it can.
In reality, love is an abstraction developped within our societies to mask one thing: we're still slaves to instincts. the Man's cognitive abilites just packaged it a bit so that it's easier to accept. Saying that love is chemicals and is a physical reaction is the exact opposite of saying that love is an illusion.
My bad I should have used the term construct.
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On August 27 2012 19:55 ShadeR wrote:
Person in the world who irritates you the least.
My girlfriend irritates me the most 
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Makes sense. It's always strange to see someone from North Korea.
Like I'm always afraid that the person that I am infatuated over now won't be someone I am as happy with in a few years time.
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On August 27 2012 17:36 FallenStar wrote:
What kind of love are you talking about? The romantic one? Because the romantic one is really an ilusion, and it lasts, at most, for 4 years. Evolution gave it us to have a couple, be in real love to have kids, help her at the first years, and then go find another one.
But there's another kind of love, don't know how to call it, which is not so "I'll die for you", but it's still enjoyable and lasts longer. I haven't read too much scientific stuff about it, but it's not an illusion and it's why some relations last forever. I think this another kind of love is just the same romantic love but between another kind of people. Ordinary people are just not capable to love THAT much. Think of it: I'll die for you. How much not selfish, caring and responsible the person has to be to be able to do that? I'm pretty sure it comes down to personal qualities instead of some other type of love. And btw I'm quite ordinary in that respect.
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I feel that love is something which is expected of you by society. But idk people say weird stuff about 'love' which I've never experienced. Only ever experienced lust XD
On August 27 2012 20:10 SoSexy wrote:
then in april I did one of the craziest things of my life: I took my car and drove to her in one day (1800 km, from Italy to southern Spain: I left at 6 am and arrived at 23 pm) and we rent a house together where we lived for two months, then we returned back by car together.
Lol that's pretty cute XD
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love is different to everyone.
Personally for me, love is ever growing and changing. So maybe his concept I can relate to, but physical attraction is much less of an importance for me.
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Love is waking up in the morning next to someone and immediately you feel satisfied with your life.
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LOVE IS NOT ALL
Love is not all: it is not meat nor drink
Nor slumber nor a roof against the rain;
Nor yet a floating spar to men that sink
And rise and sink and rise and sink again;
Love can not fill the thickened lung with breath,
Nor clean the blood, nor set the fractured bone;
Yet many a man is making friends with death
Even as I speak, for lack of love alone.
It well may be that in a difficult hour,
Pinned down by pain and moaning for release,
Or nagged by want past resolution's power,
I might be driven to sell your love for peace,
Or trade the memory of this night for food.
It well may be. I do not think I would.
Edna St. Vincent Millayll.
On August 27 2012 22:07 obesechicken13 wrote:
Makes sense. It's always strange to see someone from North Korea.
Like I'm always afraid that the person that I am infatuated over now won't be someone I am as happy with in a few years time.
He sounds Brit to me
through and through
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On August 27 2012 21:41 ghost_403 wrote:
Love is a conscientious choice to make someone else more important than yourself in your life.
In my experience, some people are easier to love than others.
That seems about right. Does overlap with friendship though.
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On August 27 2012 19:55 ShadeR wrote:
Person in the world who irritates you the least.
Couldn't have said it better myself. The line I usually use is, "You have to be able to deal with all their crap."
On August 27 2012 21:41 ghost_403 wrote:
Love is a conscientious choice to make someone else more important than yourself in your life.
In my experience, some people are easier to love than others.
I don't really agree with that because we all have egos and part of being human is being selfish at the same time.
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I always thought true love is that thing that you see in 30+ years old couples where they like having sex and sharing saliva for a little to long, thought it would be like that "forever" got married and now have a mix of "Stockholm syndrome" and in depth knowledge of each other and thus are to unmotivated( and likely to unattractive/sexually active ) to find another partner.
Romance is what you had with the original World of Warcraft... so many imperfections and so many wrongs, so time consuming and so broken but still you played it more than any other game since there was no game that could match in its "gender".
True love is when you buy the panda expansion and raid for 3 nights a week, 2 and half hours a night cuz... meh, i can't be bothered to find another games, I am to used to Wow to quit wow.
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Just noticed the video has not been posted, it has to be posted imo... its like a requirement considering the thread title
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as an engineering student, the only love we will get in these years is with your calculus textbook or another guy :trollface:
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Let me tell you 1 thing I learned about love and from all the cases I've seen..
It takes HARD work and alot of effort to maintain and to last...
And this is if the BEST CASE SCENARIO involves both people being relatively faithful, respective and generally just a good human being and not a trash douche.
Few will make it through a long relationship without breaking up. This is fact.. Why? Because love takes so much energy and hard work to balance out the differences of each individual.
The cornerstones of any lasting relationship is comprised of different elements:
Humour
Trust
Respect
Empathy and Tenderness
Compassion
Comfort
Integrity
Self-reliance
Willpower
And so on ...
Love is an illusion if you make it one. Simply. Think about this. The probability that theres a person out there in the world, that fits just for you, is probaly 99 %..... but the probability or chance that you'll ever meet this person given the circumstances of the life and world of 2012? Not so much..
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On August 28 2012 00:40 MasterFischer wrote:
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Love is an illusion if you make it one. Simply. Think about this. The probability that theres a person out there in the world, that fits just for you, is probaly 99 %..... but the probability or chance that you'll ever meet this person given the circumstances of the life and world of 2012? Not so much..
I like this. I think a lot of people make the mistake of assuming that the perfect person is out there, and that everything's going to magically work out when they find that person. That person doesn't exist. You find the person that's the easiest to love, and you make adjustments and sacrifices to show them that you love them. Love is hard.
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Naive as a youth and disillusioned as a man. Not everybody is like your professor. Love is no more clear set than any of the other things we arbitrarily assign boundaries to. Maybe it's fair to say that it doesn't exist; as far as I'm concerned it's just a mess of emotions, memories, associations etc. All I can say is that for me it exists in a form and to an extent that I'm satisfied with.
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I thought I might contribute to this wonderful thread.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world,that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Galatians 5:13
For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
1 Corinthians 13:4-8
Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.
Go and enjoy love, brother.
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